Mr. Chief Justice----

The CHAIRMAN. I suppose Mr. Jenner could see the letter for a moment,

couldn't he?

Mr. WEISSMAN. Definitely; yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. Mr. Flannery, would you be good enough to pass it up?

(At this point, Representative Ford withdrew from the hearing room.)

Mr. WEISSMAN. You see, up to the point of that letter--excuse me.

Mr. JENNER. Mr. Chief Justice, it is quite apparent to me, from

glancing through the letter, that this is a letter that we--in

connection with Mr. Weissman's testimony, that we would like to offer

in evidence in due course.

And, with that in mind, Mr. Weissman, it will not be necessary for

you to read paragraphs from the letter, unless in the course of your

testimony you feel it will round out your testimony and serve to

refresh your recollection as to events you might wish to relate.

Mr. WEISSMAN. I would like to take a look at it now.

(At this point, Representative Ford reentered the hearing room.)

Mr. JENNER. Ready?

Mr. WEISSMAN. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Mr. Reporter, would you be good enough to read, let us say,

the last question and answer of the witness?

(The question and answer, as recorded, was read by the reporter.)

Mr. JENNER. The point I was making, Mr. Weissman, was that when you

received the telephone call about which you were testifying, in which

Mr. Schmidt exclaimed, "I have made it for us," or words to that

effect, you were then aware of that to which he was referring, at least

in general?

Mr. WEISSMAN. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. So that was the reason why you didn't ask him to elaborate

upon what he meant by, "I have made it for us"?

Mr. WEISSMAN. Right. That is right.

Mr. JENNER. And that was the fact that he, as you understood it, am I

correct in saying, had had something to do with the organization of the

picketing or other demonstrations at the time that Mr. Stevenson made

his visit to Dallas?

Mr. WEISSMAN. Well, at the time I was almost--Larrie led me to believe

that he had organized the whole thing. And it transpired when I got to

Dallas that I found that he had led a group of 11 University of Dallas

students in quiet picketing near the entrance to the auditorium, and

didn't engage in any physical violence of any sort.

Mr. JENNER. But up to the time that you arrived in Dallas, you were

under the impression that he had had a more extensive part?

Mr. WEISSMAN. This is what he led me to believe. In other words, he

was trying to--he wanted to get me to Dallas in the worst way. And he

wanted it to look like he was on the hot seat and he would be there

unless I came down to help him. In other words, he is throwing my

obligation at me. And trying to convince me in various ways, as I

mentioned, to come down there, so we can get moving on what we had

planned in Munich.

Mr. JENNER. Did you receive a letter from him dated October 29, 1963,

a copy of which I have marked as Commission Exhibit No. 1032, and I

tender to you. You may have the original among your papers.

(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 1032 for

identification.)

Mr. WEISSMAN. Yes; I did receive this letter, Exhibit No. 1032, from

Larrie, about the 29th of October.

Mr. JENNER. And, gentlemen of the Commission, this is a letter dated,

as the witness has stated--it is addressed to, "Dear Bernie and Bill,"

and I assume Bill is----

Mr. WEISSMAN. Bill Burley.

Mr. JENNER. He was then staying with you in New York?

Mr. WEISSMAN. Right.

Mr. JENNER. And it is signed Larrie. By the way, do you have the

original of this letter with you?

Mr. WEISSMAN. I don't think so. Let me see. No; as a matter of fact,

I believe the situation was when I gave the letter to the FBI, they

asked me if I needed it back right away, and I said no--I didn't see

any value in it, frankly. And then I spoke with Mr. Reedy, the agent

who had conducted the investigation at the FBI headquarters in New

York, and he said, "Do you want the letter?" And I said, "I don't

particularly need it," and I don't recall if I ever got it back.

Mr. JENNER. All right. But the document which has been marked with an

exhibit number is a true and correct copy of the letter you received

from Larrie Schmidt?

Mr. WEISSMAN. It seems to be; yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. Now, in that letter, there is a reference to CUSA in

capital letters. What is CUSA, what was CUSA? What was its genesis?

Mr. WEISSMAN. Well, CUSA, the letters stand for Conservatism USA, for

lack of a better name. Larrie had originally founded this himself--as

far as I know he had originally founded this himself in Munich some

time in 1961.

Mr. JENNER. You mean it was a concept of his?

Mr. WEISSMAN. I don't know if it was his. But I was led to believe the

concept was his; and when I became associated with him, almost a year

after he had started to develop this organization----

Mr. JENNER. And while you were still in the Army?

Mr. WEISSMAN. While I was still in the Army; right.

Representative BOGGS. What was your rank in the Army?

Mr. WEISSMAN. Private, first class.

Representative BOGGS. That is when you completed your service?

Mr. WEISSMAN. Yes; at the time I was pfc, also.

Representative BOGGS. How long were you in the Army?

Mr. WEISSMAN. Two years.

Representative BOGGS. When you were separated you were private, first

class?

Mr. WEISSMAN. That is right. Here is how it came about. I had been in

the field on an Army training test. And I had been discussing just

political views, foreign policy especially.

Mr. DULLES. Is this Germany, now?

Mr. WEISSMAN. Yes; this is Germany.

Mr. JENNER. Who was the overall commander in Germany at that time?

Mr. WEISSMAN. The overall commander?

Mr. JENNER. Was General Walker one of the commanders at that time?

Mr. WEISSMAN. No; he had been removed at that time. In any case, he

would have been about 60 or 70 miles--he was based in Landshut, Germany.

In any case, I was on this army training test with my company, MP

Company, and I was talking to the company clerk--he had a book. We just

got onto a discussion of politics, just generally. And I expounded some

views on foreign policy, and where I agreed or disagreed. And I went

into some great detail. And he said, "Gee, if I didn't know better I

would say it is Larrie speaking."

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