I talked to him about an hour.

Mr. RANKIN. What did you say to him and what did he say to you?

Mr. WADE. Well, we discussed the history of Lee Harvey Oswald and

the--one of the purposes he came to me, he wanted his mother, Oswald's

mother, and wife and him to see Oswald.

Mr. RANKIN. Did he say this to you?

Mr. WADE. Yes; but we had already set it up, somebody, I don't know

whether my office or the police, but he was set up to see him that

morning at 11 o'clock, I believe, or 12 o'clock, some time.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you do anything about it?

Mr. WADE. Yes, sir; I checked to see if it was arranged. I called

Captain Fritz and told him that he wanted to see him, and he said they

were going to let him see him. I don't know. I don't know the name, but

it was either 11 o'clock or 12 o'clock Saturday morning.

I don't know whether he had requested or not, but that was the first

time I had seen him. I don't know why he came to my office, but I used

it to try to go into Lee Harvey Oswald's background some, and I also

told him that there is a lot involved in this thing from a national

point of view, and I said, "You appear to be a good citizen," which

he did appear to me, "and I think you will render your country a

great service if you will go up and tell Oswald to tell us all about

the thing." That was part of the deal of my working for a statement

from Oswald which didn't pan out, of course. Because I was going to

interview Oswald Sunday afternoon when we got him into the county jail

and I was going to attempt to get a statement from him.

Mr. RANKIN. Did Robert tell you anything about Lee Harvey Oswald's

background at that time?

Mr. WADE. He told me about in Europe, how in Russia, how they had had

very little correspondence with them and he wrote to them renouncing or

telling them he wanted to renounce his American citizenship and didn't

want to have anything else to do with him. He said later that one of

the letters changed some, I mean back, and then he said he was coming

home, coming back and he had married and kind of his general history

of the thing and he came back and I believe stayed with this Robert in

Fort Worth for 2, 3, or 4 months. Now I say this is from memory, like

I don't have--and they had helped him some, and said that Marina, the

thing that impressed her was most your supermarkets, I think, more than

anything else in this country, your A. & P. and the big, I guess you

call them, supermarkets or whatever they are.

And he told me something about him going to New Orleans, but I gathered

that they were not too close. I believe he told me this, that he hadn't

seen him in close to a year prior to this, or a good while.

Now, it seemed to me like it was a year, and he said their families,

they didn't have anything in common much, and he said, of course--I

said "Do you think"--I said, "the evidence is pretty strong against

your brother, what do you think about it?" He said, "Well, he is my

brother, and I hate to think he would do this." He said, "I want to

talk to him and ask him about it."

Now, I never did see him. Roughly, that is about all I remember from

that conversation. We rambled around for quite a bit.

I know I was impressed because he got out and walked out the front

of my office and in front of my office there were 15 or 20 press men

wanting to ask him something, and he wouldn't say a word to them, he

just walked off.

I told him they would be out there, and he said, "I won't have anything

to say."

Mr. DULLES. Was this the morning after the assassination?

Mr. WADE. Yes, sir; Saturday morning.

Mr. DULLES. About what time?

Mr. WADE. I would say between 9 and 10 is when I talked with him.

And so the main purpose in the office, we believed, the main purpose

of me and the lawyers in the office were briefing the law on whether

to try Oswald for the murder of the President, whether you could prove

the flight and the killing of Officer Tippit, which we became satisfied

that we could, I mean from an evidentiary point of view.

Mr. RANKIN. By "we" who do you mean, in your office?

Mr. WADE. Well, I think I had seven or eight in there, Bowie, and

Alexander, and Dan Ellis, Jim Williamson, but there was a legal point.

My office was open, but that, with reference to this case, there were

other things going on, but in reference to this case, this is what we

spent our time trying to establish whether that would be admissible or

not.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you consult with any Federal officers in regard to how

you should handle the case or what you should say about it at any time?

Mr. WADE. No; I didn't discuss, consult with any of them. I did talk to

some of the FBI boys and I believe there was an inspector.

Mr. RANKIN. Secret Service?

Mr. WADE. No.

Mr. RANKIN. FBI?

Mr. WADE. There was an inspector of the FBI who called me two or three

times. I don't remember.

Mr. RANKIN. Did they tell you how to handle the case in any way?

Mr. WADE. I don't think so. I mean it wasn't really up to them.

Mr. RANKIN. The only time you ever talked to Barefoot Sanders about it

was in regard to this conspiracy, possibility of, that you have already

described?

Mr. WADE. Frankly, that is hard to say. I think we talked off and on

every day or two about developments in it, because, you see, well, I

don't know whether we talked any more but before the killing by Ruby,

but we had nearly a daily conversation about the files in the Oswald

case, what we were going to do with them. You see, they were going to

give them all to me, and at that stage we didn't know whether it was

going to be a President's Commission or a congressional investigation

or what. After the President's Commission was set up, I arranged

through him and Miller here in the Justice Department that rather than

give the files to me, to get the police to turn them over to the FBI

and send them to you all, or photostat them and send them to you all.

Barefoot and I talked frequently, but I don't know of anything

significant of the Oswald angle that we discussed, and we spent the

last 2 months trying to get some of the FBI files to read on the Ruby

trial. I mean we talked a lot but I don't know anything further about

Oswald into it or anything on Ruby of any particular significance.

Mr. RANKIN. Was Barefoot Sanders suggesting how you should handle the

Oswald case except the time you already related?

Mr. WADE. I don't recall him doing, suggesting that.

Mr. RANKIN. Any other Federal officers suggesting anything like that to

you?

Mr. WADE. The only thing I remember is the inspector of the FBI whom I

don't think I ever met. I was there in the police one time during this

shuffle, and I think it was some time Saturday morning, and he said

they should have nothing, no publicity on the thing, no statements.

Now, I don't know whether that was after Ruby shot Oswald or before, I

don't know when it was, but I did talk with him and I know his concern

which was that there was too much publicity.

Mr. RANKIN. And he told you that, did he?

Mr. WADE. At some stage in it. I am thinking it was Sunday night which

I know I talked with him Sunday night, but we are not that far along

with it yet. But I don't know whether I talked to him previously or not.

Mr. RANKIN. That is the only conversation of that type that you recall

with any Federal officer?

Mr. WADE. That is all I recall. I am sure Barefoot and I discussed the

publicity angle on it some, but I don't remember Barefoot suggesting

how we handle it, but neither one of us knew whether it was his offense

or mine, to begin with, for 2 or 3 hours because we had to select it.

Mr. RANKIN. Do you know what Barefoot said about publicity when you did

discuss it with him?

Mr. WADE. I don't recall anything.

Mr. RANKIN. All right.

What happened next, as you recall?

Mr. WADE. I was going home. I went by the police station to talk to

Chief Curry.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you discuss the evidence then?

Mr. WADE. Well, at that time--you see, Chief Curry knew very little of

the evidence at that stage. He should have known, but he didn't. But I

discussed the thing with him and I told him there was too much evidence

being put out in the case from his department, that I wish he would

talk to Fritz and have no further statements on it.

Mr. RANKIN. What did he say about that?

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