Mr. MOLINA. I went to work in February 1947.
Mr. BALL. For the Texas School Book Depository at that time.
Mr. MOLINA. Yes; at that time they were located at 2210 Pacific.
Mr. BALL. Now, November 22, 1963, the place you worked was in the
second floor of this School Book Depository Building?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you go out on the street to see the motorcade?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes; I was standing on the front steps.
Mr. BALL. With whom?
Mr. MOLINA. Right next left of me was Mr. Williams and close to there
was Mrs. Sanders.
Mr. BALL. Pauline Sanders?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did you see Roy Truly?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes; he was standing with Mr. Campbell; they were going out
to lunch.
Mr. BALL. They were in front of you were they?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes.
Mr. BALL. You saw the President's car pass?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did you see anything after that?
Mr. MOLINA. Well, I heard the shots.
Mr. BALL. Where--what was the source of the sound?
Mr. MOLINA. Sort of like it reverberated, sort of kind of came from the
west side; that was the first impression I got. Of course, the first
shot was fired then there was an interval between the first and second
longer than the second and third.
Mr. BALL. What did you do after that?
Mr. MOLINA. Well, I just stood there, everybody was running and I
didn't know what to do actually, because what could I do. I was just
shocked.
Mr. BALL. Did anybody say anything?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes, this fellow come to me--Mr. Williams said, somebody
said, somebody was shooting at the President, somebody, I don't
know who it was. There was some shooting, you know, and this fellow
said "What can anybody gain by that"; he just shook his head and I
just stood there and shook my head. I didn't want to think what was
happening, you know, but I wanted to find out so I went down to where
the grassy slope is, you know, and I was trying to gather pieces of
conversation of the people that had been close by there and somebody
said "Well, the President has been shot and I think they shot somebody
else", something like that.
Mr. BALL. Did you see Mr. Truly go into the building?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Where were you when you saw him go into the building?
Mr. MOLINA. I was right in the entrance.
Mr. BALL. Did you see a police officer with him?
Mr. MOLINA. I didn't see a police officer. I don't recall seeing a
police officer but I did see him go inside.
Mr. BALL. Did you see a white-helmeted police officer any time there in
the entrance?
Mr. MOLINA. Well, of course, there might have been one after they
secured the building, you know.
Mr. BALL. No, I mean when Truly went in; did you see Truly actually go
into the building?
Mr. MOLINA. I saw him go in.
Mr. BALL. Where were you standing?
Mr. MOLINA. Right at the front door; right at the front door.
Mr. BALL. Outside the front door?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes, outside the front door I was standing; the door was
right behind me.
Mr. BALL. Were you standing on the steps?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes, on the uppermost step.
Mr. BALL. You actually saw Truly go in?
Mr. MOLINA. Yeah.
Mr. BALL. You were still standing there?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes.
Mr. BALL. How long was it after you heard the shots?
Mr. MOLINA. Oh, I would venture to say maybe 20 or 30 seconds
afterwards.
Mr. BALL. Had somebody come up and said the President was shot before
you saw Truly go in?
Mr. MOLINA. No.
Mr. BALL. Do you know a girl named Gloria Calvary?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did Gloria come up?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes, she came. I was in the lobby standing there and she
came in with this other girl.
Mr. BALL. What did she say?
Mr. MOLINA. She said "Oh, my God, Joe, he's been shot." They were both
horrified. I said "Are you sure he was shot?" She said "Oh, Joe, I'm
sure. I saw his hair fly up and I'm sure he was shot" something to that
extent.
Mr. BALL. You left the building that day about what time and went home?
Mr. MOLINA. Oh, it must have been around, I would say, I would say it
was about 2, maybe a little before that, I don't know.
Mr. BALL. Had you ever seen Lee Oswald?
Mr. MOLINA. I had seen him in the building, yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you ever speak to him?
Mr. MOLINA. No; I never spoke to him.
Mr. BALL. Did you see him at all on November 22d?
Mr. MOLINA. I never did see him.
Mr. BALL. Did you see any strangers in the building on that day
November 22d?
Mr. MOLINA. No; like I stated before, I came in at--to work at 7 in the
morning because I had a key and I was on the second floor all the time,
never did leave except maybe to go to the restroom, something like
that. Then I ate my lunch, took my lunch and ate it and went downstairs
about 12:15.
Mr. BALL. Okay, thanks very much, Mr. Molina. This will be written up
for your signature if you wish; you can come in and sign it or you can
waive your signature, whichever you wish. If you wish to sign it, this
young lady will notify you when it is typed and you can come in, read
it, and sign it.
Mr. MOLINA. I just wanted to state in the record that I want to deny
any accusations if there is any doubt in anybody's mind.
Mr. BALL. No; there is nobody I ever heard has accused you of anything.
Mr. MOLINA. I know there's a fella that I talk with that belongs to the
or had worked with the FBI that knows my position in this thing.
Mr. BALL. I never heard anybody accuse you of any wrongdoing in
connection with this matter.
Mr. MOLINA. In fact, Bill Lowery worked with the FBI.
Mr. BALL. You don't have to worry about that; no one is accusing you of
anything.
Mr. MOLINA. Except the local people here.
Mr. BALL. Do you want to sign it or do you want to waive your
signature; how do you feel about it? It's your option; you can do
either way.
Mr. MOLINA. Well, I would like to.
Mr. BALL. See it and sign it?
Mr. MOLINA. See it and sign it.
Mr. BALL. She will notify you then. She will tell you when to come in.
Mr. MOLINA. Thanks very much.