I may remark in passing that, even under more favourable circumstances

a parochial priesthood is not a good engine for the purpose of making

proselytes. The Church of Rome, whatever we may think of her ends, has

shown no want of sagacity in the choice of means; and she knows this

well. When she makes a great aggressive movement,--and many such

movements she has made with signal success,--she employs, not her

parochial clergy, but a very different machinery. The business of her

parish priests is to defend and govern what has been won. It is by

the religious orders, and especially by the Jesuits, that the great

acquisitions have been made. In Ireland your parochial clergy lay under

two great disadvantages. They were endowed, and they were hated; so

richly endowed that few among them cared to turn missionaries; so

bitterly hated that those few had but little success. They long

contented themselves with receiving the emoluments arising from their

benefices, and neglected those means to which, in other parts of Europe,

Protestantism had owed its victory. It is well known that of all the

instruments employed by the Reformers of Germany, of England, and of

Scotland, for the purpose of moving the public mind, the most powerful

was the Bible translated into the vernacular tongues. In Ireland the

Protestant Church had been established near half a century before the

New Testament was printed in Erse. The whole Bible was not printed

in Erse till this Church had existed more than one hundred and twenty

years. Nor did the publication at last take place under the patronage

of the lazy and wealthy hierarchy. The expense was defrayed by a layman,

the illustrious Robert Boyle. So things went on century after century.

Swift, more than a hundred years ago, described the prelates of his

country as men gorged with wealth and sunk in indolence, whose chief

business was to bow and job at the Castle. The only spiritual function,

he says, which they performed was ordination; and, when he saw what

persons they ordained, he doubted whether it would not be better that

they should neglect that function as they neglected every other. Those,

Sir, are now living who can well remember how the revenues of

the richest see in Ireland were squandered on the shores of the

Mediterranean by a bishop, whose epistles, very different compositions

from the epistles of Saint Peter and Saint John, may be found in the

correspondence of Lady Hamilton. Such abuses as these called forth

no complaint, no reprimand. And all this time the true pastors of the

people, meanly fed and meanly clothed, frowned upon by the law,

exposed to the insults of every petty squire who gloried in the name

of Protestant, were to be found in miserable cabins, amidst filth, and

famine, and contagion, instructing the young, consoling the miserable,

holding up the crucifix before the eyes of the dying. Is it strange

that, in such circumstances, the Roman Catholic religion should have

been constantly becoming dearer and dearer to an ardent and sensitive

people, and that your Established Church should have been constantly

sinking lower and lower in their estimation? I do not of course hold

the living clergy of the Irish Church answerable for the faults of

their predecessors. God forbid! To do so would be the most flagitious

injustice. I know that a salutary change has taken place. I have no

reason to doubt that in learning and regularity of life the Protestant

clergy of Ireland are on a level with the clergy of England. But in the

way of making proselytes they do as little as those who preceded them.

An enmity of three hundred years separates the nation from those who

should be its teachers. In short, it is plain that the mind of Ireland

has taken its ply, and is not to be bent in a different direction, or,

at all events, is not to be so bent by your present machinery.

Well, then, this Church is inefficient as a missionary Church. But there

is yet another end which, in the opinion of some eminent men, a Church

is meant to serve. That end has been often in the minds of practical

politicians. But the first speculative politician who distinctly pointed

it out was Mr Hume. Mr Hume, as might have been expected from his known

opinions, treated the question merely as it related to the temporal

happiness of mankind; and, perhaps, it may be doubted whether he took

quite a just view of the manner in which even the temporal happiness of

mankind is affected by the restraints and consolations of religion. He

reasoned thus:--It is dangerous to the peace of society that the public

mind should be violently excited on religious subjects. If you adopt the

voluntary system, the public mind will always be so excited. For every

preacher, knowing that his bread depends on his popularity, seasons his

doctrine high, and practises every art for the purpose of obtaining an

ascendency over his hearers. But when the Government pays the minister

of religion, he has no pressing motive to inflame the zeal of his

congregation. He will probably go through his duties in a somewhat

perfunctory manner. His power will not be very formidable; and, such

as it is, it will be employed in support of that order of things under

which he finds himself so comfortable. Now, Sir, it is not necessary to

inquire whether Mr Hume's doctrine be sound or unsound. For, sound or

unsound, it furnishes no ground on which you can rest the defence of

the institution which we are now considering. It is evident that by

establishing in Ireland the Church of the minority in connection with

the State, you have produced, in the very highest degree, all those

evils which Mr Hume considered as inseparable from the voluntary system.

You may go all over the world without finding another country where

religious differences take a form so dangerous to the peace of society;

where the common people are so much under the influence of their

priests; or where the priests who teach the common people are so

completely estranged from the civil Government.

And now, Sir, I will sum up what I have said. For what end does the

Church of Ireland exist? Is that end the instruction and solace of the

great body of the people? You must admit that the Church of Ireland has

not attained that end. Is the end which you have in view the conversion

of the great body of the people from the Roman Catholic religion to a

purer form of Christianity? You must admit that the Church of Ireland

has not attained that end. Or do you propose to yourselves the end

contemplated by Mr Hume, the peace and security of civil society? You

must admit that the Church of Ireland has not attained that end. In

the name of common sense, then, tell us what good end this Church has

attained; or suffer us to conclude, as I am forced to conclude, that it

is emphatically a bad institution.

It does not, I know, necessarily follow that, because an institution

is bad, it is therefore to be immediately destroyed. Sometimes a bad

institution takes a strong hold on the hearts of mankind, intertwines

its roots with the very foundations of society, and is not to be removed

without serious peril to order, law, and property. For example, I hold

polygamy to be one of the most pernicious practises that exist in the

world. But if the Legislative Council of India were to pass an Act

prohibiting polygamy, I should think that they were out of their senses.

Such a measure would bring down the vast fabric of our Indian Empire

with one crash. But is there any similar reason for dealing tenderly

with the Established Church of Ireland? That Church, Sir, is not one

of those bad institutions which ought to be spared because they are

popular, and because their fall would injure good institutions. It is,

on the contrary, so odious, and its vicinage so much endangers valuable

parts of our polity, that, even if it were in itself a good institution,

there would be strong reasons for giving it up.

The honourable gentleman who spoke last told us that we cannot touch

this Church without endangering the Legislative Union. Sir, I have given

my best attention to this important point; and I have arrived at a very

different conclusion. The question to be determined is this:--What is

the best way of preserving political union between countries in which

different religions prevail? With respect to this question we have,

I think, all the light which history can give us. There is no sort of

experiment described by Lord Bacon which we have not tried. Inductive

philosophy is of no value if we cannot trust to the lessons derived from

the experience of more than two hundred years. England has long been

closely connected with two countries less powerful than herself,

and differing from herself in religion. The Scottish people are

Presbyterians; the Irish people are Roman Catholics. We determined to

force the Anglican system on both countries. In both countries great

discontent was the result. At length Scotland rebelled. Then Ireland

rebelled. The Scotch and Irish rebellions, taking place at a time when

the public mind of England was greatly and justly excited, produced the

Great Rebellion here, and the downfall of the Monarchy, of the Church,

and of the Aristocracy. After the Restoration we again tried the old

system. During twenty-eight years we persisted in the attempt to

force Prelacy on the Scotch; and the consequence was, during those

twenty-eight years Scotland exhibited a frightful spectacle of misery

and depravity. The history of that period is made up of oppression and

resistance, of insurrections, barbarous punishments, and assassinations.

One day a crowd of zealous rustics stand desperately on their defence,

and repel the dragoons. Next day the dragoons scatter and hew down the

flying peasantry. One day the kneebones of a wretched Covenanter are

beaten flat in that accursed boot. Next day the Lord Primate is dragged

out of his carriage by a band of raving fanatics, and, while screaming

for mercy, is butchered at the feet of his own daughter. So things went

on, till at last we remembered that institutions are made for men,

and not men for institutions. A wise Government desisted from the vain

attempt to maintain an Episcopal Establishment in a Presbyterian nation.

From that moment the connection between England and Scotland became

every year closer and closer. There were still, it is true, many causes

of animosity. There was an old antipathy between the nations, the

effect of many blows given and received on both sides. All the greatest

calamities that had befallen Scotland had been inflicted by England.

The proudest events in Scottish history were victories obtained over

England. Yet all angry feelings died rapidly away. The union of the

nations became complete. The oldest man living does not remember to have

heard any demagogue breathe a wish for separation. Do you believe that

this would have happened if England had, after the Revolution, persisted

in attempting to force the surplice and the Prayer Book on the Scotch?

I tell you that, if you had adhered to the mad scheme of having a

religious union with Scotland, you never would have had a cordial

political union with her. At this very day you would have had monster

meetings on the north of the Tweed, and another Conciliation Hall, and

another repeal button, with the motto, "Nemo me impune lacessit." In

fact, England never would have become the great power that she is. For

Scotland would have been, not an addition to the effective strength of

the Empire, but a deduction from it. As often as there was a war with

France or Spain, there would have been an insurrection in Scotland. Our

country would have sunk into a kingdom of the second class. One such

Church as that about which we are now debating is a serious encumbrance

to the greatest empire. Two such Churches no empire could bear. You

continued to govern Ireland during many generations as you had governed

Scotland in the days of Lauderdale and Dundee. And see the result.

Ireland has remained, indeed, a part of your Empire. But you know her

to be a source of weakness rather than of strength. Her misery is a

reproach to you. Her discontent doubles the dangers of war. Can you,

with such facts before you, doubt about the course which you ought to

take? Imagine a physician with two patients, both afflicted with the

same disease. He applies the same sharp remedies to both. Both become

worse and worse with the same inflammatory symptoms. Then he changes

his treatment of one case, and gives soothing medicines. The sufferer

revives, grows better day by day, and is at length restored to perfect

health. The other patient is still subjected to the old treatment, and

becomes constantly more and more disordered. How would a physician act

in such a case? And are not the principles of experimental philosophy

the same in politics as in medicine?

Therefore, Sir, I am fully prepared to take strong measures with regard

to the Established Church of Ireland. It is not necessary for me to say

precisely how far I would go. I am aware that it may be necessary,

in this as in other cases, to consent to a compromise. But the more

complete the reform which may be proposed, provided always that vested

rights be, as I am sure they will be, held strictly sacred, the more

cordially shall I support it.

That some reform is at hand I cannot doubt. In a very short time we

shall see the evils which I have described mitigated, if not entirely

removed. A Liberal Administration would make this concession to Ireland

from a sense of justice. A Conservative Administration will make it from

a sense of danger. The right honourable Baronet has given the Irish a

lesson which will bear fruit. It is a lesson which rulers ought to be

slow to teach; for it is one which nations are but too apt to learn.

We have repeatedly been told by acts--we are now told almost in express

words--that agitation and intimidation are the means which ought to be

employed by those who wish for redress of grievances from the party now

in power. Such indeed has too long been the policy of England towards

Ireland; but it was surely never before avowed with such indiscreet

frankness. Every epoch which is remembered with pleasure on the other

side of St George's Channel coincides with some epoch which we here

consider as disastrous and perilous. To the American war and the

volunteers the Irish Parliament owed its independence. To the French

revolutionary war the Irish Roman Catholics owed the elective franchise.

It was in vain that all the great orators and statesmen of two

generations exerted themselves to remove the Roman Catholic

disabilities, Burke, Fox, Pitt, Windham, Grenville, Grey, Plunkett,

Wellesley, Grattan, Canning, Wilberforce. Argument and expostulation

were fruitless. At length pressure of a stronger kind was boldly and

skilfully applied; and soon all difficulties gave way. The Catholic

Association, the Clare election, the dread of civil war, produced the

Emancipation Act. Again, the cry of No Popery was raised. That cry was

successful. A faction which had reviled in the bitterest terms the mild

administration of Whig Viceroys, and which was pledged to the wholesale

disfranchisement of the Roman Catholics, rose to power. One leading

member of that faction had drawn forth loud cheers by declaiming against

the minions of Popery. Another had designated six millions of Irish

Catholics as aliens. A third had publicly declared his conviction, that

a time was at hand when all Protestants of every persuasion would find

it necessary to combine firmly against the encroachments of Romanism.

From such men we expected nothing but oppression and intolerance. We are

agreeably disappointed to find that a series of conciliatory bills is

brought before us. But, in the midst of our delight, we cannot refrain

from asking for some explanation of so extraordinary a change. We are

told in reply, that the monster meetings of 1843 were very formidable,

and that our relations with America are in a very unsatisfactory state.

The public opinion of Ireland is to be consulted, the religion of

Ireland is to be treated with respect, not because equity and humanity

plainly enjoin that course; for equity and humanity enjoined that

course as plainly when you were calumniating Lord Normanby, and hurrying

forward your Registration Bill; but because Mr O'Connell and Mr Polk

have between them made you very uneasy. Sir, it is with shame, with

sorrow, and, I will add, with dismay, that I listen to such language.

I have hitherto disapproved of the monster meetings of 1843. I have

disapproved of the way in which Mr O'Connell and some other Irish

representatives have seceded from this House. I should not have chosen

to apply to those gentlemen the precise words which were used on a

former occasion by the honourable and learned Member for Bath. But I

agreed with him in substance. I thought it highly to the honour of my

right honourable friend the Member for Dungarvon, and of my honourable

friends the Members for Kildare, for Roscommon, and for the city of

Waterford, that they had the moral courage to attend the service of this

House, and to give us the very valuable assistance which they are, in

various ways, so well qualified to afford. But what am I to say now? How

can I any longer deny that the place where an Irish gentleman may best

serve his country is Conciliation Hall? How can I expect that any Irish

Roman Catholic can be very sorry to learn that our foreign relations are

in an alarming state, or can rejoice to hear that all danger of war has

blown over? I appeal to the Conservative Members of this House. I ask

them whither we are hastening? I ask them what is to be the end of a

policy of which it is the principle to give nothing to justice,

and everything to fear? We have been accused of truckling to Irish

agitators. But I defy you to show us that we ever made or are now making

to Ireland a single concession which was not in strict conformity with

our known principles. You may therefore trust us, when we tell you

that there is a point where we will stop. Our language to the Irish is

this:--"You ask for emancipation: it was agreeable to our principles

that you should have it; and we assisted you to obtain it. You wished

for a municipal system, as popular as that which exists in England: we

thought your wish reasonable, and did all in our power to gratify it.

This grant to Maynooth is, in our opinion, proper; and we will do our

best to obtain it for you, though it should cost us our popularity and

our seats in Parliament. The Established Church in your island, as now

constituted, is a grievance of which you justly complain. We will strive

to redress that grievance. The Repeal of the Union we regard as fatal to

the empire: and we never will consent to it; never, though the country

should be surrounded by dangers as great as those which threatened her

when her American colonies, and France, and Spain, and Holland, were

leagued against her, and when the armed neutrality of the Baltic

disputed her maritime rights; never, though another Bonaparte should

pitch his camp in sight of Dover Castle; never, till all has been staked

and lost; never, till the four quarters of the world have been convulsed

by the last struggle of the great English people for their place

among the nations." This, Sir, is the true policy. When you give, give

frankly. When you withhold, withhold resolutely. Then what you give is

received with gratitude; and, as for what you withhold, men, seeing that

to wrest it from you is no safe or easy enterprise, cease to hope

for it, and, in time, cease to wish for it. But there is a way of so

withholding as merely to excite desire, and of so giving as merely to

excite contempt; and that way the present ministry has discovered. Is it

possible for me to doubt that in a few months the same machinery which

sixteen years ago extorted from the men now in power the Emancipation

Act, and which has now extorted from them the bill before us, will again

be put in motion? Who shall say what will be the next sacrifice? For my

own part I firmly believe that, if the present Ministers remain in power

five years longer, and if we should have,--which God avert!--a war with

France or America, the Established Church of Ireland will be given

up. The right honourable Baronet will come down to make a proposition

conceived in the very spirit of the Motions which have repeatedly been

made by my honourable friend the Member for Sheffield. He will again

be deserted by his followers; he will again be dragged through his

difficulties by his opponents. Some honest Lord of the Treasury may

determine to quit his office rather than belie all the professions of a

life. But there will be little difficulty in finding a successor ready

to change all his opinions at twelve hours' notice. I may perhaps, while

cordially supporting the bill, again venture to say something about

consistency, and about the importance of maintaining a high standard

of political morality. The right honourable Baronet will again tell me,

that he is anxious only for the success of his measure, and that he does

not choose to reply to taunts. And the right honourable gentleman the

Chancellor of the Exchequer will produce Hansard, will read to the House

my speech of this night, and will most logically argue that I ought not

to reproach the Ministers with their inconsistency, seeing that I had,

from my knowledge of their temper and principles, predicted to a tittle

the nature and extent of that inconsistency.

Sir, I have thought it my duty to brand with strong terms of

reprehension the practice of conceding, in time of public danger, what

is obstinately withheld in time of public tranquillity. I am prepared,

and have long been prepared, to grant much, very much, to Ireland. But

if the Repeal Association were to dissolve itself to-morrow, and if the

next steamer were to bring news that all our differences with the United

States were adjusted in the most honourable and friendly manner, I would

grant to Ireland neither more nor less than I would grant if we were on

the eve of a rebellion like that of 1798; if war were raging all along

the Canadian frontier; and if thirty French sail of the line were

confronting our fleet in St George's Channel. I give my vote from my

heart and soul for the amendment of my honourable friend. He calls on

us to make to Ireland a concession, which ought in justice to have been

made long ago, and which may be made with grace and dignity even now. I

well know that you will refuse to make it now. I know as well that you

will make it hereafter. You will make it as every concession to Ireland

has been made. You will make it when its effect will be, not to appease,

but to stimulate agitation. You will make it when it will be regarded,

not as a great act of national justice, but as a confession of national

weakness. You will make it in such a way, and at such a time, that there

will be but too much reason to doubt whether more mischief has been done

by your long refusal, or by your tardy and enforced compliance.

*****

THEOLOGICAL TESTS IN THE SCOTCH UNIVERSITIES. (JULY 9, 1845) A SPEECH

DELIVERED IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS ON THE 9TH OF JULY 1845.

On the first of May, 1845, Mr Rutherford, Member for Leith, obtained

leave to bring in a bill to regulate admission to the Secular Chairs

in the Universities of Scotland. On the morning of the sixth of May the

bill was read a first time, and remained two months on the table of the

House. At length the second reading was fixed for the ninth of July. Mr

Rutherfurd was unable to attend on that day: and it was necessary that

one of his friends should supply his place. Accordingly, as soon as the

Order of the Day had been read, the following Speech was made.

On a division the bill was rejected by 116 votes to 108. But, in the

state in which parties then were, this defeat was generally considered

as a victory.

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