Mr. BELIN. Did he talk to you, by the way, about his testimony when he
got back from Washington? Did he talk to you about his testimony in
front of the Commission?
Mrs. ROWLAND. No.
Mr. BELIN. Has he ever talked to you about his testimony? Before you
came down here, for instance, has he talked to you about what he said
in front of the Commission?
Mrs. ROWLAND. Not that I remember.
Mr. BELIN. Going back to his interview with the police, do you know how
many interviews he had after the one on Sunday, November 24?
Mrs. ROWLAND. I think he had about six or eight interviews in all. I
mean all inclusive.
Mr. BELIN. Would that include the one with Mr. Howlett telling him to
go to Washington?
Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes. I am not positive of the number.
Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this. From November 24 to November 30, that
week, do you know how many interviews he had?
Mrs. ROWLAND. No; I don't know.
Mr. BELIN. Now, has he ever told you that he had seen anyone else on
the sixth floor other than this man with the gun that you described in
the southwest corner window?
Mrs. ROWLAND. No, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Has he ever told you that he told anyone else that he saw
anyone else on the sixth floor?
Mrs. ROWLAND. No, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Did your husband ever complain to you that he was being
questioned too much by any law enforcement agency?
Mrs. ROWLAND. I don't think so, not that I remember.
Mr. BELIN. Did he ever complain to you that any statement that he gave
was not taken down?
Mrs. ROWLAND. Not that I remember.
Mr. BELIN. Was there any complaint that he ever made to you about law
enforcement agencies?
Mrs. ROWLAND. Not about the law enforcement agencies, but in the Dallas
Morning News on February 11, 14--11th or 14th, they had an article in
there, and they had some things in the article that he didn't say.
Mr. BELIN. Like what?
Mrs. ROWLAND. Like that the man was good looking. I mean, because he
said he couldn't recognize the man. That is what he told me.
Mr. BELIN. Apart from what the Dallas Morning News said, then, did he
have any complaints about his contacts with either the FBI or Secret
Service or the sheriffs office or the city police of Dallas?
Mrs. ROWLAND. None that I remember.
Mr. BELIN. Mrs. Rowland, you made a statement toward the beginning part
of this deposition that your husband said that he had all A's, but that
you knew different, because you had seen the report card.
Mrs. ROWLAND. He said he had an A average.
Mr. BELIN. But that you knew different?
Mrs. ROWLAND. Well, he may have had an A average overall A average, but
some of his cards didn't have A's altogether.
Mr. BELIN. Well, you mentioned that he had A's and B's and some C's and
some D's?
Mrs. ROWLAND. The one I saw.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what years those would have been for?
Mrs. ROWLAND. No, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Sometimes some people are prone to exaggerate more than
others, and without in any way meaning to take away from the testimony
of your husband as to what he saw in the building at the time, just
from your general experience, do you feel you can rely on everything
that your husband says?
Mrs. ROWLAND. I don't feel that I can rely on everything anybody says.
Mr. BELIN. Well, this is really an unfair question for me to ask any
wife about her husband, and I am not asking it very correctly, but----
Mrs. ROWLAND. At times my husband is prone to exaggerate. Does that
answer it?
Mr. BELIN. I think it does.
Is there anything else you want to add to that, or not?
Mrs. ROWLAND. Usually his exaggerations are not concerned with anything
other than himself. They are usually to boast his ego. They usually say
that he is really smarter than he is, or he is a better salesman than
he is, something like that.
Mr. BELIN. Anything else you care to add?
Mrs. ROWLAND. No, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Again, I apologize for any--for in any way trying to
embarrass you or anything, but your husband did see a man on the sixth
floor and it is important for us to try and find out everything we can
to test his accuracy as to what he saw, and so this is why I have been
asking these questions.
You and I have never met before?
Mrs. ROWLAND. Not that I ever remember.
Mr. BELIN. When we did meet, I immediately brought you in here and we
started taking your deposition under oath, isn't that true?
Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. We didn't chat about anything before we started taking your
deposition, did we?
Mrs. ROWLAND. No.
Mr. BELIN. Now you mentioned the fact that the newspaper misquoted your
husband?
Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Is there any other time when you know that he complained
about being misquoted insofar as the facts of the assassination are
concerned?
Mrs. ROWLAND. When we had our first written statement, the police
officer, I believe he was an FBI agent, restated everything we said,
and it was typed in the--in that form. But he also asked if it was,
if that was the general meaning of what we had said, so he didn't
complain. But anyway, it wasn't in his exact words, I mean.
Mr. BELIN. Was there anything inaccurate about the statement?
Mrs. ROWLAND. No; I don't think so.
Mr. BELIN. Did your husband ever make any complaints to you about
anything inaccurate in any statements that he had given?
Mrs. ROWLAND. If he did, I don't remember it.
Mr. BELIN. Is there anything else that you can think of that might in
any way be relevant to this whole area of inquiry?
Mrs. ROWLAND. No, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this. Did you or your husband rather, ever
see a picture of Lee Harvey Oswald on television?
Mrs. ROWLAND. I saw either the actual shooting on television of Mr.
Oswald or either a rerun, and I saw his picture in the newspaper, but I
don't know if my husband ever saw it or not.
But he did--we heard on the radio the afternoon of the assassination
that Lee Harvey Oswald had been accused of the shooting.
Mr. BELIN. Did you or your husband know anyone by the name of Lee
Harvey Oswald?
Mr. ROWLAND. No, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Did you or your husband know Jack Ruby?
Mrs. ROWLAND. Not to my knowledge, I never have known him, and I don't
think he has. If he has, he never told me.
Mr. BELIN. Anything else you can think of?
Mrs. ROWLAND. No, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Well, we certainly appreciate your coming down here. You
have been most helpful, Mrs. Rowland.
One final thing. You have an opportunity to either come back and read
what the court reporter has, the transcript after it is typed, and sign
it, or else you can waive coming down and taking the time to read it
and sign it, and have it go directly to Washington.
Do you care to come down to read it?
Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. If you like to, you have every right to do so.
Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes; I would.
Mr. BELIN. You will be contacted then, and you can come down and read
it and make any corrections, if you like.
Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes; could I, other than making corrections have it
rewritten in better English?
Mr. BELIN. No, I'm afraid my English at times isn't very good,
Mrs. Rowland, and we have to let it go the way it is right now. By
corrections, I mean anything where you feel the court reporter might
not have accurately transcribed the words that you and I said here.
Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. If either one used bad grammar, the English teachers will
have to look down their noses at us.
Thank you.
Mrs. ROWLAND. Thank you.