Mr. SPECTER. "This side"--you are meaning--the east of it?
Mrs. HILL. The east of it.
Mr. SPECTER. Were you beyond the westernmost point of the Texas School
Book Depository Building?
Mrs. HILL. No.
Mr. SPECTER. You were still in front of that building?
Mrs. HILL. That's right.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, is the letter "B" now in the position where you were
when you first saw that man?
Mrs. HILL. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. Where was that man, indicating with the letter "C," where
he was? He was very close to you?
Mrs. HILL. Well, he was at the top of this hill--you don't leave me any
space in here--I mean, there's a distance in here greater than what is
shown here.
Mr. SPECTER. He was between Elm Street and the Depository Building?
Mrs. HILL. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. And where did you see him going?
Mrs. HILL. I saw him go toward the tracks, toward the railroad tracks
to the west?
Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe about that man, if anything?
Mrs. HILL. That he just had on a brown overcoat and a hat.
Mr. SPECTER. Why was your attention attracted to him?
Mrs. HILL. Because he was the only thing moving up there. The other
people were all grief stricken and standing there and I don't know what
I would have done with him when I got up there, but I don't know why I
even had the instinct to run, and I don't know that it is anything even
connected with this, but since I had already--I have told it and it is
part of my recollection, I am just stating it again.
Mr. SPECTER. Well, was there anything about the man that attracted your
attention to him beside the fact that he was moving?
Mrs. HILL. I just thought at the time--that's the man that did it.
Mr. SPECTER. Why did you think that this was the man that did it?
Mrs. HILL. I just don't know--I mean--that was my thought.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you see any weapon in his hand?
Mrs. HILL. No; I never saw a weapon during the whole time, in anyone's
hand.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you see that man from the front?
Mrs. HILL. As well as I remember, now, when I saw him he was turning
and going to the west.
Mr. SPECTER. Was he in the process of turning when you first saw him?
Mrs. HILL. Yes; I would say he was turning.
Mr. SPECTER. So that you had some view of his front part of his body?
Mrs. HILL. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. And did you see any weapon at that time?
Mrs. HILL. No, sir; he was three-fourths turned by the time I did see
him.
Mr. SPECTER. Could you see both of his hands at that time?
Mrs. HILL. No.
Mr. SPECTER. Could you see one of his hands at that time?
Mrs. HILL. No; I do not even remember seeing his hands.
Mr. SPECTER. I mean, if he was turning, his hands would have been
visible, wouldn't they?
Mrs. HILL. They surely would have been.
Mr. SPECTER. So, what you are saying is, you don't have any
recollection of seeing his hands?
Mrs. HILL. I have no recollection--that's right.
Mr. SPECTER. But from the position of his body, his hands would have
been in the position where they could have been observed?
Mrs. HILL. That's right--surely.
Mr. SPECTER. And do you have any recollection of observing any weapon
in either hand?
Mrs. HILL. No; I never saw a weapon the whole time.
Mr. SPECTER. Had you moved from point "A" at the time you first saw
him?
Mrs. HILL. That's the reason I ran across the street.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you see him while you were at point "A"?
Mrs. HILL. Do you mean prior to the shots? Yes; I saw him, that's the
reason why I went across the street.
Mr. SPECTER. So, you saw him when you were at point "A"?
Mrs. HILL. That's right--that's the reason I left that spot.
Mr. SPECTER. And he was at point "C" when you first saw him?
Mrs. HILL. That's right.
Mr. SPECTER. Did he move before you moved?
Mrs. HILL. His moving made me start after him.
Mr. SPECTER. So, he did move before you moved?
Mrs. HILL. Yes; and as I came across the street--as I said--I never
did see Mrs. Kennedy get up or anything, because when I ran across the
street, the first motorcycle that was right behind her nearly hit me
turning around, because I looked up in his face and he was looking all
around.
Mr. SPECTER. You mean the policeman?
Mrs. HILL. Yes; and I don't think he ever did see me. I just looked at
him and dodged then because I thought his wheel was going to hit me,
and I don't think he ever did see me, and I ran across through there
and started up the hill. When I looked down on the ground, I mean, as I
was running up the hill to catch that man, I looked down and saw some
red stuff and I thought, "Oh, they got him, he's bleeding," and this is
embarrassing, but it turned out to be Koolade or some sort of red drink.
Mr. SPECTER. You thought they had gotten the man who was running away?
Mrs. HILL. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. You thought that perhaps the second burst of shots you
heard were being directed toward him by the Secret Service?
Mrs. HILL. I just thought, "Oh, goodness, the Secret Service is
shooting back."
Mr. SPECTER. Can you describe what that man looked like?