For a time, many thought that there would be no war. Whilst the reins

were slipping from the hands--the too feeble hands--of Mr. Buchanan into

the grasp of President Lincoln, there was a moment when men thought that

we were about to see the wonderful example of a great question, which in

all other countries would have involved a war, settled perhaps by

moderation--some moderation on one side, and some concession on the

other; and so long as men believed that there would be no war, so long

everybody condemned the South. We were afraid of a war in America,

because we knew that one of the great industries of our country depended

upon the continuous reception of its raw material from the Southern

States. But it was a folly--it was a gross absurdity--for any man to

believe, with the history of the world before him, that the people, of

the Northern States, twenty millions, with their free Government, would

for one moment sit down satisfied with the dismemberment of their

country, and make no answer to the war which had been commenced by the

South.

I speak not in justification of war. I am only treating this question

upon principles which are almost universally acknowledged throughout the

world, and by an overwhelming majority even of those men who accept the

Christian religion; and it is only upon those principles, so almost

universally acknowledged, and acknowledged as much in this country as

anywhere else--it is only just that we should judge the United States

upon those principles upon which we in this country would be likely to

act.

But the North did not yield to the dismemberment of their country, and

they did not allow a conspiracy of Southern politicians and slaveholders

to seize their forts and arsenals without preparing for resistance.

Then, when the people of England found that the North were about to

resist, and that war was inevitable, they turned their eyes from the

South, which was the beginner of the war, and looked to the North,

saying that, if the North would not resist, there could be no war, and

that we should get our cotton, and trade would go on as before; and

therefore, from that hour to this, not a few persons in this country,

who at first condemned the South, have been incessant in their

condemnation of the North.

Now, I believe this is a fair statement of the feeling which prevailed

when the first news of secession arrived, and of the change of opinion

which took place in a few weeks, when it was found that, by the

resolution of the North to maintain the integrity of their country, war,

and civil war, was unavoidable. The trade interests of the country

affected our opinion; and I fear did then prevent, and have since

prevented, our doing justice to the people of the North.

Now I am going to transport you, in mind, to Lancashire, and the

interests of Lancashire, which, after all, are the interests of the

whole United Kingdom, and clearly of not a few in this metropolis. What

was the condition of our greatest manufacturing industry before the war,

and before secession had been practically attempted? It was this: that

almost ninety per cent. of all our cotton came from the Southern States

of the American Union, and was, at least nine-tenths of it, the produce

of the uncompensated labour of the negro.

Everybody knew that we were carrying on a prodigious industry upon a

most insecure foundation; and it was the commonest thing in the world

for men who were discussing the present and the future of the cotton

trade, whether in Parliament or out of it, to point to the existence of

slavery in the United States of America as the one dangerous thing in

connection with that great trade; and it was one of the reasons which

stimulated me on several occasions to urge upon the Government of this

country to improve the Government of India, and to give us a chance of

receiving a considerable portion of our supply from India, so that we

might not be left in absolute want when the calamity occurred, which all

thoughtful men knew must some day come, in the United States.

Now, I maintain that with a supply of cotton mainly derived from the

Southern States, and raised by slave labour, two things are

indisputable: first, that the supply must always be insufficient; and

second, that it must always be insecure. Perhaps many of you are not

aware that in the United States--I am speaking of the Slave States, and

the cotton-growing States--the quantity of land which is cultivated for

cotton is a mere garden, a mere plot, in comparison with the whole of

the cotton region. I speak from the authority of a report lately

presented to the Boston Chamber of Commerce, containing much important

information on this question; and I believe that the whole acreage, or

the whole breadth of the land on which cotton is grown in America, does

not exceed ten thousand square miles--that is, a space one hundred miles

long and one hundred miles broad, or the size of two of our largest

counties in England; but the land of the ten chief cotton-producing

States is sixty times as much as that, being, I believe, about twelve

times the size of England and Wales.

It cannot be, therefore, because there has not been land enough that we

have not in former years had cotton enough; it cannot be that there has

not been a demand for the produce of the land, for the demand has

constantly outstripped the supply; it has not been because the price has

not been sufficient, for, as is well known, the price has been much

higher of late years, and the profit to the planter much greater; and

yet, notwithstanding the land and the demand, and the price and the

profit, the supply of cotton has not been sufficient for the wants of

the spinners and the manufacturers of the world, and for the wants of

civilization.

The particular facts with regard to this I need not, perhaps, enter

into; but I find, if I compare the prices of cotton in Liverpool from

1856 to 1860 with the prices from 1841 to 1845, that every pound of

cotton brought from America and sold in Liverpool fetched in the last

five years more than twenty per cent in excess of what it did in the

former five years, notwithstanding that we were every year in greater

difficulties through finding our supply of cotton insufficient.

But what was the reason that we did not get enough? It was because there

was not labour enough in the Southern States. You see every day in the

newspapers that there are four millions of slaves, but of those four

millions of slaves some are growing tobacco, some rice, and some sugar;

a very large number are employed in domestic servitude, and a large

number in factories, mechanical operations, and business in towns; and

there remain only about one million negroes, or only one-quarter of the

whole number, who are regularly engaged in the cultivation of cotton.

Now, you will see that the production of cotton and its continued

increase must depend upon the constantly increasing productiveness of

the labour of those one million negroes, and on the natural increase of

population from them. Well, the increase of the population of the slaves

in the United States is rather less than two and a-half per cent, per

annum, and the increase on the million will be about twenty-five

thousand a-year; and the increased production of cotton from that

increased amount of labour consisting of twenty-five thousand more

negroes every year will probably never exceed--I believe it has not

reached--one hundred and fifty thousand bales per annum. The exact facts

with regard to this are these: that in the ten years from 1841 to 1850

the average crop was 2,173,000 bales, and in the ten years from 1851 to

1860 it was 3,252,000, being an increase of 1,079,000 bales in the ten

years, or only about 100,000 bales of increase per annum.

I have shown that the increase of production must depend upon the

increase of labour, because every other element is in abundance--soil,

climate, and so forth. (A Voice: 'How about sugar?') A Gentleman asks

about sugar. If in any particular year there was an extravagant profit

upon cotton, there might be, and there probably would be, some

abstraction of labour from the cultivation of tobacco, and rice, and

sugar, in order to apply it to cotton, and a larger temporary increase,

of growth might take place; but I have given you the facts with regard

to the last twenty years, and I think you will see that my statement is

correct. Now, can this be remedied under slavery? I will show you how it

cannot. And first of all, everybody who is acquainted with American

affairs knows that there is not very much migration of the population of

the Northern States into the Southern States to engage in the ordinary

occupations of agricultural labour. Labour is not honourable and is not

honoured in the South; and therefore free labourers from the North are

not likely to go South. Again, of all the emigration from this country--

amounting as it did, in the fifteen years from 1846 to 1860, to two

millions five hundred thousand persons, being equal to the whole of the

population of this great city--a mere trifle went South and settled

there to pursue the occupation of agriculture; they remained in the

North, where labour is honourable and honoured.

Whence, then, could the planters of the South receive their increasing

labour? Only from the slave-ship and the coast of Africa. But,

fortunately for the world, the United States Government has never yet

become so prostrate under the heel of the slave-owner as to consent to

the reopening of the slave-trade. Therefore the Southern planter was in

this unfortunate position: he could not tempt, perhaps he did not want,

free labourers from the North; he could not tempt, perhaps he did not

want, free labourers from Europe; and if he did want, he was not

permitted to fetch slave labour from Africa. Well, that being so, we

arrive at this conclusion--that whilst the cultivation of cotton was

performed by slave labour, you were shut up for your hope of increased

growth to the small increase that was possible with the increase of two

and a half per cent per annum in the population of the slaves, about one

million in number, that have been regularly employed in the cultivation

of cotton.

Then, if the growth was thus insufficient--and I as one connected with

the trade can speak very clearly upon that point--I ask you whether the

production and the supply were not necessarily insecure by reason of the

institution of slavery? It was perilous within the Union. In this

country we made one mistake in our forecast of this question: we did not

believe that the South would commit suicide; we thought it possible that

the slaves might revolt. They might revolt, but their subjugation was

inevitable, because the whole power of the Union was pledged to the

maintenance of order in every part of its dominions.

But if there be men who think that the cotton trade would be safer if

the South were an independent State, with slavery established there in

permanence, they greatly mistake; because, whatever was the danger of

revolt in the Southern States whilst the Union was complete, the

possibility of revolt and the possibility of success would surely be

greatly increased if the North were separate from the South, and the

negro had only his Southern master, and not the Northern power, to

contend against.

But I believe there is little danger of revolt, and no possibility of

success. When the revolt took place in the island of St. Domingo, the

blacks were far superior in numbers to the whites. In the Southern

States it is not so. Ignorant, degraded, without organization, without

arms, and scarcely with any faint hope of freedom for ever, except the

enthusiastic hope which they have when they believe that God will some

day stretch out His arm for their deliverance--I say that under these

circumstances, to my mind, there was no reasonable expectation of

revolt, and that they had no expectation whatever of success in any

attempt to gain their liberty by force of arms.

But now we are in a different position. Slavery itself has chosen its

own issue, and has chosen its own field. Slavery--and when I say

slavery, I mean the slave power--has not trusted to the future; but it

has rushed into the battle-field to settle this great question; and

having chosen war, it is from day to day sinking to inevitable ruin

under it. Now, if we are agreed--and I am keeping you still to

Lancashire and to its interests for a moment longer--that this vast

industry with all its interests of capital and labour has been standing

on a menacing volcano, is it not possible that hereafter it may be

placed upon a rock which nothing--can disturb?

Imagine--what of course some people will say I have no right to imagine--

imagine the war over, the Union restored and slavery abolished--does

any man suppose that there would afterwards be in the South one single

negro fewer than there are at present? On the contrary, I believe there

would be more. I believe there is many a negro in the Northern States,

and even in Canada, who, if the lash, and the chain, and the branding-

iron, and the despotism against which even he dared not complain, were

abolished for ever, would turn his face to the sunny lands of the South,

and would find himself happier and more useful there than he can be in a

more Northern clime.

More than this, there would be a migration from the North to the South.

You do not suppose that those beautiful States, those regions than which

earth offers nothing to man more fertile and more lovely, are shunned by

the enterprising population of the North because they like the rigours

of a Northern winter and the greater changeableness, of the Northern

seasons? Once abolish slavery in the South, and the whole of the

country will be open to the enterprise and to the industry of all. And

more than that, when you find that, only the other day, not fewer than

four thousand emigrants, most of them from the United Kingdom, landed in

one day in the city of New York, do you suppose that all those men would

go north and west at once? Would not some of them turn their faces

southwards, and seek the clime of the sun, which is so grateful to all

men; where they would find a soil more fertile, rivers more abundant,

and everything that Nature offers more profusely given, but from which

they are now shut out by the accursed power which slavery exerts? With

freedom you would have a gradual filling up of the wildernesses of the

Southern States; you would have there, not population only, but capital,

and industry, and roads, and schools, and everything which tends to

produce growth, and wealth, and prosperity.

I maintain--and I believe my opinion will be supported by all those men

who are most conversant with American affairs--that, with slavery

abolished, with freedom firmly established in the South, you would find

in ten years to come a rapid increase in the growth of cotton; and not

only would its growth be rapid, but its permanent increase would be

secured.

I said that I was interested in this great question of cotton. I come

from the midst of the great cotton industry of Lancashire; much the

largest portion of anything I have in the world depends upon it; not a

little of it is now utterly valueless, during the continuance of this

war. My neighbours, by thousands and scores of thousands, are suffering,

more or less, as I am suffering; and many of them, as you know--more

than a quarter of a million of them--have been driven from a subsistence

gained by their honourable labour to the extremest poverty, and to a

dependence upon the charity of their fellow-countrymen. My interest is

the interest of all the population.

My interest is against a mere enthusiasm, a mere sentiment, a mere

visionary fancy of freedom as against slavery. I am speaking now as a

matter of business. I am glad when matters of business go straight with

matters of high sentiment and morality, and from this platform I declare

my solemn conviction that there is no greater enemy to Lancashire, to

its capital and to its labour, than the man who wishes the cotton

agriculture of the Southern States to be continued under the conditions

of slave labour.

One word more upon another branch of the question, and I have done. I

would turn for a moment from commerce to politics. I believe that our

true commercial interests in this country are very much in harmony with

what I think ought to be our true political sympathies. There is no

people in the world, I think, that more fully and entirely accepts the

theory that one nation acts very much upon the character and upon the

career of another, than England; for our newspapers and our statesmen,

our writers and our speakers of every class, are constantly telling us

of the wonderful influence which English constitutional government and

English freedom have on the position and career of every nation in

Europe. I am not about to deny that some such influence, and

occasionally, I believe, a beneficent influence, is thus exerted; but if

we exert any influence upon Europe--and we pride ourselves upon it--

perhaps it will not be a humiliation to admit that we feel some

influence exerted upon us by the great American Republic. American

freedom acts upon England, and there is nothing that is better known, at

the west end of this great city--from which I have just come--than the

influence that has been, and nothing more feared than the influence that

may be, exerted by the United States upon this country.

We all of us know that there has been a great effect produced in England

by the career of the United States. An emigration of three or four

millions of persons from the United Kingdom, during the last forty

years, has bound us to them by thousands of family ties, and therefore

it follows that whatever there is that is good, and whatever there is

that is free in America, which we have not, we know something about, and

gradually may begin to wish for, and some day may insist upon having.

And when I speak of 'us,' I mean the people of this country. When I am

asserting the fact that the people of England have a great interest in

the well-being of the American Republic, I mean the people of England. I

do not speak of the wearers of crowns or of coronets, but of the twenty

millions of people in this country who live on their labour, and who,

having no votes, are not counted in our political census, but without

whom there could be no British nation at all. I say that these have an

interest, almost as great and direct as though they were living in

Massachusetts or New York, in the tremendous struggle for freedom which

is now shaking the whole North American Continent.

During the last two years there has been much said, and much written,

and some things done in this country, which are calculated to gain us

the hate of both sections of the American Union. I believe that a course

of policy might have been taken by the English press, and by the English

Government, and by what are called the influential classes in England,

that would have bound them to our hearts and us to their hearts. I speak

of the twenty millions of the Free North. I believe we might have been

so thoroughly united with that people, that all remembrance of the war

of the Revolution and of the war of 1812 would have been obliterated,

and we should have been in heart and spirit for all time forth but one

nation.

I can only hope that, as time passes, and our people become better

informed, they will be more just, and that ill feeling of every kind

will pass away; that in future all who love freedom here will hold

converse with all who love freedom there, and that the two nations,

separated as they are by the ocean, come as they are, notwithstanding,

of one stock, may be in future time united in soul, and may work

together for the advancement of the liberties and the happiness of

mankind.

* * * * *

AMERICA.

IV.

MR. ROEBUCK'S MOTION FOR RECOGNITION OF THE

SOUTHERN CONFEDERACY.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, JUNE 30, 1863.

I will not attempt to follow the noble Lord in the laboured attack which

he has made upon the Treasury Bench, for these two reasons:--that he did

not appear to me very much to understand what it was he was condemning

them for; and, again, I am not in the habit of defending Gentlemen who

sit on that bench. I will address myself to the question before the

House, which I think the House generally feels to be very important,

although I am quite satisfied that they do not feel it to be a practical

one. Neither do I think that the House will be disposed to take any

course in support of the hon. Gentleman who introduced the resolution

now before us.

We sometimes are engaged in discussions, and have great difficulty to

know what we are about; but the hon. Gentleman left us in no kind of

doubt when he sat down. He proposed a resolution, in words which, under

certain circumstances and addressed to certain parties, might end in

offensive or injurious consequences. Taken in connection with his

character, and with the speech he has made tonight, and with the speech

he has recently made elsewhere on this subject, I may say that he would

have come to about the same conclusion if he had proposed to address the

Crown inviting the Queen to declare war against the United States of

America. The Chancellor of the Exchequer, who is known not to be very

zealous in the particular line of opinion that I have adopted, addressed

the hon. Gentleman in the smoothest language possible, but still he was

obliged to charge him with the tone of bitter hostility which marked his

speech.

On a recent occasion the hon. Member addressed some members of his

constituency--I do not mean in his last speech, I mean in the speech in

August last year--in which he entered upon a course of prophecy which,

like most prophecies in our day, does not happen to come true. But he

said then what he said to-night, that the American people and Government

were overbearing. He did not tell his constituents that the Government

of the United States had, almost during the whole of his lifetime, been

conducted by his friends of the South. He said that, if they were

divided, they would not be able to bully the whole world; and he made

use of these expressions: 'The North will never be our friends; of the

South you can make friends,--they are Englishmen,--they are not the scum

and refuse of the world.'

Mr. Roebuck: 'Allow me to correct that statement. What I said I now

state to the House, that the men of the South were Englishmen, but that

the army of the North was composed of the scum of Europe.'

Mr. Bright: I take, of course, that explanation of the hon. and learned

Gentleman, with this explanation from me, that there is not, so far as I

can find, any mention near that paragraph, and I think there is not in

the speech a single word, about the army.

Mr. Roebuck: 'I assure you I said that.'

Mr. Bright: Then I take it for granted that the hon. and learned

Gentleman said that, or that if he said what I have read he greatly

regrets it.

Mr. Roebuck: 'No, I did not say it.'

Mr. Bright: The hon. and learned Gentleman in his resolution speaks of

other powers. But he has unceremoniously got rid of all the powers but

France, and he comes here to-night with a story of an interview with a

man whom he describes as the great ruler of France--tells us of a

conversation with him--asks us to accept the lead of the Emperor of the

French on, I will undertake to say, one of the greatest questions that

ever was submitted to the British Parliament. But it is not long since

the hon. and learned Gentleman held very different language. I recollect

in this House, only about two years ago, that the hon. and learned

Gentleman said: 'I hope I may be permitted to express in respectful

terms my opinion, even though it should affect so great a potentate as

the Emperor of the French. I have no faith in the Emperor of the

French.' On another occasion the hon. and learned Gentleman said,--not,

I believe, in this House,--'I am still of opinion that we have nothing

but animosity and bad faith to look for from the French Emperor.' And he

went on to say that still, though he had been laughed at, he adopted the

patriotic character of 'Tear-'em,' and was still at his post.

And when the hon. and learned Gentleman came back, I think from his

expedition to Cherbourg, does the House recollect the language he used

on that occasion--language which, if it expressed the sentiments which

he felt, at least I think he might have been content to have withheld?

If I am not mistaken, referring to the salutation between the Emperor of

the French and the Queen of these kingdoms, he said, 'When I saw his

perjured lips touch that hallowed cheek.' And now, Sir, the hon. and

learned Gentleman has been to Paris, introduced there by the hon. Member

for Sunderland, and he has sought to become as it were in the palace of

the French Emperor a co-conspirator with him to drag this country into a

policy which I maintain is as hostile to its interests as it would be

degrading to its honour.

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