TESTIMONY OF C. DOUGLAS DILLON

The President's Commission met at 12:05 p. m., on September 2, 1964, at

200 Maryland Avenue NE., Washington, D.C.

Present were Chief Justice Earl Warren, Chairman; Senator Richard B.

Russell, Senator John Sherman Cooper, Representative Gerald R. Ford,

Allen W. Dulles, and John J. McCloy, members.

Also present was J. Lee Rankin, general counsel.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Secretary, would you please rise and follow me.

Do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give before this

Commission will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the

truth, so help you God.

Secretary DILLON. I do.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Rankin will conduct the examination, Mr. Secretary.

Secretary DILLON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. RANKIN. Mr. Secretary, will you state your name and residence,

please?

Secretary DILLON. C. Douglas Dillon of Far Hills, N.J., presently

residing in Washington, 2534 Belmont Road, NW.

Mr. RANKIN. Do you have an official position with the Government?

Secretary DILLON. Yes, I do. I am the Secretary of the Treasury.

Mr. RANKIN. In that capacity do you have responsibility for the Secret

Service of the United States?

Secretary DILLON. Yes, the Secret Service is part of the Treasury

Department.

Mr. RANKIN. Have you had that position responsibility for some time?

Secretary DILLON. Since January 21, 1961.

Mr. RANKIN. Can you tell us briefly the nature of your supervision of

the Secret Service, prior to the assassination?

Secretary DILLON. Yes. Prior to the assassination, when I first took

office as Secretary of the Treasury, I naturally tried to find out,

in as much detail as seemed practical, how the various offices of

the Department functioned. One of the important ones was the Secret

Service. So I had a number of interviews with Chief Baughman who was

the Chief of the Secret Service at that time.

I got the general description from him of how the Secret Service

operated, what their responsibilities were, what their problems were.

After he retired, which was early, after I had only been there for a

few months, I spoke with the President about this matter--President

Kennedy--and it was my responsibility to find a new Chief of the Secret

Service.

He had known James Rowley very well as head of the White House detail,

and he felt that he would be an appropriate head of the Secret Service.

I talked with Chief Baughman, and he thought there were two or three

men, of whom Rowley was one, qualified to be head of the Secret

Service; so I decided to appoint Rowley and thereafter talked with him

considerably about the White House detail which he was more familiar

with than Chief Baughman.

However, I did not in any sense conduct a day-to-day supervision, or

close following, of its day-to-day operations. The Secret Service had

been functioning for many years and the presumption from its record

was that it had been functioning successfully. I think that the events

that have developed since November have very clearly shown that some

of the procedures, many of them, need to be changed and improved. I

think this is probably largely due, to a considerable extent due, to a

very rapid change which probably took place without our fully realizing

its importance in the last 3 years, and which greatly increased the

responsibility of the Secret Service. That is the greatly changed

nature of Presidential travel.

Mr. RANKIN. Will you describe to us how that affects the problems of

the Secret Service?

Secretary DILLON. Yes. In earlier times, the Presidents did not travel

very often. When he did travel, he generally traveled by train, which

was a protected train. Doing that, he could not cover very many parts

of the country, and the Secret Service could move easily right along

with him on the train that he was on.

What happened since has been, first, the advent of airplanes.

Presidents beginning with President Eisenhower began to move more

rapidly and were able to travel considerably more, and on very short

time differentials they could be in cities that were thousands of miles

apart.

However, this only just began with President Eisenhower because, in

the first place, jets were not yet available, and in the second place,

in the last 4 years of his term, he had to take greater care of his

health, and he didn't travel around the country quite as much as his

successors have. So when President Kennedy came into office with the

availability of, the relatively recent availability, of jets and his

desire to travel, this greatly increased the burden on the Secret

Service. Formerly when they had a trip, they used to send out an

advance agent to some big town. Now the trip would be a 3-day trip, and

there might be four towns, each one 1,000 miles apart, that would have

to be covered thoroughly at the same time. I think that probably there

was not a full realization by anyone of this problem.

Certainly the Secret Service came to me and said they needed more

personnel, and we tried to get them more personnel. Chief Rowley

testified, I thought quite convincingly, in 1962 before the various

Appropriations Committees of the Congress and met with very little

success because I think that this was not fully understood by the

public. The Appropriations Committees were a reflection of public

understanding, and probably it was not even fully understood within the

Secret Service.

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