Mr. JENNER. In conversations with the De Mohrenschildts?----

Mrs. VOSHININ. Uh-huh.

Mr. JENNER. They related to you their views as to Oswald's political

inclinations?

Mrs. VOSHININ. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. What did they say and who said it--which of them?

Mrs. VOSHININ. First of all, we did not discuss it. It was rather

remarks on George's side--because we asked George definitely and Jeanne

not to bring him to our house and not to invite us when the Oswalds

are there because we had certain reasons--not evidence--but reasons to

believe that he might be a Soviet agent. Might be, you know. But not

sure at all whether he would be or not.

Mr. JENNER. Since there was in your mind a possibility, you didn't want

to have anything to do with them?

Mrs. VOSHININ. We wanted to stay away from them. Yes. And the De

Mohrenschildts argued with us about that. George would say always that

he was a very mild person, that he wouldn't hurt a fly. And, then,

later--that was at the beginning--that was at the very beginning--and

then later, somehow, I believe George started seeing through Oswald a

little bit. That's my own opinion--impression.

Mr. JENNER. Well, you go ahead and talk.

Mrs. VOSHININ. Because he told me on several occasions that, "You know,

I believe that he's just an idealistical Marxist." And he said, "You

know, he's one of those pure Marxists." You know, meaning a Marxist in

theory but not in practice.

And finally I remember a pretty good conversation--George mentioned the

possibility of Oswald being actually a Communist. Because, he said, you

know Natalie, I believed that he remained what he was."

And I remember definitely that conversation because Jeanne took George

right away and she was protesting vigorously against that statement.

And she said that she does not believe that he is a Communist because

he was very disappointed with Mr. Khrushchev and Russia--and then,

of course, for obvious reasons, that doesn't mean that he is not a

Communist if he is disappointed with Khrushchev and Russia, you know. I

remember that argument--but more than that, I just can't say, because I

just don't remember that far away the conversations. But we got, again,

you know--the picture was sort of shaping up about Oswald.

Mr. JENNER. You tell us in your own words what picture was shaping up

about Oswald. What did you mean by that?

Mrs. VOSHININ. By that, that we wanted to stay away from him,

definitely for a period. You know, that he was just--that he just was

a dangerous person. For this reason, first of all, Soviets seldom let

anybody in unless they have certain plans for that person--especially a

person of non-Russian descent. Yet they let him live there. Right?

Mr. JENNER. They let him in in the first place?

Mrs. VOSHININ. In the first place. So, they must have had some plans

for him. He stayed there for a length of time. Right? I believe, 2

years.

Mr. JENNER. Yes. He went there in September of 1959 and left

in--oh--the tail end of May or the first part of June 1962.

Mrs. VOSHININ. 1962? So, it's three years. Right?

Mr. JENNER. Uh-huh.

Mrs. VOSHININ. Then, for these 3 years--this is all our own theory, we

have no----

Mr. JENNER. Yes; I know.

Mrs. VOSHININ. You understand?

For these 3 years, he could have got his training? Right? Whatever it

is.

Thirdly, his exit from Russia was so easy. With wife and children--with

child, wife, and with suitcases--no problem there. Which is absolutely

unnatural. Usually, American boys have such trouble getting their

families out of Russia. You probably remember the cases.

And, thirdly, we believed that--we were expecting, rather, to hear

from Oswald publicly some anti-Communist declaration, some, you know,

reports, lectures, or a couple of articles in the newspaper, you know,

we expected from him to behave like a person who got disappointed in

communism, came here sincerely--like people we know. For example,

Eugene Lyons or Captain Khokhlov, you know.

Mr. JENNER. Spell that.

Mrs. VOSHININ. Let me write it (writes out name). So, his behavior

after he came here, from what we heard about his behavior, was

unnatural. He was sulky instead of being very happy that he is back.

Right?

Mr. JENNER. Yes.

Mrs. VOSHININ. According to George, he was a great--he had

great intellectual power; he was very clever person--definitely

intellectually inclined and very well-read person; and that he was--he

couldn't find a job. Now, wouldn't that be natural for an intellectual

person to go get his living lecturing against communism?

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