The CHAIRMAN. Which one did you take?
Mr. BRIAN. We took the elevator inside the city hall basement.
The CHAIRMAN. I see.
Mr. DULLES. Is there only one elevator there?
Mr. BRIAN. No, sir; there are two side by side. Back on this side of
the basement there are two elevators over here and one freight elevator
right back on in here. But this is to the city hall this direction and
this is the ramp coming in from Main Street and the ramp going up to
Commerce Street. We drove in this ramp one way going in this way and
one way going out.
Mr. DULLES. Where are the stairs?
Mr. BRIAN. In the basement?
Mr. DULLES. You don't know?
Mr. BRIAN. There are no stairs in the basement. I mean out here where
the cars are parked. Right here is the ramp, there is a walkway going
up but it is not a stairway and then it levels off and you go by
through here, and the jail is right here, do you recall the jail being
here, on the right by the doors as you go in.
Mr. DULLES. I only saw the jail on top side.
Mr. BRIAN. Well, the jail office is right there at the head of this
ramp, the jail office where they book the prisoners through.
Mr. DULLES. I didn't go in there.
Mr. BRIAN. That is the door they brought Lee Oswald out of when he was
shot, going into the jail office right there.
Mr. RANKIN. There are no stairs from the basement to the third floor?
Mr. BRIAN. There are stairs inside of the basement but there are none
out here, inside of the basement of city hall but none out here in the
parking area.
Mr. RANKIN. Where are the stairs from the place where the elevators are
that you took. Are there any stairs?
Mr. BRIAN. I didn't take any stairs.
Mr. RANKIN. No. You say you took elevators.
Mr. BRIAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. RANKIN. Were there stairs near the elevators?
Mr. BRIAN. Back right over--let me get a pencil and draw the whole
thing for you. That is about the way it is situated right there.
Mr. RANKIN. Mr. Brian, we will call that Exhibit 839. Will you just
briefly tell the Commission what you have done in making that exhibit
now?
Mr. BRIAN. All right, sir. I am not an artist. But we came down the
ramp on Main Street, came around here to the parking area. Mr. Hosty
was parked over here. There is a bunch of poles out there and I won't
try to draw them in here.
Mr. RANKIN. Mark that "A" where Mr. Hosty was parked as you just
indicated.
Mr. BRIAN. All right. And he was coming this way and we were coming
this way. We met him about in the middle of this ramp out here, and
talked, and----
Mr. RANKIN. You were right alongside of Lieutenant Revill?
Mr. BRIAN. Yes, sir; and they walked on off and I came back behind
through here to these elevators and off here we caught the elevators
and went on up.
Mr. RANKIN. How close were you when you came behind them?
Mr. BRIAN. Just--I didn't keep a constant pace with them, but as far
as--I don't recall exactly----
Mr. RANKIN. You were close to them, were you?
Mr. BRIAN. Here is the stairway in the basement, there is one narrow
stairway going up to the first floor, and you pass it and you go by the
phone booth and a jail office and you pass the stairway, it is right
over here in the basement of city hall.
Mr. RANKIN. And you were close to them as you went across there to take
the elevator?
Mr. BRIAN. I was behind them and they were going away from me and I was
fairly close, yes, sir.
Mr. RANKIN. About how far?
Mr. BRIAN. Probably 6 or 7 feet or 8 feet behind. When we got to the
elevator and we all stopped there together and caught the elevator.
Mr. DULLES. Where did the conversation take place, in front of the
elevators there?
Mr. BRIAN. That I heard?
Mr. DULLES. Yes.
Mr. BRIAN. Right out here, because Mr. Hosty started blurting it out
just as soon as he started across here.
Mr. DULLES. And you walked from this point here?
Mr. BRIAN. Over to here, to the elevators.