Mr. BELIN. Then the statement is made sometime before 12:45 p.m., and
after the 12:43 p.m., call, "Attention all squads, description was
broadcast and no further information at this time."
Does that mean the description you made was rebroadcast?
Mr. SAWYER. I rebroadcast that description. That is what that means.
Mr. BELIN. I then notice on this radio log--I don't see anything more
under 9, at least until after the, well, it is down until we have gone
as far as 1:30 p.m., I don't see anything else, do you, sir?
Mr. SAWYER. No. There is another broadcast in there somewhere, though.
I put out another description on the colored boy that worked in that
department.
Mr. BELIN. What do you mean the colored boy that worked in that
depository?
Mr. SAWYER. He is one that had a previous record in the narcotics, and
he was supposed to have been a witness to the man being on that floor.
He was supposed to have been a witness to Oswald being there.
Mr. BELIN. Would Charles Givens have been that boy?
Mr. SAWYER. Yes, I think that is the name, and I put out a description
on him.
Mr. BELIN. How do you know he was supposed to be a witness on that?
Mr. SAWYER. Somebody told me that. Somebody came to me with the
information. And again, that particular party, whoever it was, I don't
know. I remember that a deputy sheriff came up to me who had been over
taking these affidavits, that I sent them over there, and he came over
from the sheriff's office with a picture and a description of this
colored boy and he said that he was supposed to have worked at the
Texas Book Depository, and he was the one employee who was missing, or
he was missing from the building.
He wasn't accounted for, and that he was suppose to have some
information about the man that did the shooting.
Mr. BELIN. When you say about the man who did the shooting, did you
know at that time who did the shooting?
Mr. SAWYER. No.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know about what time in the afternoon this was?
Mr. SAWYER. Somewhere along in here; let's see if we can't find it.
Mr. BELIN. This doesn't go past 1:53 p.m.
Mr. SAWYER. What about your other transcript?
Mr. BELIN. I have a transcript of another one here, at least I did have.
Mr. SAWYER. I think we caught the man in the crowd later and sent him
down.
We sent him directly down to Captain Fritz's office.
Mr. BELIN. Well, just a minute now. I see here on No. 1, you have two
channels there.
Mr. SAWYER. This is Channel 1, yes.
Mr. BELIN. We will call this Sawyer's Deposition Exhibit B.
I see here that you go on at 12:45 p.m., with this statement by your
No. 9. You want to read it?
Mr. SAWYER. Yes.
"From this building it is unknown if he is still there or not. Unknown
if he was there in the first place."
Mr. BELIN. Then it reads back here, "All the information we have
received, indicates it did come from the fifth or fourth of that
building."
That is the central headquarters back to you, is that it?
Mr. SAWYER. That's right.
Mr. BELIN. That is at least after 12:45 p.m., and before 12:48 p.m.?
Mr. SAWYER. Right.
Mr. BELIN. Now looking down on this log until the next time your number
appears, is 1:12 p.m. What does that say?
Mr. SAWYER. "We have found empty rifle hulls on the fifth floor and
from all indications the man had been there for some time."
Mr. BELIN. Then is there anything else?
Mr. SAWYER. This was reported to me by somebody inside the building.
Mr. BELIN. That was at 1:12 p.m., that the hulls were found, or
at least shortly prior to that? This doesn't say anything else.
It apparently doesn't go in detail much past 1:58 p.m., on Sawyer
Deposition Exhibit B, and 1:53 p.m., on Sawyer's Deposition Exhibit A.
Mr. SAWYER. That's right.
Mr. BELIN. Do you still feel sometime after that you might have called
out another description?
Mr. SAWYER. It was another, sometime after that, or it has been left
out of this. I don't think it has been left out of this, but it must
have been after 1:53.
Mr. BELIN. All right, now, sir; you did broadcast that description out
of this man?
Mr. SAWYER. Yes, that's correct.
Mr. BELIN. That shows on the radio log. Where did you get that
description from?
Mr. SAWYER. We are talking now about the colored man?
Mr. BELIN. No, I am talking about the one that is on Sawyer's
Deposition Exhibit A, that shows you at 12:43.
Mr. SAWYER. That description came to me mainly from one witness who
claimed to have seen the rifle barrel in the fifth or sixth floor of
the building, and claimed to have been able to see the man up there.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know this person's name?
Mr. SAWYER. I do not.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know anything about him, what he was wearing?
Mr. SAWYER. Except that he was--I don't remember what he was wearing. I
remember that he was a white man and that he wasn't young and he wasn't
old. He was there. That is the only two things that I can remember
about him.
Mr. BELIN. What age would you categorize as young?
Mr. SAWYER. Around 35 would be my best recollection of it, but it could
be a few years either way.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember if he was tall or short, or can't you
remember anything about him?
Mr. SAWYER. I can't remember that much about him. I was real hazy about
that.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember where he said he was standing when he saw
the person with the rifle?
Mr. SAWYER. I didn't go into detail with him except that from the best
of my recollection, he was standing where he could have seen him. But
there were too many people coming up with questions to go into detail.
I got the description and sent him on over to the Sheriff's Office.
Mr. BELIN. Inspector, do you remember anything else about this person
who you say gave you the primary description?
Mr. SAWYER. No, I do not, except that I did send him with an escort to
the Sheriff's Office to give fuller or more complete detail.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know if he was taken there to see a lineup at the
police station?
Mr. SAWYER. No.
Mr. BELIN. Did you ever see him again?
Mr. SAWYER. Not to my knowledge.
Mr. BELIN. Now, you talked to other people there that said they had
some information with regard to where the shots may have come from?
Mr. SAWYER. Yes, through a number of people.
Mr. BELIN. First I am going to ask you if you talked to any other
people who said they saw a rifle or part of a rifle?
Mr. SAWYER. Yes. There were a few who claimed that they had seen this.
Mr. BELIN. Where did these people that claimed they saw a rifle or part
of a rifle----
Mr. SAWYER. The ones that I talked to were pointing out one of the
upper floors of the Texas School Book Depository, which at that time I
thought was the fifth floor.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know what portion, what side of the building it was?
Was it the northeast corner or west side of the building?
Mr. SAWYER. It was on the south side of the building, and in the
southeast corner.
Mr. BELIN. What about this person, who I will call the primary
description witness, did he say what side of the building it was on?
Mr. SAWYER. He went and pointed out the window which I now note to be
the sixth floor, but when I talked to him, I thought it was the fifth
floor.
Mr. BELIN. The fifth floor?
Mr. SAWYER. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. What side of the building?
Mr. SAWYER. On the south side of the building, and the southeast corner.
Mr. BELIN. Did you talk to any witness, or did any witness talk to you
who claimed to see any rifle or portion of a rifle at any place other
than a window of Texas School Book Depository Building?