ANIMADVERSIONS UPON THE BISHOP’S REPLY, NO. XXIV.

(_a_) “That poor discourse which I mention, was not written against any

divines, but in way of examination of a French treatise, &c”. This is in

reply to those words of mine, “this discourse containeth his opinion

about reconciling liberty with the prescience and decrees of God,

otherwise than some divines have done, against whom he had formerly

written a treatise”. If the French treatise were according to his mind,

what need was there that the examination should be written? If it were

not to his mind, it was in confutation of him, that is to say, written

against the author of it: unless perhaps the Bishop thinks that he

writes not against a man, unless he charge him with blasphemy and

atheism, as he does me.

(_b_) “My assertion is most true, that we ought not to desert a certain

truth, because we are not able to comprehend the certain manner.” To

this I answered, that it was true; and as he alleged it for a reason why

he should not be of my opinion, so I alleged it for a reason why I

should not be of his. But now in his reply he saith, that his opinion is

“a truth demonstrable in reason, received and believed by all the world.

And therefore, though he be not able to comprehend or express exactly

the certain manner how this liberty of will consists with God’s eternal

prescience and decrees, yet he ought to adhere to that truth which is

manifest.” But why should he adhere to it, unless it be manifest to

himself? And if it be manifest to himself, why does he deny that he is

able to comprehend it? And if he be not able to comprehend it, how knows

he that it is demonstrable? Or why says he that so confidently, which he

does not know? Methinks that which I have said, namely, that “that which

God foreknows shall be hereafter, cannot but be hereafter, and at the

same time that he foreknew it should be; but that which cannot but be,

is necessary; therefore what God foreknows, shall be necessarily, and at

the time foreknown”: this I say looketh somewhat liker to a

demonstration, than any thing that he hath hitherto brought to prove

free will. Another reason why I should be of his opinion, is that he is

“in possession of an old truth derived to him by inheritance or

succession from his ancestors”. To which I answer, first, that I am in

possession of a truth derived to me from the light of reason. Secondly,

that whereas he knoweth not whether it be the truth that he possesseth,

or not; because he confesseth he knows not how it can consist with God’s

prescience and decrees; I have sufficiently shewn that my opinion of

necessity not only agrees with, but necessarily followeth from the

eternal prescience and decrees of God. Besides, it is an unhandsome

thing for a man to derive his opinion concerning truth by succession

from his ancestors; for our ancestors, the first Christians, derived not

therefore their truth from the Gentiles, because they were their

ancestors.

(_c_) “To pass by all the other great imperfections which are to be

found in this sorite, it is just like an old philosophical piece: he

that drinks well, sleeps well; he that sleeps well, thinks no hurt; he

that thinks no hurt, lives well; therefore he that drinks well, lives

well.” My argument was thus: “election is always from the memory of good

and evil sequels; memory is always from the sense; and sense always from

the action of external bodies; and all action from God; therefore all

actions, even of free and voluntary agents, are from God, and

consequently necessary”. Let the Bishop compare now his scurrilous

argumentation with this of mine; and tell me, whether he that sleeps

well, doth all his lifetime think no hurt.

(_d_) “In the very last passage of my discourse I proposed my own

private opinion, how it might be made appear that the eternal prescience

and decrees of God are consistent with true liberty and contingency,

&c.” If he had meant by liberty, as other men do, the liberty of action,

that is, of things which are in his power to do which he will, it had

been an easy matter to reconcile it with the prescience and decrees of

God; but meaning the liberty of will, it was impossible. So likewise, if

by contingency he had meant simply coming to pass, it had been

reconcilable with the decrees of God; but meaning coming to pass without

necessity, it was impossible. And therefore though it be true he says,

that “he set it down in as plain terms as he could”, yet it was

impossible to set it down in plain terms. Nor ought he to charge me with

misunderstanding him, and wresting his words to a wrong sense. For the

truth is, I did not understand them at all, nor thought he understood

them himself; but was willing to give them the best interpretation they

would bear; which he calls wresting them to a wrong sense. And first, I

understood not what he meant by the aspect of God. For if he had meant

his foreknowledge, which word he had often used before; what needed he

in this one place only to call it _aspect_? Or what need he here call it

his _view_? Or say that all things are open to the eyes of God not

_discursively_, but _intuitively_; which is to expound _eyes_ in that

text, Hebr. iv. 13, not figuratively but literally, nevertheless

excluding _external species_, which the Schoolmen say are the cause of

seeing? But it was well done to exclude such insignificant speeches,

upon every occasion whatsoever. And though I do not hold the

foreknowledge of God to consist in _discourse_; yet I shall be never

driven to say it is by _intuition_, as long as I know that even a man

hath foreknowledge of all those things which he intendeth himself to do,

not by discourse, but by knowing his own purpose; saving that man hath a

superior power over him, that can change his purpose; which God hath

not. And whereas he says, I confound this aspect with the will and

decrees of God, he accuseth me wrongfully. For how could I so confound

it, when I understood not what it meant?

(_e_) “Secondly, he chargeth me, that hitherto I have maintained that

‘liberty and the decrees of God are irreconcileable’”. And the reason

why I do so is, because he maintained that liberty and the absolute

necessity of all things are irreconcileable. If liberty cannot stand

with necessity, it cannot stand with the decrees of God, of which

decrees necessity is a consequent. I needed not to say, nor did say,

that necessity and God’s decrees are all one: though if I had said it,

it had not been without authority of learned men, in whose writings are

often found this sentence, _voluntas Dei, necessitas rerum_.

(_f_) “But to cut his argument short: God hath decreed all effects which

come to pass in time, yet not all after the same manner, but according

to the distinct natures, capacities, and conditions of his creatures;

which he doth not destroy by his decree: some he acteth.” Hitherto true.

Then he addeth: “with some he co-operateth by special influence; and

some he only permitteth; yet this is no idle or bare permission”. This

is false. For nothing operateth by its own original power, but God

himself. Man operateth not but by special power, (I say special power,

not special influence), derived from God. Nor is it by God’s permission

only, as I have often already shown, and as the Bishop here

contradicting his former words confesseth. For _to permit only_, and

_barely to permit_, signify the same thing. And that which he says, that

God _concurs by way of general influence_, is jargon. For every

concurrence is one singular and individual concurrence; and nothing in

the world is general, but the signification of words and other signs.

(_g_) “Thirdly, he chargeth me, that ‘I allow all men to be of his

opinion, save only those that conceive in their minds a _nunc stans_, or

how eternity is an indivisible point, rather than an everlasting

succession.’ But I have given no such allowance.” Surely if the reason

wherefore my opinion is false, proceed from this, that I conceive not

eternity to be _nunc stans_, but an everlasting succession, I am allowed

to hold my opinion till I can conceive eternity otherwise: at least he

allows men not till then to be of his opinion. For he hath said, “that

the main impediment which keeps men from subscribing to that way of his,

is because they conceive eternity to be an everlasting succession, and

not one indivisible point”. As for the many other ways which he says are

“proposed by divines for reconciling the eternal prescience and decrees

of God with the liberty and contingency of second causes”, if they mean

such liberty and contingency as the Bishop meaneth, they are proposed in

vain; for truth and error can never be reconciled. But “however,” saith

he, “though a man could comprehend none of all these ways, yet we must

remember that a certain truth ought not to be rejected, because we are

not able to understand the reason of it.” For “he knows,” he says, “the

loadstone hath an attractive power to draw the iron to it, and yet he

knoweth not how it cometh to have such a power.” I know the load-stone

hath no such attractive power; and yet I know that the iron cometh to

it, or it to the iron; and therefore wonder not, that the Bishop knoweth

not how it cometh to have that power. In the next place he saith, I

bring nothing to prove that eternity is not an indivisible point, but my

own incapacity “that I cannot conceive it”. The truth is, I cannot

dispute neither for nor against (as he can do) the positions I

understand not. Nor do I understand what derogation it can be to the

divine perfection, to attribute to it potentiality, that is (in English)

power, and successive duration; for such attributes are often given to

it in the Scripture.

(_h_) “He saith moreover, that ‘he understands as little how it can be

true which I say, that God is not just, but justice itself, nor eternal,

but eternity itself’. It seems, howsoever he be versed in this question,

that he hath not troubled his head over-much with reading

School-divines, or metaphysicians.” They are unseemly words to be said

of God: I will not say, blasphemous and atheistical, which are the

attributes he gives to my opinions, because I do not think them spoken

out of an evil mind, but out of error: they are, I say, unseemly words

to be said of God, that he is not just, that he is not eternal, and (as

he also said) that he is not wise; and cannot be excused by any

following _but_, especially when the _but_ is followed by that which is

not to be understood. Can any man understand how justice is just, or

wisdom wise? and whereas justice is an accident, one of the moral

virtues, and wisdom another; how God is an accident or moral virtue? It

is more than the Schoolmen or metaphysicians can understand; whose

writings have troubled my head more than they should have done, if I had

known that amongst so many senseless disputes, there had been so few

lucid intervals. But I have considered since, where men will undertake

to reason out of natural philosophy of the incomprehensible nature of

God, that it is impossible they should speak intelligibly, or in other

language than metaphysic, wherein they may contradict themselves, and

not perceive it; as he does here, when he says, “the attributes of God

are not diverse virtues or qualities in him, as they are in the

creatures, but really one and the same with the divine essence and

amongst themselves, and attributed to God to supply the defect of our

capacity”. Attributes are names; and therefore it is a contradiction, to

say they are really one and the same with the divine essence. But if he

mean the virtues signified by the attributes, as justice, wisdom,

eternity, divinity, &c; so also they are virtues, and not one virtue,

(which is still a contradiction); and we give those attributes to God,

not to shew that we apprehend how they are in him, but to signify how we

think it best to honour him.

(_i_) “‘In the next place he will help me to understand,’ he says, ‘how

eternity is an indivisible point.’ The divine substance is indivisible;

but eternity is the divine substance. The major is evident, because God

is _actus simplicissimus_; the minor hath been clearly demonstrated in

my answer to his last doubt, and is confessed by all men, that

whatsoever is attributed to God is God.” The major is so far from being

evident, that _actus simplicissimus_ signifieth nothing. The minor is

said by some men, thought by no man; for whatsoever is thought, is

understood. And all that he hath elsewhere and here dilated upon it, is

as perfect nonsense, as any man ever writ on purpose to make merry with.

And so is that whereby he answers to my objection, that a point cannot

comprehend all time, which is successive; namely, his distinction, that

“a point doth not comprehend all time _formally_, as time is successive;

but _eminently_ and _virtually_, as eternity is infinite”. And this,

“to-day all eternity is co-existent with this day, and to-morrow all

eternity will be co-existent with to-morrow”. It is well that his

eternity is now come from a _nunc stans_ to be a _nunc fluens_, flowing

from this day to the next, and so on. This kind of language is never

found in the Scripture. No, but the thing, saith he, is found there,

namely, that God is infinite in all his attributes. I would he could

shew me the place where God is said to be infinite in all his

attributes. There be places enough to shew that God is infinite in

power, in wisdom, mercy, &c: but neither is he said to be infinite in

names (which is the English of attributes), nor that he is an

indivisible point, nor that a point doth comprehend time eminently and

virtually; nor that to-day all eternity is co-existent with to-day, &c.

And thus much in answer to his reply upon my answer. That which

remaineth, is my reply upon his answer to my positive doctrine on this

subject.

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