Mr. LANE. Mr. Rankin----

Mr. RANKIN. Did you?

Mr. LANE. Yes; of course I told you that. I told you that on March 4,

and I have told you that in every letter which you have written to

me on these questions. I cannot understand how you can pretend to be

surprised or plead surprise at this point based upon my position before

the Commission which today, in July, is consistently the same position

I took in March, and consistently the same position I took in the

intervening months when I wrote to you, we exchanged correspondence, in

relationship to my position.

Mr. RANKIN. And you did not in answer to my letter, when I offered

to pay your expenses, say that the only thing you could testify to

was that there was an attorney-client relationship and you would not

produce any of the records in regard to Helen Markham because of that,

or you did not say that you would not give us the name of the informant

because you had refused to disclose it, in answer to my letter,

offering to pay your expenses. You said nothing about anything of that

kind, did you?

Mr. LANE. I never received your letter. You wrote it to my New York

address. I was in Europe traveling at the time. I received a phone call

from my office 3 days ago stating that you had asked that I return to

the United States to testify, and I immediately booked passage the

next morning, which was the first plane, in order to return, and to

be here before July 1, which was what your letter said. When I came

back, I received a phone call from you indicating that I was not needed

yesterday, but that today at 2 o'clock would be the appropriate time,

and so I came here today. And I am willing to----

Mr. RANKIN. Is that your answer?

Mr. LANE. Yes; of course, it is my answer. I will give you all of the

information in my possession in reference to everything I have been

able to discover in order to assist this Commission. But what you are

asking at this point are sources. You are not asking for information.

You are asking for sources. And you know that it is improper to ask for

those sources.

The CHAIRMAN. Even where there is no relationship of attorney and

client?

Mr. LANE. It is not improper because there is a relationship in that

case. It is improper because I gave that testimony to you voluntarily

on March 4, explaining to the members of this Commission that I had

given my word of honor to this person not to disclose his name.

Mr. RANKIN. Do you have anything else that you wish to disclose in

addition to such disclosures as you now have made to the Commission in

regard to the assassination of President Kennedy?

Mr. LANE. There are three additional matters which have come to my

attention, which I am not at this point able to disclose because an

investigation is still being conducted in Dallas. But by Monday,

this coming Monday, I will be in a position to make that information

available to you. In addition to that----

Mr. RANKIN. Will this be in written form, signed statements and

affidavits, or what will you have for this?

Mr. LANE. I don't understand your question, Mr. Rankin.

Mr. RANKIN. Will you have it in any kind of a written form; the

additional testimony or evidence that you refer to?

Mr. LANE. I cannot tell you that until Monday. In addition to that, as

I told you when we spoke on the phone 2 days ago, and you suggested

that I raise this matter before the Commission, I am deeply concerned

about the fact that since I have become involved in this matter,

and since I testified before this Commission, the U.S. Department

of Immigration has placed my name in their immigration book, on the

proscribed list, and that when I returned to this country, in response

to your invitation to come here and testify before this Commission, I

was halted by the immigration authorities because my name appeared in

that proscribed list.

Mr. RANKIN. And I told you at that time on the telephone, didn't I,

that the Commission had nothing to do with that? Is that right?

Mr. LANE. You did tell me that, and I ask you if you would be good

enough to find out, since I did not accuse the Commission of having

my name listed there, of course--to find out if my name was listed in

relationship to the inquiry which I have conducted, and the testimony

that I have given to this Commission.

The CHAIRMAN. Were you prevented from entering the United States?

Mr. LANE. No; I am here now, Mr. Chief Justice, but I was stopped.

The CHAIRMAN. How long were you detained? Were you detained?

Mr. LANE. Oh, just for a few minutes.

The CHAIRMAN. How many minutes?

Mr. LANE. Oh, perhaps 5. My objection is not to the period of time.

The CHAIRMAN. What was the question asked of you?

Mr. LANE. Just to wait.

Mr. RANKIN. Wasn't there something else asked of you?

Mr. LANE. Well, perhaps I should, then, tell you what happened.

Mr. RANKIN. All right. You better answer that question of the Chief

Justice.

The CHAIRMAN. That is a part of my question. I asked you: What did they

say to you?

Mr. LANE. Well, there were three different persons. The first person

was at the desk, whose name I do not recall, but as an immigration

inspector said, "Kindly wait," and he returned within 5 minutes and

gave me back my passport and said, "You can pass through now." So not

a single question was asked of me by the immigration inspector who

discovered that my name was in the proscribed book.

I, however, asked him if he could tell me why my name was in the book,

and he said that it was confidential material which he could not reveal

to me, and I asked him if he would be good enough to tell me the name

of his superior officer so that I might discuss the matter with him. He

referred me to Mr. J. J. Daley, also an immigration inspector, and Mr.

Daley asked me if perhaps I had gone to Cuba, and I said to him I had

never been to Cuba; I had only been out of the country where a passport

was required twice in my life, both within the last 6 months. The only

time prior to then I had left the country was when I was a soldier in

the U.S. Army, and I was sent to Europe--not to Cuba at that time.

He said, "Well, then, I can't understand it." And I asked if I could

see his superior officer. And he referred me to W. T. McArnity, who

was the officer in charge. He told me that perhaps there was just some

mistake made, but could give me no further information. He referred

me to Mr. Espardy, who is the district director, I believe, of the

Immigration Department, and Mr. Espardy said merely, "I am not going to

tell you a thing." That is where the entire matter rested, and where it

rests now.

Mr. RANKIN. Mr. Lane, when you asked your informant if you could

disclose the information that we have asked you about--and we have

asked you the name of the informer--did you tell him that the

Commission had indicated to you that his name would not be publicly

revealed if he would allow you to disclose it to the Commission?

Mr. LANE. I most certainly did.

Mr. RANKIN. And what was his response?

Mr. LANE. He wondered whether that meant his name might not be revealed

anywhere--if not by the members of the Commission, perhaps somehow it

might be revealed.

Mr. RANKIN. Is that what he said?

Mr. LANE. That is precisely what he said.

Representative FORD. When did he tell you that?

Mr. LANE. When I spoke with him; I think it was during March or April

of this year, after I testified before the Commission.

Representative FORD. Have you made any further inquiry in that regard?

Mr. LANE. Have I?

Representative FORD. Yes.

Mr. LANE. I spoke with him one more time.

Representative FORD. Since your return from Europe?

Mr. LANE. No; I just arrived 2 days ago.

Mr. RANKIN. When was the last time you spoke to him about disclosing

his name?

Mr. LANE. I would think it was during April of this year.

Mr. RANKIN. When in April?

Mr. LANE. I don't recall the exact date. When I was last in Dallas.

Mr. RANKIN. Can you give us a closer approximation than that?

Mr. LANE. I really cannot. I believe it was in April; perhaps toward

the middle of April, but I am not certain.

Representative FORD. Was it by telephone?

Mr. LANE. No; I saw him in person. I went down to see him.

Representative FORD. You saw him in Dallas?

Mr. LANE. Yes; well, near Dallas.

Mr. RANKIN. Do you consider, Mr. Lane, that you have cooperated with

the Commission as much as you can in regard to both of these matters,

Helen Markham and this informant?

Mr. LANE. Yes; I think there is no question but that I have. Frankly,

when I returned to the country, I had thought that it would be not

difficult for me to make available to you all the documents regarding

Mrs. Markham. I had planned to do that.

(At this point, Representative Ford withdrew from the hearing room.)

Mr. LANE. I felt that I would be able to be released from the

attorney-client stricture so that I could do that. It was not until

after I returned that I received a phone call from Mrs. Oswald, after

she called you, related this new development in relationship to the

Markhams, which has at this point handicapped my being able to secure

permission to release that information. I had intended to do that.

I am hopeful that in the next few days it will be possible to give you

that information, as I said earlier.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Lane, you told us what your attorney relationship

was, but, really, I did not understand it very clearly. Will you tell

us what your present attorney relationship is that causes you to rely

upon it in refusing to tell us about this recording that was made at

the time of the conversation between you and Helen Markham?

Mr. LANE. I don't have a present attorney-client relationship in

relation to that particular matter. I, at that time, had been retained

by Marguerite Oswald to investigate the charges against her son and

peripheral matters, and, in conformity and in furtherance of that

retainer, I conducted an interview with Mrs. Markham.

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