I cannot decide at the moment.

At any rate you can decide whether he who has knowledge

will or will not be able to render an account of his knowledge?

What do you say?

Certainly, he will.

[Sidenote: _The pre-existence of the soul._]

But do you think that every man is able to give an account

of these very matters about which we are speaking?

Would that they could, Socrates, but I rather fear that

to-morrow, at this time, there will no longer be any one

alive who is able to give an account of them such as ought

to be given.

Then you are not of opinion, Simmias, that all men know

these things?

Certainly not.

They are in process of recollecting that which they learned

before?

Certainly.

But when did our souls acquire this knowledge?—not since

we were born as men?

Certainly not.

And therefore, previously?

Yes.

[Sidenote: But if so, our souls must have existed before they were in the

form of man; or if not the souls, then not the ideas.]

Then, Simmias, our souls must also have existed without

bodies before they were in the form of man, and must have

had intelligence.

Unless indeed you suppose, Socrates, that these notions are

given us at the very moment of birth; for this is the only

time which remains.

Yes, my friend, but if so, when do we lose them? for they

are not in us when we are born—that is admitted. Do we

lose them at the moment of receiving them, or if not at what

other time?

No, Socrates, I perceive that I was unconsciously talking

nonsense.

Then may we not say, Simmias, that if, as we are always

repeating, there is an absolute beauty, and goodness, and

an absolute essence of all things; and if to this, which is now

discovered to have existed in our former state, we refer all

our sensations, and with this compare them, finding these ideas

to be pre-existent and our inborn possession—then our souls

must have had a prior existence, but if not, there would be no

force in the argument? There is the same proof that these

ideas must have existed before we were born, as that our

souls existed before we were born; and if not the ideas, then

not the souls.

[Sidenote: _Simmias and Cebes are not quite satisfied._]

Yes, Socrates; I am convinced that there is precisely the

same necessity for the one as for the other; and the argument

retreats successfully to the position that the existence 77

of the soul before birth cannot be separated from the existence

of the essence of which you speak. For there is

nothing which to my mind is so patent as that beauty, goodness,

and the other notions of which you were just now speaking,

have a most real and absolute existence; and I am

satisfied with the proof.

Well, but is Cebes equally satisfied? for I must convince

him too.

[Sidenote: Simmias and Cebes are agreed in thinking that the previous

existence of the soul is sufficiently proved, but not the future

existence.]

I think, said Simmias, that Cebes is satisfied: although he

is the most incredulous of mortals, yet I believe that he is

sufficiently convinced of the existence of the soul before

birth. But that after death the soul will continue to exist is

not yet proven even to my own satisfaction. I cannot get

rid of the feeling of the many to which Cebes was referring—the

feeling that when the man dies the soul will be dispersed,

and that this may be the extinction of her. For

admitting that she may have been born elsewhere, and

framed out of other elements, and was in existence before

entering the human body, why after having entered in and

gone out again may she not herself be destroyed and come

to an end?

Very true, Simmias, said Cebes; about half of what was

required has been proven; to wit, that our souls existed

before we were born:—that the soul will exist after death as

well as before birth is the other half of which the proof is

still wanting, and has to be supplied; when that is given

the demonstration will be complete.

[Sidenote: But if the soul passes from death to birth, she must exist

after death as well as before birth.]

But that proof, Simmias and Cebes, has been already

given, said Socrates, if you put the two arguments together—I

mean this and the former one, in which we admitted

that everything living is born of the dead. For if the soul

exists before birth, and in coming to life and being born can

be born only from death and dying, must she not after death

continue to exist, since she has to be born again?—Surely

the proof which you desire has been already furnished.

Still I suspect that you and Simmias would be glad to probe

the argument further. Like children, you are haunted with

a fear that when the soul leaves the body, the wind may

really blow her away and scatter her; especially if a man

should happen to die in a great storm and not when the sky

is calm.

[Sidenote: _‘The child within us.’_]

Cebes answered with a smile: Then, Socrates, you must

argue us out of our fears—and yet, strictly speaking, they

are not our fears, but there is a child within us to whom

death is a sort of hobgoblin: him too we must persuade not

to be afraid when he is alone in the dark.

[Sidenote: The fear that the soul will vanish into air must be charmed

away.]

Socrates said: Let the voice of the charmer be applied

daily until you have charmed away the fear.

And where shall we find a good charmer of our fears, 78

Socrates, when you are gone?

Hellas, he replied, is a large place, Cebes, and has

many good men, and there are barbarous races not a few:

seek for him among them all, far and wide, sparing

neither pains nor money; for there is no better way of

spending your money. And you must seek among yourselves

too; for you will not find others better able to make

the search.

The search, replied Cebes, shall certainly be made. And

now, if you please, let us return to the point of the argument

at which we digressed.

By all means, replied Socrates; what else should I

please?

Very good.

[Sidenote: What is the element which is liable to be scattered?—Not the

simple and unchangeable, but the composite and changing.]

Must we not, said Socrates, ask ourselves what that is

which, as we imagine, is liable to be scattered, and about

which we fear? and what again is that about which we have

no fear? And then we may proceed further to enquire

whether that which suffers dispersion is or is not of the

nature of soul—our hopes and fears as to our own souls will

turn upon the answers to these questions.

Very true, he said.

Now the compound or composite may be supposed to be

naturally capable, as of being compounded, so also of being

dissolved; but that which is uncompounded, and that only,

must be, if anything is, indissoluble.

Yes; I should imagine so, said Cebes.

[Sidenote: _The seen and the unseen._]

And the uncompounded may be assumed to be the same

and unchanging, whereas the compound is always changing

and never the same.

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