Mr. WULF. Right.
Mr. LIEBELER. With respect to the taking of your testimony, and I
understand that he enclosed with his letter copies of the Executive
order and the joint resolution to which I have just referred, as well
as a copy of the rules of procedure relating to the taking of testimony.
Mr. WULF. Correct.
Mr. LIEBELER. You did receive the letter, et cetera?
Mr. WULF. Correct.
Mr. LIEBELER. We want to inquire of you concerning possible knowledge
that you have of Lee Harvey Oswald during the time that he lived in New
Orleans during the period 1954-55. Before we get into the details of
that, however, would you state your full name for the record.
Mr. WULF. My name is William Eugene Wulf. No junior.
Mr. LIEBELER. What is your address?
Mr. WULF. 2107 Annunciation Street, this city.
Mr. LIEBELER. Where and when were you born, Mr. Wulf?
Mr. WULF. I was born in New Orleans, September 22, 1939.
Mr. LIEBELER. Are you presently employed?
Mr. WULF. No. I am a student at Louisiana State University at New
Orleans.
Mr. LIEBELER. What are you majoring in?
Mr. WULF. History.
Mr. LIEBELER. How long have you been attending LSU?
Mr. WULF. Four and a half years. I am a senior at this time.
Mr. LIEBELER. You obtained your primary education and secondary
education here in New Orleans?
Mr. WULF. That is correct.
Mr. LIEBELER. Where did you obtain that education, what schools?
Mr. WULF. My primary education was obtained, up until the seventh
grade, at Redemptorist Grammar School. For high school I attended De
La Salle High School in 1956, and in 1958 and 1959 I attended Cor Jesu
High School in New Orleans and graduated there in 1959.
Mr. LIEBELER. And then from there you went to LSU?
Mr. WULF. LSU, right.
Mr. LIEBELER. Have you been in the Army or any branch of the military
service?
Mr. WULF. No. I am exempted at this time.
Mr. LIEBELER. The Commission has received information to the effect
that you were the President of the New Orleans Amateur Astronomy
Association----
Mr. WULF. That is correct.
Mr. LIEBELER. Sometime during the year 1955. Is that correct?
Mr. WULF. That is correct.
Mr. LIEBELER. What is the New Orleans Amateur Astronomy Association, or
what was it at that time?
Mr. WULF. It was at that time an organization of mainly high school
students in the city, mainly at De La Salle at that time, interested in
astronomy, who owned telescopes, did observation, etc.
Mr. LIEBELER. Is the group still active?
Mr. WULF. No. We are still listed as active in the membership rolls
of the national association, but we are not active due to the fact
that most of the members are out of town, either in the military or in
college.
Mr. LIEBELER. In connection with your activities in the New Orleans
Amateur Astronomy Association, did there ever come a time when you were
contacted by or met a person who you either now believe or know to be
Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. WULF. I believe it was. The one person who could have confirmed
this in my behalf was Mr. McBride, P. E. McBride, who is in Florida at
this time.
Mr. LIEBELER. That is Palmer McBride?
Mr. WULF. Right. But I had met Oswald through McBride. He contacted
me on getting into the Astronomy Club at that time, and it was--I had
originally believed it was 1953, but on recapitulating the time and
all, probably it was September or August in 1955.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember how Oswald got in touch with you?
Mr. WULF. Not exactly. It was either one of two ways. I believe he had
talked to McBride or McBride had talked to him during the time they
were working together at Pfisterer's Dental Laboratory, and I believe
he got in touch with me on the telephone about getting into the group
and I told him--he asked me could he come over to the house one time,
and I believe he soon did. I don't remember the time that elapsed
between what I believe was the phone call and then the actual visit.
Mr. LIEBELER. This fellow that called you and then came over to your
house did work at Pfisterer's Dental Laboratory? Is that correct?
Mr. WULF. Most definitely; yes. That is what gave me reason to
associate Oswald with this particular person.
Mr. LIEBELER. This association was made by you at some time subsequent
to the assassination. Is that correct?
Mr. WULF. Yes; subsequent. I believe it was either the Saturday night
following the assassination or Sunday morning before I got the call
from the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Mr. LIEBELER. You had read in the paper that Lee Oswald had been
employed while living here in New Orleans by Pfisterer's Dental
Laboratory, and then you associated Oswald----
Mr. WULF. No; not actually. I had remembered he had lived in New
Orleans, and then I tended to associate the name too and the picture,
and then I subsequently found out--I confirmed it when I asked the FBI
agent did this particular person at one time work for Pfisterer's, and
he said he believed he did, and that to me confirmed it was the same
person.
Mr. LIEBELER. So you had already associated in your mind the name Lee
Oswald with this fellow that called you, and also the pictures that you
saw in the paper?
Mr. WULF. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. And then as a result of that association, you asked the
FBI whether this man had been employed by Pfisterer's?
Mr. WULF. That is correct. One other thing made me come to the
association, other than--I must stipulate at this time that when I had
met him he spoke of communism and communistic association that he would
like to achieve, and this also aided in this conclusion that I came to.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now how did it come to be, if you know, that the FBI
interviewed you?
Mr. WULF. I have no idea.
Mr. LIEBELER. You did not contact the FBI?
Mr. WULF. No; I did not, because I was not absolutely sure, and it
was a Sunday, either a Saturday night or Sunday, and during the chaos
on the situation, and I believe I was personally affected by it as
everyone else was personally affected by it, and I really did not
think that the little knowledge I had would be important. I was even
surprised that I got your letter from the Commission.
Mr. LIEBELER. The agent that interviewed you didn't indicate in any way
as to how they had been led to you?
Mr. WULF. In no way whatsoever. As far as I know, the only person that
knew that I had met Oswald, and that it was Oswald, was Palmer McBride,
so I concluded that he probably got in touch with the FBI on the
subject, or someone got in touch with them, and then that is how they
got this particular knowledge.
Mr. LIEBELER. When did you first make McBride's acquaintance? Do you
remember?
Mr. WULF. Yes. I will have to clarify that. I can get the records
from the Astronomy Club, but I believe it was 1954--that is a rough
date--probably towards the end, probably--let's see--I am trying to
associate it with the Astronomy Club dates--towards the end of the
school year 1954-55, so that would probably be in--oh, March and April,
around that.
Mr. LIEBELER. Of 1955?
Mr. WULF. Of 1955, yes. It is sketchy. I really cannot say for sure. I
could probably get it from the Astronomy Club's records, but----
Mr. LIEBELER. The occasion of your first meeting was that he came to
join the Astronomy Association----
Mr. WULF. That is correct.
Mr. LIEBELER. With McBride. Did become closely acquainted with McBride
and become a friend of his after that?
Mr. WULF. Oh, yes. I still, up until about 9 months ago kept in contact
with him, and I still know of his whereabouts, and when he comes to the
city I still see him.
Mr. LIEBELER. McBride at that time was working at Pfisterer's Dental
Laboratory? Is that right?
Mr. WULF. Yes, sir. I believe he was a delivery boy or a runner. I
don't know the exact title of his position.
Mr. LIEBELER. Have you ever spoken with McBride about Lee Oswald?
Mr. WULF. Only at the time that--two occasions or possibly three--I
think it was two occasions that I met Oswald, and I got some of
Oswald's beliefs, and I told--McBride had always told me that he
wanted to get into the military service as a career, especially rocket
engineering and rocketry--like we all were nuts on rocketry at the
time--and I told him, I said, "This boy Oswald, if you associated with
him, could be construed as a security risk, and especially if you want
to get into a job position where the information you know could be of a
security nature or of a type that could be of a security risk nature."
Mr. LIEBELER. You told that to McBride some time back in 1955? Is that
correct?
Mr. WULF. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. What led you to make that statement to McBride?
Mr. WULF. I made that statement to McBride after my second meeting
with Oswald when we got into a discussion--I being a history major
and always been interested in history, some way or another we got
around to communism. I think Oswald brought it up, because he was
reading some of my books in my library, and he started expounding
the Communist doctrine and saying that he was highly interested in
communism, that communism was the only way of life for the worker, et
cetera, and then came out with the statement that he was looking for
a Communist cell in town to join but he couldn't find any. He was a
little dismayed at this, and he said that he couldn't find any that
would show any interest in him as a Communist, and subsequently, after
this conversation, my father came in and we were kind of arguing back
and forth about the situation, and my father came in the room, heard
what we were arguing on communism, and that this boy was loud-mouthed,
boisterous, and my father asked him to leave the house and politely put
him out of the house, and that is the last I have seen or spoken with
Oswald.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now you indicated that your argument was rather loud and
boisterous?
Mr. WULF. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did Oswald generally impress you as a loud or boisterous
person?
Mr. WULF. Well, he impressed me as a boy who could get violent over
communism, who, if you did not agree with his belief, he would argue
with you violently over it. This, as you know, was the period right
before he moved, I believe, to Dallas. I did hear that he had moved to
Dallas. I got that from McBride. And he struck me as a very boisterous
boy and very determined in his way about communism.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did he strike you as boisterous in any other respect, or
strongheaded about other things?
Mr. WULF. Generally a strongheaded boy that knew his own mind, thought
he knew his own mind, and would do his own will. He wanted his way, in
other words.