Mrs. MELLER. But were invited certain Mr. and Mrs. De----

Mr. LIEBELER. De Mohrenschildt?

Mrs. MELLER. De Mohrenschildt, thank you very much, and I heard from

the other people that the De Mohrenschildt's called to Mr. and Mrs.

Ford and asked if he can bring with him people, Marina and Oswald. They

are all lost by themselves, have no place to go or something and he

brought them with.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see Oswald come with De Mohrenschildt?

Mrs. MELLER. I did not see exactly walking in but I heard then that he

brought them there.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see Oswald that night at all?

Mrs. MELLER. Yes; I saw him; he was strange acting and strange looking,

cold, not very talkative. It was a certain Japanese girl, don't know

her name, he was all evening with this girl and Marina was left all

by herself going with one group of people or another and when finally

somebody play with piano, I see her sitting, trying to catch some songs

singing and I saw her try to smile, try to make her face human. I did

not remember seeing her and him together this evening. He was all time

with different girl which we met first time and I do not recognize her

name.

Mr. LIEBELER. Have you ever seen the Japanese girl since?

Mrs. MELLER. Never saw before or after.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know how we can get her name?

Mrs. MELLER. Do not recall name or anything, sir; I am very sorry. I

would like to help you.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you talk to Oswald that evening?

Mrs. MELLER. Do not remember anything; my memory--don't know.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did Oswald drink at the party at all; did you notice?

Mrs. MELLER. Do not remember seeing him.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know whether Oswald ever drank very much?

Mrs. MELLER. Never saw him drink; do not recall. I saw Marina eating

pretty much; looks like she was real hungry. Some our friends notice

and we had pity for the girl maybe she did not have at home anything to

eat.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see Oswald leave the party?

Mrs. MELLER. Do not recall.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you recall any discussion about Oswald after he left

the party? Did you overhear any conversation about him and Marina?

Mrs. MELLER. No; do not recall; I heard something from the people

talking in a group and it was certain person by the name of, oh, my

goodness, excuse me just a second my husband help me with the name--Lev

Aronson, and I heard later that he talked to Lee Oswald and says that

he is a poor idiot and completely crazy man.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did he tell you why he thought that?

Mrs. MELLER. No; I did not talk to him. I heard that conversation, you

know, going with a group of people and it was just----

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have a party at your house some time following

the party at the Ford residence?

Mrs. MELLER. After Ford party?

Mr. LIEBELER. Yes.

Mrs. MELLER. No.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have an open house on the day following?

Mrs. MELLER. No; you mean 29 of December?

Mr. LIEBELER. Yes; approximately.

Mrs. MELLER. Just a second, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. Or the next day--within a few days following the Ford

party?

Mrs. MELLER. I could not recall really, but if I had, I never had

Oswalds over to my house.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know Charles Edward Harris from Georgetown, Tex.?

Mrs. MELLER. Charles Edward Harris, yes; I met him one time or two.

Mr. LIEBELER. Was he at the Ford party; do you remember?

Mrs. MELLER. I do not think so.

Mr. LIEBELER. Was there any discussion as far as you can recall either

at the Ford party or at your place or anywhere during this period of

time where the question of whether Lee Oswald was a Russian agent was

discussed?

Mrs. MELLER. No.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever discuss that question with anybody?

Mrs. MELLER. No; never.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever hear anybody discuss it?

Mrs. MELLER. No.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did it ever occur to you that Oswald might be an agent of

the Soviet Union?

Mrs. MELLER. Could not say; can be but I cannot say.

Mr. LIEBELER. You do not remember talking about that?

Mrs. MELLER. No; we never talked about that; I remember exactly.

Mr. LIEBELER. Now, have you told us everything that you can remember

about your meetings with Oswald and Marina that you think the

Commission would be interested in; can you think of anything else?

Mrs. MELLER. I am thinking and seems to be that's all.

Mr. LIEBELER. How well do you know De Mohrenschildt?

Mrs. MELLER. How long?

Mr. LIEBELER. Yes.

Mrs. MELLER. Oh, I know him about 6 years, probably; met him very

seldom and we were never friends, real close, never.

Mr. LIEBELER. Was he friendly with Oswald, do you know?

Mrs. MELLER. Try to help, I think was--try to help as much as we

did. He had a car; he took them, I think to Anna Ray house and tried

to bring some of her dresses and things belonging. If he was later

together with Lee Oswald, I do not have any idea.

Mr. LIEBELER. Were you surprised when you heard that Oswald had been

arrested in connection with the assassination?

Mrs. MELLER. I do not--if I say surprised or was shocked when President

Kennedy was assassinated: I was shocked. I was in such sorrow that I

could not explain to you. I do not have enough English words in my

vocabulary to describe what shock it was and later, when I find out

it was Lee Harvey, I was completely shocked. I was completely out of

my place and afraid for what a person, if he really did that, what it

could happen to us. It was terrible shock; I could not explain to you.

We could not believe at first at all.

Mr. LIEBELER. You were very surprised when you heard it was Lee Oswald?

Mrs. MELLER. We could not believe he will do things like that.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember being interviewed by the FBI?

Mrs. MELLER. Yes, sir; three times.

Mr. LIEBELER. Three times?

Mrs. MELLER. Yes, sir--oh, I mean from FBI one time; Secret Service

another time, and third time it was from police. I cannot recall name

but it was three times together.

Mr. LIEBELER. As far as you can remember the FBI only interviewed you

once?

Mrs. MELLER. Yes; once FBI, once Secret Service, and once Dallas group.

Mr. LIEBELER. Was it the Dallas police force?

Mrs. MELLER. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Dallas police officers?

Mrs. MELLER. Yes, yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever form an opinion as to who was responsible

for these marital difficulties the Oswalds were having? Did you think

it was mostly Lee Harvey's fault or did you think it was partly her

fault, or what?

Mrs. MELLER. It was not easy to judge but I think since we do not

know them very close and very long, let's say this way but it seems

to me again that Lee Oswald was not normal because later I heard from

somebody that he beat Marina and he did one time, I think even Marina

told to me that when they moved in apartment the bulb is burned through

and she has to put new lamp in it. He demanded when the master is home

the bathtub supposed to be full with water so he can take bath before

he sit down to eat and one time he come home and it was dark and she

has to put lamp in the room, she did not have time to put water in the

tub and he find tub was without water and he beat her.

Mr. LIEBELER. Marina told you that?

Mrs. MELLER. I think she told me that or somebody from our group; I do

not recall who, but I remember that and I was shocked. I thought that

something must be wrong with man if he is every time running to beat

her.

Mr. LIEBELER. You never saw or talked to either Oswald or Marina at

anytime after the party at the Ford residence around Christmas time,

1962?

Mrs. MELLER. No, never.

Mr. LIEBELER. Is that right?

Mrs. MELLER. No, sir; never and probably passed 1 year and 2 months

since we did not hear or did not know from them anything. When it

happened--when the assassination happened, it passed 12 to 14 months.

Mr. LIEBELER. You did not hear that they had moved from Dallas to New

Orleans and back to Dallas?

Mrs. MELLER. Nothing; not a word, not a telephone call, or nothing. It

was the last time at Ford's family.

Mr. LIEBELER. I don't have any more questions, Mrs. Meller. If you can

think of anything else that you would like to add, just go right ahead.

Mrs. MELLER. Would love if I remember but so far I try to think if I

did not forget anything. I do not think so.

Mr. LIEBELER. Then we shall terminate the deposition at this time. I

want to thank you very much for being so cooperative and coming down

and giving us the testimony you have and the Commission appreciates it

very much. You have been a very good and gracious witness; thank you

very much.

Mrs. MELLER. Thank you very much.

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