Mr. BRIAN. No, sir; that is the elevator going up----

The CHAIRMAN. Which one did you take?

Mr. BRIAN. We took the elevator inside the city hall basement.

The CHAIRMAN. I see.

Mr. DULLES. Is there only one elevator there?

Mr. BRIAN. No, sir; there are two side by side. Back on this side of

the basement there are two elevators over here and one freight elevator

right back on in here. But this is to the city hall this direction and

this is the ramp coming in from Main Street and the ramp going up to

Commerce Street. We drove in this ramp one way going in this way and

one way going out.

Mr. DULLES. Where are the stairs?

Mr. BRIAN. In the basement?

Mr. DULLES. You don't know?

Mr. BRIAN. There are no stairs in the basement. I mean out here where

the cars are parked. Right here is the ramp, there is a walkway going

up but it is not a stairway and then it levels off and you go by

through here, and the jail is right here, do you recall the jail being

here, on the right by the doors as you go in.

Mr. DULLES. I only saw the jail on top side.

Mr. BRIAN. Well, the jail office is right there at the head of this

ramp, the jail office where they book the prisoners through.

Mr. DULLES. I didn't go in there.

Mr. BRIAN. That is the door they brought Lee Oswald out of when he was

shot, going into the jail office right there.

Mr. RANKIN. There are no stairs from the basement to the third floor?

Mr. BRIAN. There are stairs inside of the basement but there are none

out here, inside of the basement of city hall but none out here in the

parking area.

Mr. RANKIN. Where are the stairs from the place where the elevators are

that you took. Are there any stairs?

Mr. BRIAN. I didn't take any stairs.

Mr. RANKIN. No. You say you took elevators.

Mr. BRIAN. Yes, sir.

Mr. RANKIN. Were there stairs near the elevators?

Mr. BRIAN. Back right over--let me get a pencil and draw the whole

thing for you. That is about the way it is situated right there.

Mr. RANKIN. Mr. Brian, we will call that Exhibit 839. Will you just

briefly tell the Commission what you have done in making that exhibit

now?

Mr. BRIAN. All right, sir. I am not an artist. But we came down the

ramp on Main Street, came around here to the parking area. Mr. Hosty

was parked over here. There is a bunch of poles out there and I won't

try to draw them in here.

Mr. RANKIN. Mark that "A" where Mr. Hosty was parked as you just

indicated.

Mr. BRIAN. All right. And he was coming this way and we were coming

this way. We met him about in the middle of this ramp out here, and

talked, and----

Mr. RANKIN. You were right alongside of Lieutenant Revill?

Mr. BRIAN. Yes, sir; and they walked on off and I came back behind

through here to these elevators and off here we caught the elevators

and went on up.

Mr. RANKIN. How close were you when you came behind them?

Mr. BRIAN. Just--I didn't keep a constant pace with them, but as far

as--I don't recall exactly----

Mr. RANKIN. You were close to them, were you?

Mr. BRIAN. Here is the stairway in the basement, there is one narrow

stairway going up to the first floor, and you pass it and you go by the

phone booth and a jail office and you pass the stairway, it is right

over here in the basement of city hall.

Mr. RANKIN. And you were close to them as you went across there to take

the elevator?

Mr. BRIAN. I was behind them and they were going away from me and I was

fairly close, yes, sir.

Mr. RANKIN. About how far?

Mr. BRIAN. Probably 6 or 7 feet or 8 feet behind. When we got to the

elevator and we all stopped there together and caught the elevator.

Mr. DULLES. Where did the conversation take place, in front of the

elevators there?

Mr. BRIAN. That I heard?

Mr. DULLES. Yes.

Mr. BRIAN. Right out here, because Mr. Hosty started blurting it out

just as soon as he started across here.

Mr. DULLES. And you walked from this point here?

Mr. BRIAN. Over to here, to the elevators.

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