Mr. BELIN. Did any officer give you any information about talking to
anyone who saw a rifle or a portion of a rifle at any place other than
a window in the Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mr. SAWYER. No, not to my knowledge.
Mr. BELIN. Did you talk to people who attempted to locate the shots
on the basis of what I would call their sense of hearing, rather than
their sense of sight?
In other words, what they heard rather than what they saw?
Mr. SAWYER. Correct. That is correct. Some of them claimed that they
had heard shots, or thought they heard shots from over the overpass.
Mr. BELIN. Did all the people you talked to say that they heard shots
over the overpass? Claim they had some knowledge about where the shots
came from?
Did they all say they heard shots from the overpass, or did they say
they heard some from other places?
Mr. SAWYER. No. Very few said they heard the shots come from the
overpass, or thought they heard them from that area.
Mr. BELIN. Well, where did other people say they heard shots come from?
Mr. SAWYER. Most of the people that heard the shots pointed out the
Texas Book Depository.
Mr. BELIN. Did some of the people that heard shots, or thought they
heard shots from the Texas School Book Depository, all say they saw a
rifle there?
Mr. SAWYER. No.
Mr. BELIN. Most of them say they saw a rifle there?
Mr. SAWYER. No, just a few, very few.
Mr. BELIN. Is there anything else you can think of that occurred at the
Texas School Book Depository that afternoon while you were there that
might have any relevancy about where the shots came from, other than
what you have told thus far?
Mr. SAWYER. Well, I had heard some of the officers come to me and said
there was supposed to be, somebody told them about a woman that had
taken some pictures of that window, and then one of the sergeants came
to me, and I am not sure who the sergeant is now, but anyway he said
that there was on the building immediately west--east, I am sorry--east
of the Texas School Book Depository, that a man up in one of the upper
windows up there was taking some moving pictures of what had gone on.
Mr. BELIN. Did you ever contact this man? Do you know what his name is?
Mr. SAWYER. No; I don't know his name. The sergeant told me that the
man would not give them the pictures, that he was waiting for the
Secret Service or the FBI, I forget which now, and I sent the sergeant
and two men back over there with instructions to bring that man and his
pictures to me.
When they got back over there, Forrest Sorrels of the Secret Service
was already there, and at least they so reported back to me, and was
talking to this man.
So I told them to go ahead with their normal assignments and since
Forrest was already there and talking to him, I knew that that part
would be taken care of.
Mr. BELIN. You don't know what his name was or what the results of it
was?
Mr. SAWYER. I don't know.
Mr. BELIN. Anything else?
Mr. SAWYER. Later that afternoon one of our colored officer detectives
saw this colored man in this crowd across the street and we had
previously broadcast a description on, and he took him into custody and
sent him immediately down to Captain Fritz' office.
Mr. BELIN. He gave a statement, is that it?
Mr. SAWYER. This I don't know. I presume he did, but I didn't stop to
talk to him or take any information.