But Ireland has been more than this--it has been a land of evictions--a

word which, I suspect, is scarcely known in any other civilized country.

It is a country from which thousands of families have been driven by the

will of the landowners and the power of the law. It is a country where

have existed, to a great extent, those dread tribunals known by the

common name of secret societies, by which, in pursuit of what some men

have thought to be justice, there have been committed crimes of

appalling guilt in the eye of the whole world. It is a country, too, in

which--and it is the only Christian country of which it may be said for

some centuries past--it is a country in which a famine of the most

desolating character has prevailed even during our own time. I think I

was told in 1849, as I stood in the burial-ground at Skibbereen, that at

least 400 people who had died of famine were buried within the quarter

of an acre of ground on which I was then looking. It is a country, too,

from which there has been a greater emigration by sea within a given

time than has been known at any time from any other country in the

world. It is a country where there has been, for generations past, a

general sense of wrong, out of which has grown a state of chronic

insurrection; and at this very moment when I speak, the general

safeguard of constitutional liberty is withdrawn, and we meet in this

hall, and I speak here tonight, rather by the forbearance and permission

of the Irish executive than under the protection of the common

safeguards of the rights and liberties of the people of the United

Kingdom.

I venture to say that this is a miserable and a humiliating picture to

draw of this country. Bear in mind that I am not speaking of Poland

suffering under the conquest of Russia. There is a gentleman, now a

candidate for an Irish county, who is very great upon the wrongs of

Poland; but I have found him always in the House of Commons taking sides

with that great party which has systematically supported the wrongs of

Ireland. I am not speaking about Hungary, or of Venice as she was under

the rule of Austria, or of the Greeks under the dominion of the Turk,

but I am speaking of Ireland--part of the United Kingdom--part of that

which boasts itself to be the most civilized and the most Christian

nation in the world. I took the liberty recently, at a meeting in

Glasgow, to say that I believed it was impossible for a class to govern

a great nation wisely and justly. Now, in Ireland there has been a field

in which all the principles of the Tory party have had their complete

experiment and development. You have had the country gentleman in all

his power. You have had any number of Acts of Parliament which the

ancient Parliament of Ireland or the Parliament of the United Kingdom

could give him. You have had the Established Church supported by the

law, even to the extent, not many years ago, of collecting its revenues

by the aid of military force. In point of fact, I believe it would be

impossible to imagine a state of things in which the principles of the

Tory party have had a more entire and complete opportunity for their

trial than they have had within the limits of this island. And yet what

has happened? This, surely. That the kingdom has been continually

weakened--that the harmony of the empire has been disturbed, and that

the mischief has not been confined to the United Kingdom, but has spread

to the Colonies. And at this moment, as we know by every arrival from

the United States, the colony of Canada is exposed to danger of

invasion--that it is forced to keep on foot soldiers which it otherwise

would not want, and to involve itself in expenses which threaten to be

ruinous to its financial condition, and all that it may defend itself

from Irishmen hostile to England who are settled in the United States.

In fact, the Government of Lord Derby at this moment is doing exactly

that which the Government of Lord North did nearly a hundred years ago--

it is sending out troops across the Atlantic to fight Irishmen who are

the bitter enemies of England on the American continent. Now, I believe

every gentleman in this room will admit that all that I have said is

literally true. And if it be true, what conclusion are we to come to? Is

it that the law which rules in Ireland is bad, but the people good; or

that the law is good, but the people bad? Now, let us, if we can, get

rid for a moment of Episcopalianism, Presbyterianism, Protestantism, and

Orangeism on the one hand, and of Catholicism, Romanism, and Ultra-

montanism on the other,--let us for a moment get beyond all these

'isms,' and try if we can discover what it is that is the great evil in

your country. I shall ask you only to turn your eye upon two points--the

first is the Established Church, and the second is the tenure of land.

The Church may be said to affect the soul and sentiment of the country,

and the land question may be said to affect the means of life and the

comforts of the people.

I shall not blame the bishops and clergy of the Established Church.

There may be, and I doubt not there are amongst them, many pious and

devoted men, who labour to the utmost of their power to do good in the

district which is committed to their care; but I venture to say this,

that if they were all good and all pious, it would not in a national

point of view compensate for this one fatal error--the error of their

existence as the ministers of an Established Protestant Church in

Ireland. Every man of them is necessarily in his district a symbol of

the supremacy of the few and of the subjection of the many; and although

the amount of the revenue of the Established Church as the sum payable

by the whole nation may not be considerable, yet bear in mind that it is

often the galling of the chain which is more tormenting than the weight

of it. I believe that the removal of the Established Church would create

a new political and social atmosphere in Ireland--that it would make the

people feel that old things had passed away--that all things had become

new--that an Irishman and his faith were no longer to be condemned in

his own country--and that for the first time the English people and the

English Parliament intended to do full justice to Ireland.

Now, leaving the Established Church, I come to the question of the land.

I have said that the ownership of the land in Ireland came originally

from conquest and from confiscation, and, as a matter of course, there

was created a great gulf between the owner and the occupier, and from

that time to this doubtless there has been wanting that sympathy which

exists to a large extent in Great Britain, and that ought to exist in

every country. I am told--you can answer it if I am wrong--that it is

not common in Ireland now to give leases to tenants, especially to

Catholic tenants. If that be so, then the security for the property of

the tenant rests only upon the good feeling and favour of the owner of

the land, for the laws, as we know, have been made by the landowners,

and many propositions for the advantage of the tenants have

unfortunately been too little considered by Parliament. The result is

that you have bad farming, bad dwelling-houses, bad temper, and

everything bad connected with the occupation and cultivation of land in

Ireland. One of the results--a result the most appalling--is this, that

your population are fleeing from your country and seeking a refuge in a

distant land. On this point I wish to refer to a letter which I received

a few days ago from a most esteemed citizen of Dublin. He told me that

he believed that a very large portion of what he called the poor,

amongst Irishmen, sympathized with any scheme or any proposition that

was adverse to the Imperial Government. He said further, that the people

here are rather in the country than of it, and that they are looking

more to America than they are looking to England. I think there is a

good deal in that. When we consider how many Irishmen have found a

refuge in America, I do not know how we can wonder at that statement.

You will recollect that when the ancient Hebrew prophet prayed in his

captivity he prayed with his window opened towards Jerusalem. You know

that the followers of Mahommed, when they pray, turn their faces towards

Mecca. When the Irish peasant asks for food, and freedom, and blessing,

his eye follows the setting sun; the aspirations of his heart reach

beyond the wide Atlantic, and in spirit he grasps hands with the great

Republic of the West. If this be so, I say, then, that the disease is

not only serious, but it is even desperate; but desperate as it is, I

believe there is a certain remedy for it, if the people and the

Parliament of the United Kingdom are willing to apply it. Now, if it

were possible, would it not be worth while to change the sentiments and

improve the condition of the Irish cultivators of the soil? If we were

to remove the State Church, there would still be a Church, but it would

not be a supremacy Church. The Catholics of Ireland have no idea of

saying that Protestantism in its various forms shall not exist in their

island. There would still be a Church, but it would be a free Church of

a section of a free people. I will not go into details about the change.

Doubtless every man would say that the present occupants of the livings

should not, during their lifetime, be disturbed; but if the principle of

the abolition of the State Church were once fixed and accepted, it would

not be difficult to arrange the details that would be satisfactory to

the people of Ireland.

Who objects to this? The men who are in favour of supremacy, and the men

who have a fanatical hatred of what they call Popery. To honest and good

men of the Protestant Church and of the Protestant faith there is no

reason whatever to fear this change. What has the voluntary system done

in Scotland? What has it done amongst the Nonconformists of England?

What has it done amongst the population of Wales? and what has it done

amongst the Catholic population of your own Ireland? In my opinion, the

abolition of the Established Church would give Protestantism itself

another chance. I believe there has been in Ireland no other enemy of

Protestantism so injurious as the Protestant State Establishment. It has

been loaded for two hundred years with the sins of bad government and

bad laws, and whatever may have been the beauty and the holiness of its

doctrine or of its professors, it has not been able to hold its ground,

loaded as it has been by the sins of a bad government. One effect of the

Established Church has been this, the making Catholicism in Ireland not

only a faith but a patriotism, for it was not likely that any member of

the Catholic Church would incline in the slightest degree to

Protestantism so long as it presented itself to his eyes as a wrong-doer

and full of injustice in connection with the government of his country.

But if honest Protestantism has nothing to fear from the changes that I

would recommend, what has the honest landowner to fear? The history of

Europe and America for the last one hundred years affords scarcely any

picture more painful than that which is afforded by the landowners of

this kingdom. The Irish landowner has been different from every other

landowner, for the bulk of his land has only been about half cultivated,

and he has had to collect his rents by a process approaching the evils

of civil war. His property has been very insecure--the sale of it

sometimes has been rendered impossible. The landowner himself has often

been hated by those who ought to have loved him. He has been banished

from his ancestral home by terror, and not a few have lost their lives

without the sympathy of those who ought to have been their protectors

and their friends. I would like to ask, what can be much worse than

this? If in this country fifty years ago, as in Prussia, there had

arisen statesmen who would have taken one-third or one-half the land

from the landowners of Ireland, and made it over to their tenants, I

believe that the Irish landowner, great as would have been the injustice

of which he might have complained, would in all probability have been

richer and happier than he has been.

What is the first remedy which you would propose? Clearly this--that

which is the most easily applicable and which would most speedily touch

the condition of the country. It is this--that the property which the

tenant shall invest or create in his farm shall be secured to the tenant

by law. I believe that if Parliament were fairly to enact this it would

make a change in the whole temper of the country. I recollect in the

year 1849 being down in the county of Wexford. I called at the house of

an old farmer of the name of Stafford, who lived in a very good house,

the best farm-house, I think, that I had seen since leaving Dublin. He

lived on his own farm, which he had bought fifteen years before. The

house was a house which he had himself built. He was a venerable old

man, and we had some very interesting conversation with him. I asked how

it was he had so good a house? He said the farm was his own, and the

house was his own, and, as no man could disturb him, he had made it a

much better house than was common for the farmers of Ireland. I said to

him, 'If all the farmers of Ireland had the same security for the

capital they laid out on their farms, what would be the result?' The old

man almost sprang out of his chair, and said, 'Sir, if you will give us

that encouragement, we will _bate_ the hunger out of Ireland.' It

is said that all this must be left to contract between the landlord and

the tenant; but the public, which may be neither landlord nor tenant,

has a great interest in this question; and I maintain that the interests

of the public require that Parliament should secure to the tenant the

property which he has invested in his farm. But I would not stop here.

There is another, and what I should call a more permanent and far-

reaching remedy for the evils of Ireland, and those persons who stickle

so much for political economy I hope will follow me in this. The great

evil of Ireland is this--that the Irish people--the Irish nation--are

dispossessed of the soil, and what we ought to do is to provide for, and

aid in, their restoration to it by all measures of justice. Why should

we tolerate in Ireland the law of primogeniture? Why should we tolerate

the system of entails? Why should the object of the law be to accumulate

land in great masses in few hands, and to make it almost impossible for

persons of small means, and tenant-farmers, to become possessors of

land? If you go to other countries--for example, to Norway, to Denmark,

to Holland, to Belgium, to France, to Germany, to Italy, or to the

United States, you will find that in all these countries those laws of

which I complain have been abolished, and the land is just as free to

buy and sell, and hold and cultivate, as any other description of

property in the kingdom. No doubt your Landed Estates Court and your

Record of Titles Act were good measures, but they were good because they

were in the direction that I want to travel farther in.

But I would go farther than that; I would deal with the question of

absenteeism. I am not going to propose to tax absentees; but if my

advice were taken, we should have a Parliamentary Commission empowered

to buy up the large estates in Ireland belonging to the English

nobility, for the purpose of selling them on easy terms to the occupiers

of the farms and to the tenantry of Ireland. Now, let me be fairly

understood. I am not proposing to tax absentees; I am not proposing to

take any of their property from them; but I propose this, that a

Parliamentary Commission should be empowered to treat for the purchase

of those large estates with a view of selling them to the tenantry of

Ireland. Now, here are some of them--the present Prime Minister Lord

Derby, Lord Lansdowne, Lord Fitzwilliam, the Marquis of Hertford, the

Marquis of Bath, the Duke of Bedford, the Duke of Devonshire, and many

others. They have estates in Ireland; many of them, I dare say, are just

as well managed as any other estates in the country; but what you want

is to restore to Ireland a middle-class proprietary of the soil; and I

venture to say that if these estates could be purchased and could be

sold out farm by farm to the tenant occupiers in Ireland, that it would

be infinitely better in a conservative sense, than that they should

belong to great proprietors living out of the country.

I have said that the disease is desperate, and that the remedy must be

searching. I assert that the present system of government with regard to

the Church and with regard to the land has failed disastrously in

Ireland. Under it Ireland has become an object of commiseration to the

whole world, and a discredit to the United Kingdom, of which it forms a

part. It is a land of many sorrows. Men fight for supremacy, and call it

Protestantism; they fight for evil and bad laws, and they call it acting

for the defence of property. Now, are there no good men in Ireland of

those who are generally opposed to us in politics--are there none who

can rise above the level of party? If there be such, I wish my voice

might reach them. I have often asked myself whether patriotism is dead

in Ireland. Cannot all the people of Ireland see that the calamities of

their country are the creatures of the law, and if that be so, that just

laws only can remove these calamities?

If Irishmen were united--if your 105 Members were for the most part

agreed, you might do almost anything that you liked--you might do it

even in the present Parliament; but if you are disunited, then I know

not how you can gain anything from a Parliament created as the Imperial

Parliament is now. The classes who rule in Britain will hear your cry as

they have heard it before, and will pay no attention to it. They will

see your people leaving your shores, and they will think it no calamity

to the country. They know that they have force to suppress insurrection,

and, therefore, you can gain nothing from their fears. What, then, is

your hope? It is in a better Parliament, representing fairly the United

Kingdom--the movement which is now in force in England and Scotland, and

which is your movement as much as ours. If there were 100 more Members,

the representatives of large and free constituencies, then your cry

would be heard, and the people would give you that justice which a class

has so long denied you. The great party that is now in power--the Tory

party--denies that you have any just cause of complaint.

In a speech delivered the other day in Belfast, much was said of the

enforcement of the law; but there was nothing said about any change or

amendment in the law. With this party terror is their only specific,--

they have no confidence in allegiance except where there is no power to

rebel. Now, I differ from these men entirely. I believe that at the root

of a general discontent there is in all countries a general grievance

and general suffering. The surface of society is not incessantly

disturbed without a cause. I recollect in the poem of the greatest of

Italian poets, he tells us that as he saw in vision the Stygian lake,

and stood upon its banks, he observed the constant commotion upon the

surface of the pool, and his good instructor and guide explained to him

the cause of it--

'This, too, for certain know, that underneath

The water dwells a multitude, whose sighs

Into these bubbles make the surface heave,

As thine eye tells thee wheresoe'er it turn.'

And I say in Ireland for generations back, that the misery and the

wrongs of the people have made their sign, and have found a voice in

constant insurrection and disorder. I have said that Ireland is a

country of many wrongs and of many sorrows. Her past lies almost all in

shadow. Her present is full of anxiety and peril. Her future depends on

the power of her people to substitute equality and justice for

supremacy, and a generous patriotism for the spirit of faction. In the

effort now making in Great Britain to create a free representation of

the people you have the deepest interest. The people never wish to

suffer, and they never wish to inflict injustice. They have no sympathy

with the wrong-doer, whether in Great Britain or in Ireland; and when

they are fairly represented in the Imperial Parliament, as I hope they

will one day be, they will speedily give an effective and final answer

to that old question of the Parliament of Kilkenny--'How comes it to

pass that the King has never been the richer for Ireland?'

* * * * *

IRELAND.

VII.

DUBLIN, NOVEMBER 2, 1866.

[This speech was spoken at a public meeting held in Dublin, at which an

Address from the Trades was presented to Mr. Bright. James Haughton,

Esq., was in the Chair.]

When I came to your city I was asked if I would attend a public meeting

on the question of Parliamentary Reform. I answered that I was not in

good order for much speaking, for I have suffered, as I am afraid you

will find before I come to the end of my speech, from much cold and

hoarseness; but it was urged upon me that there were at least some, and

not an inconsiderable number, of the working men of this city who would

be glad if I would meet them; and it was proposed to offer me some

address of friendship and confidence such as that which has been read. I

have no complaint to make of it but this, that whilst I do not say it

indicates too much kindness, yet that it colours too highly the small

services which I have been able to render to any portion of my

countrymen. Your countrymen are reckoned generally to be a people of

great gratitude and of much enthusiasm, and, therefore, I accept the

Address with all the kindness and feelings of friendship with which it

has been offered, and I hope it will be, at least in some degree, a

stimulant to me, in whatever position of life I am placed, to remember,

as I have ever in past times remembered, the claims of the people of

this island to complete and equal justice with the people of Great

Britain.

Now, there may be persons in this room, I should be surprised if there

were not, who doubt whether it is worth their while even to hope for

substantial justice, as this address says, from a Parliament sitting in

London. If there be such a man in this room let him understand that I am

not the man to condemn him or to express surprise at the opinion at

which he has arrived. But I would ask him in return for that, that he

would give me at least for a few minutes a patient hearing, and he will

find that, whether justice may come from the north or the south, or the

east or the west, I, at any rate, stand as a friend of the most complete

justice to the people of this island. When discussing the question of

Parliamentary Reform, I have often heard it asserted that the people of

Ireland, and I am not speaking of those who are hopeless of good from a

Parliament in London, but that the people of Ireland generally imagine

that the question of Parliamentary Reform has very little importance for

them. Now I undertake to say, and I think I can make it clear to this

meeting, that whatever be the importance of that question to any man in

England or Scotland, if the two islands are to continue under Imperial

Parliamentary Government, it is of more importance to every Irishman.

You know that the Parliament of which I am a Member contains 658

Members, of whom 105 cross the Channel from Ireland, and when they go to

London they meet--supposing all the Members of the House of Commons are

gathered together--553 Members who are returned for Great Britain. Now,

suppose that all your 105 Members were absolutely good and honourable

representatives of the people of Ireland--I will not say Tories, or

Whigs, or Radicals, or Repealers, but anything you like,--let every man

imagine that all these Members were exactly the sort of men he would

wish to go from Ireland,--when the 105 arrive in London they meet with

the 553 who are returned from Great Britain. Now, suppose that the

system of Parliamentary representation in Great Britain is very bad,

that it represents very few persons in that great island, and that those

who appear to be represented are distributed in the small boroughs over

different parts of the country, and in the counties under the thumb and

finger of the landlords, it is clear that the whole Parliament, although

your 105 Members may be very good men, must still be a very bad

Parliament. Therefore, if any man imagines--and I should think no man

can imagine--that the representation of the people in Ireland is in a

very good state--still, if he fancies it is in a good state--unless the

representation of Great Britain were at least equally good, you might

have a hundred excellent Irish Members in Parliament at Westminster; but

the whole 658 Members might be a very bad Parliament for the United

Kingdom.

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