Mr. HOLLAND. Picket fence or concrete?
Mr. STERN. No; the concrete.
Mr. HOLLAND. Oh, the concrete banister?
Mr. STERN. The concrete banister. Were you right at the banister?
Mr. HOLLAND. I was; would you like to see the exact location?
Mr. STERN. Yes.
Mr. HOLLAND. This is my son standing in the exact location I was in
[indicating].
Mr. STERN. Off the record a moment.
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. STERN. Back on the record. Well, then, we'll mark this as Exhibit
B, reserving Exhibit A for this drawing, and Exhibit B is a photograph
you took on Saturday, November 23, of your son standing in the position
at the banister of the triple overpass where you were at the time the
motorcade came into view.
Mr. HOLLAND. That's right.
Mr. STERN. Fine. That is quite a good picture. At that time, can you
indicate, to the best of your knowledge where other persons were
standing on the overpass, and particularly in relationship to the two
police officers who were on the overpass?
Mr. HOLLAND. Well, as well as I remember, one police officer was
standing right behind me, or pretty close behind me.
Mr. STERN. Put a "2" where you believe he was standing.
Mr. HOLLAND. He was standing in close enough so that he could see,
but he could also see the people, and the other policeman, I think,
unless he left immediately before this happened--see, when they turned
there. I didn't turn around and look back any more, but the last time
I saw this policeman he was standing over here on this side, about
[indicating].
Mr. STERN. Standing almost directly behind you?
Mr. HOLLAND. Yes.
Mr. STERN. But, on the other side of the overpass, facing west?
Mr. HOLLAND. Yes; all this way, across the tracks. See, these are all
railroad tracks, and he was standing over here on this side immediately
before this motorcade turned this. Now, after they turned, I don't
know, but--because I was watching them.
Mr. STERN. Yes.
Would you put a "3" where you believe he was standing and can you
indicate on there where you believe the other 12 to 15 or 16 people
were who were on the overpass at this time.