He: “Well, just at present we could also find use for a doctor in the

Foreign Office. Things are getting very dull there. Bülow is seriously

ill, and is hardly likely to recover. I shall not see him again after

his holiday. And Gastein has not done me any good either. I was obliged

to work too much there, and yet to no purpose. I felt very well at

Kissingen, but now--my health was better when I left Berlin on the

closing of the Reichstag than it is at present. It was just the same

as long ago as 1877. I then took a longer holiday than usual, but

business followed me like my shadow. Radowitz is also not well. He,

too, complains, and requires some rest. There is now some talk of

looking for assistance to one of our Ministers abroad, Alvensleben and

Stirum being mentioned, as well as Schlözer, who is in favour with the

Crown Prince. With us the trade of a Minister is exhausting, and they

sometimes even die of it, as Brandenburg did after the Warsaw-Olmütz

events. A vast amount of nerve power is used up, particularly in the

Foreign Office among the elderly gentlemen. Fresh friction continually

arises. It was the same in former times, when three Ministers went out

of their minds.” He named them, Kernitz was one, and then continued:

“He (the King) has been wearing out others besides, for instance,

Falk, who retired solely on account of exhaustion and worry. He (Falk)

has no reason to complain of me, I took his part in all questions.

The King was always against him whenever he wanted to carry something

through. I advised him not to take it so much to heart. When the

Most Gracious, who is entirely under the influence of the Queen and

the Court Chaplains, sent him an order which he had to execute, he

should have pointed out that it must have his counter-signature if the

King wanted to keep up constitutional appearances, but that his own

convictions made it impossible for him to sign it, and he should then

have waited to see what would happen. But he is too easily offended,

and so he tendered his resignation--really on account of a mere trifle,

because a Herr von Hagen (so I understood him to say), an utterly

insignificant creature, a blockhead, a coarse, stupid Junker, who

had collected signatures to an address against him, had been elected

on to the Managing Committee of the General Synod. (?) But the real

reason was exhaustion, and vexation at not being able to make any

headway with the King. It was somewhat different in Friedenthal’s case.

He was an intriguer whom I was glad to see the last of. They would

have been pleased to retain him--at Court, where his wife was very

thick with the Empress, and the Emperor interfered very little in his

affairs. Hobrecht’s case was again different. He retired, doubtless

because he himself recognised his inefficiency. He was not at all

equal to his position, and was, besides, of too weak a character to

deal with the numerous obstructive forces in his Ministry. With us,

however, the Foreign Ministry is the worst of all. There the friction

never ceases. My nature is such that I have been able to stand it for

seventeen years; but Bülow, who conducted affairs during my absence,

and who, when he thought he was through with something, constantly met

with fresh hindrances and senseless and obstinate objections--he is

suffering from spinal disease and will die of it.”

He paused for a moment and then continued: “That comes chiefly of the

Emperor’s infatuation for Russia. I am also Russian in my sympathies,

but not blindly, like the Emperor, who, with the exception of his

brother, Prince Charles, and of Princess Alexandrine--is quite alone

in this respect at Court. He sees and hears nothing, and no argument

or evidence makes any impression upon him. He went to Alexandrowo in

spite of the fact that I repeatedly protested in the most positive way

against his doing so. They are making immense preparations in Russia,

have increased their forces by 400,000 men, as much as the peace

footing of the German Army. They can now put twenty-four new divisions

into the field, that is, twelve army corps. And a mass of cavalry is

stationed near the western frontier which could pour in upon us in

three days. The reports are reliable and the Emperor is acquainted with

the facts, but will not credit them. At Alexandrowo they turned his

head with sentimental talk and reminiscences of Queen Louise, so that

he does not recognise the danger, and nothing can be done with him. And

yet it is so evident. Against whom are those armaments directed? They

say in St. Petersburg that Constantinople must be conquered through

Berlin. Others say that the road lies through Vienna, but that Vienna

must be reached through Berlin. We must therefore seek support, and the

direction in which it is to be found is indicated. The sensible portion

of the 42,000,000 Germans would prefer to have a good understanding

with both Russia and Austria. But if one is obliged to choose between

them, then everything points to Austria, national reasons and others.

In that country there are some nine or ten millions of Germans, and the

Hungarians are also decidedly upon our side; indeed, even the Czechs

(with the exception of a dozen or so of irreconcilables who are of

no account) are at least disinclined to become Russians. But let us

suppose that Austria were a purely Slav country. Russia is strong

enough alone, and we cannot be of much assistance to her. Austria is

the weaker of the two, although at the same time a valuable ally, and

we can be of great assistance to her. She can also strengthen us in our

policy of peace. When we are united, with our two million soldiers back

to back, they, with their Nihilism, will doubtless think twice before

they disturb the peace. The idea of such an alliance has been very

favourably received by the German Princes; and they are in thorough

agreement with it in England also. France, too, is at present obviously

in favour of the maintenance of peace, but for how long? The Crown

Prince is quite of my opinion; it was a matter of course, he said, that

we should unite with Austria. It is only the Emperor--he has recovered

physically from the great loss of blood in the last attempt upon his

life, but his mental powers have been weakened.”

I remarked that the old gentleman’s age, his eighty-two years, must

doubtless also have some effect. Water on the brain was apt to set in

at that age.

“That too,” he added, “and consequently he does not understand what

is said to him, even when it is very simple, and will not adopt any

measures that are proposed to him. He and his brother and Princess

Alexandrine are the Russian Rütli. (An allusion to Schiller’s _Wilhelm

Tell_.) You must not say anything about this in the press--at least,

not as yet; nor of the intention to bring about an alliance for the

maintenance of peace either, as that is still in course of development.

But you may speak of the condition of affairs in the Foreign Office,

how one’s ideas and decisions are affected by consideration for

the political requirements of the Empire, by responsibility to the

Reichstag, and by the views of the Sovereign; and that the friction

thus arising wears some Ministers to death, and invariably injures

their health. Refer to Brandenburg as an instance which the present

situation recalls. Bülow has been destroyed in that way. It is our Most

Gracious who has done for him. The doctors say that the pain in the hip

indicates a dangerous spinal disease. He is to be brought in now from

Potsdam to Berlin, but I shall go out with my wife to see him. If he

goes to Italy, who knows if we shall meet again? I must not stay longer

than a quarter of an hour with him, as the excitement would be too much

for him. I am extremely sorry to lose him.”

I said: “I have heard him described as a particularly capable worker.”

“Yes,” he replied, “and adroit, sensible, and loyal; not like Thile,

who was the Empress’s messenger, and whom she kept here for a long time

after I had made up my mind to get rid of him, owing to his incapacity.

I learned to know and esteem him at Frankfurt (he was now referring

again to Bülow), whilst he still held the post of Danish Envoy to the

Germanic Diet. And when he had become Minister for Mecklenburg he also

showed great ability in the Federal Council, so that I was determined

to have him.”

He then recurred to the alliance with Austria, repeating in other words

what he had said to me, _inter alia_. With the exception of the Emperor

and the two other personages, almost the only people in Germany who

were still in favour of Russia were the East Prussian corn-dealers. In

reply to an inquiry as to the attitude of the Emperor Francis Joseph,

he said: “Very fair and reasonable. He came specially on my account to

Vienna from his shooting-box, adopted all my ideas, and was prepared to

do everything I proposed in the interest of peace.”

He observed, in conclusion, that he was leaving for Varzin in a few

days. “Friedrichsruh is too near,” he explained, “and I shall not take

any official with me.” He then rang the bell, and asked the servant if

the carriage which was to take him to the Potsdam railway station was

ready; and I took my leave, with good wishes for his health.

This interview resulted in an article, “Fresh Friction,” in No. 42 of

the _Grenzboten_, which was also discussed and commented upon at length

in the home and foreign press.

I did not see the Chief again that year. We continued, however, as

best we could to promote his ideas in the _Grenzboten_, Bucher, as

before, helping us faithfully and indefatigably with his counsel and

assistance as long as he was in Berlin. In these articles the party

Philistines were now and again treated to some pretty energetic

castigation, which is believed to have affected them rather painfully.

The Prince returned from his holiday late in the winter, and it was

only on the 9th of March, 1880, that I received an invitation from the

Imperial Chancellerie to pay him a visit. I went to his palace at the

time appointed, 1 o’clock, and had to wait for a quarter of an hour in

the large pillared antechamber. Whilst I was sitting there, Tiedemann

and the “Cerberus” (_Geheimer Hofrath_ Roland of the Foreign Office)

passed through the room. The latter seemed not to have been aware of

my renewed intercourse with the Chancellor, spoke a few words to me,

perhaps to satisfy himself that I was really the same person whom

he probably regarded as having fallen into permanent disfavour and

oblivion on account of my book, and had an opportunity of hearing the

Chancery attendant in a loud clear voice call me in to the Prince. If

he then further ascertained that I remained for nearly a full hour with

the Chief he will certainly have looked upon it as a miracle, and the

next time I meet him in the street I shall have the happiness of being

honoured by a friendly greeting from him. O these little bonzes!

So I wrote in my diary, which also contains the following particulars

of this interview with the Chief.

The Chancellor wore a dark grey coat (plain clothes) with a military

stock. During our interview he drank first a glass of beer, then some

Vichy water, which the attendant had to bring him. On my making my

bow, he reached me his hand across the table, and said: “I really have

not much to say to you to-day, but I was anxious to see you again. My

health is still indifferent. It is true I have nothing in particular

to complain of, and sleep well enough--nine hours last night--and eat

with appetite, but I tire immediately. I must not walk or stand for any

length of time, as it brings on neuralgic pains. That comes from the

overwork of last year, and from the violent excitement. You know that

that does not at all agree with the Gastein waters--it may even prove

dangerous.

“At that time I was extremely anxious on account of Russia, and feared

an alliance between her and Austria, which the French would also

have joined. Latterly the Russians had written us brutal letters,

threatening us in case we did not support them in the Eastern question,

and I thought they could never act in that way, unless they had

in Austria a good friend, who might become an ally. They had also

endeavoured to bring about an alliance in Paris, through Obrutscheff.

He is the adjutant and confidant of Miljutin, the Minister of War. But

the French did not want it, and informed us through our Ambassador

and others--just as a virtuous woman tells her husband when somebody

makes improper overtures to her. That worried me a great deal. I had

always desired to come to an understanding with Austria. As far back as

1852 I had an idea of the kind. It was--while the German Confederation

still existed--that Austria should not want to have the sole authority

in Germany, nor always hamper and coerce Prussia; she should grant

Prussia a position in the Bund, which would allow her to use her

whole strength in repelling the threatened attacks and pretensions of

neighbouring Powers. They would not hear of this in Vienna, however;

thought it was unnecessary. They held that Prussia had most to fear

from such pretensions, and required Austria’s good will and assistance

more than Austria required her’s. We had, therefore, to submit to

being treated as an inferior, and indeed treated abominably. You know

the Schwarzenberg policy, which was continued up to the Congress of

Princes. They refused to share, and insisted upon having everything for

themselves. We were therefore obliged, for our own self-preservation,

to give them a practical proof that they were mistaken in thinking

we must always lean upon them, and therefore give way to them, being

unable to do anything for ourselves. So we took the opportunity in

1866, pitched them out of doors, and came to an understanding with

the others--on fair terms. I then again thought of a reconciliation

with them, for instance in 1870; but it was impossible to do anything

with Beust, and so the preparatory steps came to nothing. Andrassy

seemed better disposed. It was necessary, however, to put my old idea

into a new shape, in consequence of the altered situation. _I wanted

an open constitutional alliance against a coalition_, indissoluble,

_i.e._, only to be dissolved on our side by the Emperor, the Federal

Council, and the Reichstag, and on theirs by the Emperor and Trans-

and Cis-Leithania. Then came the Turkish War, the Berlin Congress, and

the execution of what had been there agreed upon. In St. Petersburg

they expected us to look after their interests unconditionally, and to

support all their demands. We could not do that, however, as some of

them were unfair and dangerous. They began with imperious and arrogant

warnings, and finally proceeded to threats. I could only explain that

by the supposition either that an understanding had already been

arrived at between Vienna and St. Petersburg, or was being negotiated.

Andrassy’s Russian journey and various other circumstances seemed to

confirm these apprehensions, and so last summer I was in a state of

great anxiety. France would doubtless have soon joined the other two.

In these circumstances, it was questionable whether England would have

stood by Germany, as that country can never be easily induced to take

sides with a Power which does not seem to have the upper hand. It was,

therefore, with a heavy heart that I went from Kissingen to Gastein,

and when Andrassy came I was very curious to hear what he would say.

I then ascertained, however, that nothing of the kind existed. No

understanding had been come to with Russia. I then brought forward my

idea, which he immediately accepted, that is to say, he was in favour

of the alliance, but not of a constitutional one. He would not hear of

that, nor of publicity; and, indeed, in the end, it was as well not,

as their Reichstag would have picked holes in it from their ignorance,

and wanted this or that to be altered. Their Parliament is even worse

than our own.”

“Yes,” I said; “the Constitutional party there are still more

pettifogging than our Parliamentarians.”

“You are quite right,” he added. “With that exception Andrassy quite

agreed with me, and the Emperor in Vienna was perhaps even more

strongly in favour of the alliance. But our Emperor was not. He raised

really brutal objections, and wished to sacrifice the welfare of the

Fatherland upon the high altar of his Russian friendship, although the

Russians had been as perfidious and insolent as it was possible for

them to be--also towards Austria, so that the unquestionably russophil

Archduke Albrecht afterwards said to Andrassy: ‘I rejoice now in the

alliance with Germany, as the Russians are the most untrustworthy

intriguers.’ At that time I may have written I should say a thousand

pages, working day and night, using all sorts of arguments, and begging

and praying, but without the slightest result. And yet there was no

time to lose. Andrassy wished to retire. He, like myself, was tired,

and he could afford to rest and be lazy. He had already provided

himself with a successor, but considered it an honour to conclude

the treaty himself. Nor could I remain for ever in Vienna. Yet if it

were not now concluded with Andrassy, I felt the treaty would come

to nothing, as the others had no heart in it. Moreover, the Russians

might after all be able to come to terms with them against us. But the

Most Gracious did not understand this. Even in Berlin he continued

to hang back. At length he appeared to yield. I begged for leave of

absence, and it was granted in a particularly official tone. Hardly

had I turned my back when he issued a variety of contradictory orders,

and I was obliged to send Stolberg to him in order to bring him round

again. Stolberg behaved very well, and was not at all servile. And so

the thing was at length done, and I believe it will last. The Austrians

cannot help themselves now, and taken altogether the Emperor Francis

Joseph is honourable and trustworthy.”

“So he--I mean our Emperor--did finally sign it?” I remarked. “Until

now I thought, in spite of what the press said, that he had not done

so.”

“Yes, he _has_ signed it,” he replied.

“And it is a formal treaty, no mere protocol, as was stated?” I further

inquired.

He smiled as he answered in low German: “Dat kann ik Se nich seggen.”

(I cannot tell you that.)

“Well, I observed that your Serene Highness referred to it several

times as the ‘treaty.’”

“Yes,” he replied, “but that must not be written. You must not let

that be known. It would be all the same to me. I even wanted a public

treaty.”

He was silent for a few seconds, and then spoke about the weather.

“A very fine day. Last night we had three degrees of cold, and now

I should fancy there are fifteen degrees of heat. Can you see the

thermometer there? How high is it?”

“Nineteen degrees.”

He held his spectacles before his eyes and said: “Eighteen, no, you

are right, nineteen. I cannot go out, although I should like to; I

am afraid of catching cold. And yet I ought to show myself in the

Reichstag for once, and honour them with my presence. I have no mind

to it. I do not love their students’ club ways. For them the Party is

always the first consideration, and everything hinges upon that. It

is the case with the Conservatives as well as the Liberals. Instead

of working with the National Liberals, where it is obvious that the

leaders of the Left Wing no longer exercise their former influence,

instead of at least approaching them, the Conservatives prefer to

go with the Ultramontane Centre. And yet there is no trusting the

latter. I, too, desire peace, but they are not to be gained over by

any concessions whatever, so long as a Protestant Imperial House

rules here. Bennigsen manages his people very well. It is true that

nothing can be done with Rickert and the little Jew, Lasker. All the

same he acted sensibly with regard to Stosch. And Hänel, too, who is

otherwise accustomed to look up to the Court (the Crown Prince). He

ought to have been treated quite differently--I mean Stosch, a vain,

incapable fellow. But they are a servile lot. It is true that the Free

Conservative section is the party of the distinguished and the wealthy,

and it was their duty and that of the other Conservatives to oppose

anything that was really unwise or bad, otherwise they would have

forfeited their position. But they are all servile, Court Conservatives

in secret, and Court Liberals in public. They spare him because they

believe he is in favour with the successor, which is really not the

case, however.”

I observed that the same sort of thing happened in England, where they

all kneel and crawl on their stomachs before the Queen, and even look

up with devotion to the Prince of Wales.

He replied: “Perhaps, but it is harmless there. She has little to say

in matters of State, and cannot modify the policy of the Ministry of

the day. In that particular they do not hold with the Court, and do

not, as here, spare incapables because they are in favour there. And

he is not even liked by the future Master. He is only retained because

he is a Freemason of high degree. I have had that experience also with

others who were incompetent, but held high Masonic rank. He concluded

that mischievous military agreement with Saxony. I knew nothing

whatever about it until the Saxons appealed to its provisions, and

it was then too late. He did us harm also in France in 1871, when we

were negotiating respecting compensation for the troops that remained

behind, making us lose at least sixty millions. I do not want to bring

any charge against him, but one cannot help wondering what he got from

the Saxons and from Thiers. And our fleet, which has cost us such a

fearful amount of money, is quite worthless, because the right man has

never been put at the head of it. I thought it ought to be at least

equal to the Russian fleet, but it is not--the Russian is better. He

is a servile creature, and deceived the Emperor at the review. The

sailors had to show themselves smart well-drilled infantry men; and so

the Emperor, who is himself a foot soldier, thought everything was all

right. But they pass it over in the Reichstag because they do not wish

to offend the Court, and want orders and titles. It is just the same

with our press. Pindter, for example (the editor of the _Norddeutsche

Allgemeine Zeitung_), begged to be invested with a higher official

title. Well, he can have it. Those sort of people place their paper

at the disposal of the Government whenever it is wanted. But I should

prefer to be plain Herr Pindter, rather than Commissionsrath Pindter.”

The Chief then, after referring to Hohenlohe, “who also does not

wish to injure himself with the upper circles,” came to talk of the

appointment of the Secretary of State in the Foreign Office. There were

great difficulties in the way of this appointment, he said, as the

pecuniary position of those in view was such that they could not take

the post.

I asked: “Was Hatzfeldt really thought of in this connection?” “Yes,

but he cannot take it. He is in financial difficulties. He can manage

to get on as Minister in Constantinople, but not here. He would have

been capable enough. Hohenlohe cannot do so either. He has a great

château at Schillingsfuerst which costs him a great deal and brings

him in nothing. Radowitz, who is even more capable than Hatzfeldt, is

no better off in money matters. Moreover he has a Russian wife and six

children, which is also not quite the thing. Solms, in Madrid, is too

servile,--he would do everything that the Most Gracious desired.”

I: “How about Werther, in Munich, who used to write those brilliant

despatches with so little in them?”

He: “He, too, has not enough money.”

I: “He is understood to have a large estate in Thuringia, Beichlingen,

near Eckartsberg.”

He: “First of all that is not the place; then it is an entailed estate,

and his father has impressed upon him to live economically and extend

the property.”

I: “In that case I do not know any other who would be suitable.”

He: “Keudell, in Rome might be nominated.”

I: “He has a rich wife, but has he the ability?”

He: “Your question shows that you have formed a more accurate opinion

of him than others have done. He has a reputation for ability because

he knows how to hold his tongue, and people fancy that his silence

covers ideas and knowledge. I thought so too, but have convinced

myself that he has neither. Moreover, he is too hasty in judgment,

sanguine, and thoughtless. Finally, he would be unfair to his

subordinates, which would also be the case with Radowitz, who, it

is true, is not a German. Both are vain, and want admiration and

obsequiousness. Whoever is not prepared for that sort of thing will

find himself overlooked and treated with disfavour.”

I asked: “How is it now with the Empress, Serene Highness? Does she

still cause you difficulties?”

He: “Exactly the same as ever. She is still intriguing with the

Ultramontanes, and I know that the coarse and brutal notes which I have

received are due to her.”

He paused for a moment and then said: “Now if you have anything further

to say to me or to ask----”

I stood up, thanked him for giving me the pleasure of seeing him once

more, and took my leave, meeting Philippsborn in the first antechamber

on my way out.

I took the first part of this interview as the subject of an article

which appeared in No. 12 of the _Grenzboten_ under the heading “The

History of the German-Austrian Alliance.” This caused as great a

sensation in the German and foreign press as the previous articles on

Gortschakoff’s policy and the Fresh Friction.

The same number of the _Grenzboten_ contained another article by me,

which dealt with the second principal topic of the conversation of

the 9th of March. I had received, on the 10th of that month, further

materials for it from Count Herbert, on behalf of his father. It was

simply entitled “From the Reichstag.” The second half of this article

was also commented upon at great length in the Berlin newspapers....

About 12 o’clock on the 20th of March I received the following note

from Count Herbert:--

“My Dear Sir,--My father would be glad to see you, either

immediately if you have time, or at 2.30 P.M. He is going to

the palace at 1.45 to offer his congratulations. Therefore, if you

cannot come before 1 o’clock, 2.30 will be better.

“Respectfully,

“Count Bismarck.”

I was at No. 77 Wilhelmstrasse at 2.15, just as the Chief returned from

seeing the Emperor. In the hall I met Bucher, who looked very poorly

and complained of overwork. On my entering the Prince’s room I found

him sitting at his writing-table, which this time was so placed that

the Chief had his back towards the window opening on the garden. He had

on a grey coat, white trousers, and varnished top-boots, and wore an

order round his neck. He said, after shaking hands as usual, and while

he drew from an envelope the articles on the Treaty with Austria, and

on Stosch, which I had sent him on the previous day: “Did you send me

these?” I replied in the affirmative.

He: “H’m, I suppose, then, they are already printed?”

I: “Yes, already copied into the other papers and telegraphed to

London.”

He: “That’s a pity. On the whole, the article is very good--you have a

powerful memory--but there are some things in it which I should have

liked to see modified. It is somewhat too highly seasoned--too blunt.”

He then read aloud the passage in which it was stated that even towards

the end the Emperor still manifested great reluctance, and said: “That

is true, but it is too strongly expressed.” He then went on reading,

and on coming to the part in which the trickery and mendacity of

Russia were mentioned, he observed: “That is also true, but it ought

to have been expressed with more diplomatic tact, now that they struck

a different chord. Of course, what we now want is peace, after we have

buckled on our armour, or our revolver. And it would also have been

better if both articles had not appeared in the same number. Then a

great deal is mentioned which was not intended for the public, but only

for your own private information. They will now mark these passages and

send them to him--she (the Empress) or Prince Charles, who always tries

to injure me, and who has always been very Russophil, like his sister,

Alexandrine of Mecklenburg. He also knows why!”--and he made a motion

as if he were counting out money.

“Money, Serene Highness?” I asked.

“Well, or----Surely you know--the old rake!”

I observed: “Perhaps it would interest your Serene Highness to see

how an English correspondent has telegraphed the whole article at

full length to the _Daily Telegraph_ in London, so that it appeared

there simultaneously with the publication in the _Grenzboten_. In many

instances he has toned down the original.”

“Yes, I should be glad to see that,” he said. I gave him the newspaper.

He read the beginning, and then said: “Leave it with me, and I will

return it later.”

I now said: “Might I ask what is the attitude of England towards the

alliance?”

He replied: “They are entirely engrossed in the elections. A great deal

will depend upon the result. The Italians hope that Gladstone will be

victorious. You have doubtless read their assurance that they wish to

retain friendly relations with all the Powers, but reserve the right

to act in accordance with their own interests? They are like carrion

crows on the battle-field that let others provide their food. They were

prepared in 1870 to fall upon us with the others, if they were promised

a piece of the Tyrol. At that time a Russian diplomat said: ‘What!

they are asking for something again, although they have not yet lost a

battle!’”

I said: “Of these it is only the Piedmontese who seem to be any good as

soldiers. Always covetous and always weak. Look at Lissa, where their

powerful fleet was shamefully beaten, and their admiral fled like a

coward. If they would only seek to strengthen their position at home,

where no Ministry lasts more than a few months, and where the people

are crushed by taxation and debt!”

“Yes,” he replied, “that is the real _irredenta Italia_. They ought to

take that in hand instead of thinking of conquests. But one day they

will find themselves in the same case as Spain under Isabella, and the

Papal States and the Kingdom of Naples will be once more restored.

Russia and Italy are the only Powers opposed to peace. Russia who is

not satisfied with her 400,000 square (German) miles of territory and

wants further conquests. Well, I don’t know of anything else to tell

you.”

I suggested: “I thought I might at the same time get instructions to

write about the Pope.”

“Yes,” he said, “it might be pointed out that Leo’s conciliatory

attitude should not be over-estimated. Not only the _Germania_, but

also the Progressist journals exaggerate it, but only for the sake of

opposition, in order that they may be able to say, ‘The Curia desires

peace, but the Imperial Chancellor will not have it.’ The present

Pope is, it is true, more reasonable, and, perhaps, more moderate

than his predecessor, but the utterances in his letter are after all

capable of many interpretations, and on the whole are more academic

than practical. Of what good is it for him to say: ‘I believe I shall

be able to consent to this or to that?’” He then quoted a Latin

sentence, and continued: “And who will vouch for the accuracy of the

interpretation which is now being placed upon it? Who will guarantee

that his successor will think in the same way? The Church has been

putting forward the same claims for a thousand years, and will continue

to do so. One Pope may carry out the old policy in a more peaceful, or

in a bolder and more imperious fashion than another, but at bottom the

policy itself is always the same. The May laws remain, but if they show

moderation in Rome we can administer them in a less rigorous way--a

_modus vivendi_. There are many people, however, who desire to have

peace at any price, and would even go to Canossa--to save themselves

trouble. These include, for example, the Minister of the Interior and

the Crown Prince. He wants above everything to have peace and a quiet

life, and nothing to trouble him. He will not go into battle. It is

just like the septennate with regard to the army. He wanted a permanent

grant in order to avoid fresh struggles, as he thought his turn would

come within the next few years, and he thinks so now, for the old

gentleman can hardly live to be ninety.”

At this moment the Princess entered the room and showed him a paper

that seemed to refer to to-day’s birthday celebration. She asked if

they were to illuminate. He said: “No, but it would perhaps be better

to ascertain first whether any of the other Ministers were inclined to

disobey the order,” which was probably contained in the paper. “In

that case I shall also disobey--_i.e._, disobey myself for it was I who

issued the order. I suppose the flags have been hung up, however?” The

Princess replied in the affirmative.

When she had left I remarked: “What your Serene Highness has just said

about the Crown Prince bears out the description of him which you gave

me in 1870 during the drive from Beaumont to Vendresse--a pleasant life

without much thought or care, plenty of money, and praise from the

newspapers.”

“Yes, that is his character,” he replied. “Like his grandfather

Frederick William III., whom he resembles in other respects also. Of

course you have read the Memoirs of Caroline Bauer?” “Yes,” I replied.

“And those of old Hofrath Schneider.” “Ah, quite so; he also tells

similar stories, but in his innocence does not know what injury they do

him. The old King used to drive seven times a week from the Pfaueninsel

or the palace at Potsdam to the theatre in Berlin, in order to see

worthless commonplace pieces, and afterwards to go behind the scenes

and chuck the actresses under the chin, and then drive back the long

dusty road he came. That is also the Crown Prince’s style--he wants

to amuse himself, not to govern. It may turn out badly some day when

I am too weak to do anything more, and we may lose ground again in

many ways. It is true he wishes to keep me, but I shall go. In future,

a Great Elector or a Frederick the Great, will not be required. A

Frederick William I. would suffice, or even a Frederick William II.,

for he would not have been so bad had he not been rendered effeminate

by the women.”

I said: “But you were satisfied with the article on Stosch, Serene

Highness?”

He: “Up to the present I have looked chiefly at the first one.

Moreover, anything one likes may be said about him. That is a matter

of indifference to me. He cannot come in my way. He speculates upon

the Successor, and owing to his position among the Freemasons, he has

managed to give some people the idea that he has a certain prestige

with the Crown Prince. There are some others also who dined together

recently and divided the duchies amongst themselves as at Wallenstein’s

banquet. How does that passage run? Ah, I can’t remember.” I quoted it.

“Sie theilen dort am Tische Fuerstenhuete aus. Des Eggenberg, Slawata,

Lichtenstein, des Sternbergs Gueter werden ausgeboten. Wenn er hurtig

macht, fällt auch für ihn was ab.”

The Chief smiled and said: “Friedenthal was also one of them, a vain,

intriguing fellow, whom I was glad to see go. Then Gneist--of whom I

had rather a good opinion formerly, but who lacks character, and is a

trimmer--Delbrück and Falk, and also Rickert. Falk has spoken about my

relations with him in a way that cannot be reconciled with the truth. I

have always taken his part, and acted as mediator between him and our

Most Gracious, causing myself thereby a great deal of worry. Hohenlohe

is apparently to preside over this new Ministry, in order to secure it

some prestige. He has been selected as their Chancellor.”

“And,” I said, “who has not already wished to be Chancellor? Even

Münster, the Cloud-compeller!”

“Yes,” he replied, “and others too, because it is such an easy task.

That reminds me how the Elector of Hesse sent his own doctor to

Bernburg to make inquiries as to the mental condition of the last Duke.

He reported that he had found him worse than he had expected, quite

imbecile. ‘But, good Heavens! he cannot govern in that case!’ exclaimed

the Elector. ‘Govern?’ replied the doctor, ‘Why, that will not prevent

him.’”

The Chief then came to speak of his conduct of affairs and of the

trouble and cares and dangers he had gone through, and of the opponents

who had declaimed and worked against him during the past eighteen

years. “I had frequently to apprehend danger and ill-will from several

directions at the same time, and occasionally from all quarters of

the compass.” He smiled and then continued: “That reminds me of

Gerstäcker, of whom a comic paper once gave a picture in which he was

simultaneously attacked by a boa constrictor, a lion, a crocodile and a

bear, while he was exclaiming: ‘Why, what a fine article this will make

for the _Augsburger Zeitung_!’ But seriously, I am not good enough for

this company, who know everything better, and think that a successor

would manage things so much more cleverly. But, _contenti estote_, rest

satisfied with your daily ration.”

On his referring again to Friedenthal and his disposition to

intrigue, I said: “Why, there we have three or four Jews in

combination--Friedenthal, Falk, and Rickert. In future it will be

just the same here as in England and in France--Beaconsfield and

Gambetta, with the Hebrew tail of the 1870 Government. Andrassy is also

understood to have Jewish blood in his veins.”

“No,” he replied, “they say it is gipsy blood, and he looks as if he

had that. But Rickert? Is he also one of the chosen people?”

I said: “I do not know him personally, but I have heard so, and indeed

he is believed to belong to the unbaptised variety.”

“I should really like to know that for certain,” he said. “Please make

inquiries.”

I promised to do so. He rang the bell, and asked for the Parliamentary

Almanac, and looking up Rickert’s name, found that he was described

as belonging to the Evangelical Church. His birthplace and indeed

all closer particulars were omitted, and this the Chief considered

“suspicious.” He then observed: “Friedenthal has even come forward as

a National Jew. He will not permit the _Post_ to attack Lasker or the

Jews. Treitschke wrote good articles for it, in fact the most brilliant

they had ever had. But when he began to attack Lasker, Friedenthal, who

is one of the principal shareholders, intervened with his veto.”

He then spoke once more about his future retirement, and said: “How

difficult it is to replace even Bülow! The gentlemen sit in their

comfortable embassies and will not come here to undertake the heavy

work. Hatzfeldt would do. He is intelligent and serviceable, but has

no proper income, and might be tempted to associate himself with the

financiers. It would be necessary to give him a grant. In that way the

thing could be managed. Hohenlohe also is clever, but he allows others

to use him for their own purposes. There is my eldest son, who has been

working under my guidance for seven years, and who promises well--but

that would not do, as he is only thirty.”

With these words he rose and gave me his hand. As I was leaving

he called after me: “Quite gently and diplomatically--I mean your

writing.” I had been with him over fifty minutes. In the second

antechamber I met the Privy Councillor of Embassy, Von Bülow, who had

been waiting there and who exchanged a few friendly words with me.

From what the Prince had told me of his attitude towards the Curia,

I wrote an article, which appeared in No. 13 of the _Grenzboten_,

entitled “The Conciliatory Pope.”

Towards the first week in April the newspapers began to talk of a

Chancellor crisis. After that had gone on for a few days I wrote to

the Chief (on Friday, the 9th of April) suggesting that if I could be

of use to him he should give me information in the matter. On the 11th

I received a letter from Sachse in which I was requested to visit the

Chancellor on Monday at 4 o’clock. I kept the appointment punctually,

and had to wait a quarter of an hour, as the Prince had disappeared

in the garden. At length I saw him walking in the grounds attached to

the Foreign Office. He was in plain clothes, carried a big stick in

his hand and was accompanied by his two dogs. Theiss went out to him

and informed him that I had come. In a few minutes I was summoned to

him in his study. “How are you, doctor?” he said. “Things have again

been going badly with me during the last few days. I have been worrying

over our officials--over the clownishness of Stephan--and others are

just the same. The newspapers give a false account of the origin of

the present crisis, and I would request you to rectify it. It has not

turned solely or even chiefly on the attitude of the non-Prussian

Governments in the question of taxing receipt stamps on Post Office

Orders and advances, but to fully as great an extent on the improper

behaviour of our officials. You know I have repeatedly complained

in public of Prussian Particularism in regard to the arrangements

and requirements of the Empire. During my frequent long absences one

arbitrary proceeding has followed another, so that a kind of Republic

of the Polish type has grown up, in which each departmental chief

insists not only upon having views of his own, but also upon putting

them into execution. _Vortragende Räthe_ (Councillors who have the

privilege of direct intercourse with their chief), whose views are not

in agreement with those of the heads of their department, and even

Ministers who differ from me in their opinions, endeavour to give

practical effect to their ideas, and that too as if it were a matter

of course. But it is nothing of the kind, and it is obvious that that

cannot be permitted by the head of the Government of the Emperor and

King.”

He paused and seemed to expect that I would write down what he had

said. Before I had come in he had placed a fold of blotting paper,

several sheets of foolscap, and two freshly-pointed pencils at the

side of the writing-table where I usually sat. I began by making a

note of a few of the principal points, but I now wrote down everything

he said literally, he speaking more slowly and in tolerably regular

sentences. The following, therefore, after a few introductory words

referring to what had been previously communicated, was published in

the form of an article entitled “The Cause of the Chancellor Crisis,”

in the _Grenzboten_ of the 15th of April. In this way the _Grenzboten_

had the honour of having the German Imperial Chancellor as one of its

contributors. He said or dictated:--

“So far as we know (I afterwards added: ‘and we believe ourselves to be

well informed’) there is absolutely nothing in the Chancellor crisis

that tends towards any change in the Constitution. Nothing is farther

from the Prince’s mind. He considers the Federal Constitution fully

sufficient if the rights which it accords to the individual States

are exercised with moderation. Any irregularities or stoppages of

the machinery have been due in part to the procedure of the Federal

Council, and in part to the circumstance that many Governments have

not attached sufficient value to the exercise of their right to vote.

According to the practice hitherto followed, too much importance has

been given to the committees and too little to the general meetings.

The former have discussed matters at great length, while on the other

hand, the plenary sittings have been almost exclusively devoted to

questions which had been so far settled by the committees that nothing

remained to be done beyond taking the simple decision, Yes or No. It

was, therefore, not possible for those Governments that had not been

included in the committees in question, or had found themselves in a

minority there, to secure consideration for their views at the plenary

meeting, and to bring about a timely understanding, without causing

great delay either by asking for fresh instructions or by referring

the matter back to the Committee. The balance of parties is not the

same in the committees and in the plenary Council. If the committees’

majorities carry their resolutions into effect they deprive the

unrepresented Governments of their due influence. If on the other hand,

the negotiations and discussions of these matters were transferred from

the committees to the plenary meeting the views of all parties would

receive timely consideration.

“We must here repeat what we said at the commencement” (this sentence

was mine), “namely, that during the frequent absences of the Chancellor

there has arisen among a section of the Prussian officials a condition

which borders on absolute indiscipline; and, if it be true that the

Prince has stated that he hardly ever succeeds in securing due regard

for his legitimate authority without raising the Cabinet question, it

is quite certain that a remedy is absolutely indispensable unless

the prestige of the Federal Council and of its chief is to suffer

irreparable damage. The Federal Council cannot become a public meeting,

at which each official of the Ministry may, without authority and

at his own good will and pleasure, give expression to his personal

opinions on every question, and endeavour to secure their adoption.

“If the Royal decree lays stress on the conflict of duties in which

the Imperial Chancellor may be involved under the Constitution,

that difficulty can scarcely be overcome by an alteration of the

Constitution in a manner acceptable to all concerned, but rather by

a statesmanlike and prudent exercise on the part of all concerned

of the rights bestowed by the Constitution. This does not mean that

the Chancellor would be justified in declining to co-operate in the

execution of a decision taken by the Federal Council. But assuming that

he is bound to carry out such a decision and is therefore the immediate

official representative of a decision for the consequences or the

principle of which he may find himself unable to accept responsibility,

it could hardly be contended any longer that he occupied a responsible

position, but on the contrary that the post could be filled equally

well by any subordinate official who would have simply to carry out the

instructions given to him.

“It can scarcely contribute to strengthen the constitutional

organisation of the Empire, to force the Imperial Chancellor, and

with him the three largest Federal States, into a position in which

they must appeal to the lawful privileges of the minority. For the

Chancellor, on his own initiative, to refuse to carry out a formal

decision of the Federal Council would be a course barely compatible

with the consideration which he owes in his official capacity to the

majority of the Federal Governments. A sense of official propriety

would probably lead the Chancellor in such circumstances to avoid

having to execute a resolution for which he could not accept the

responsibility, by tendering his resignation, thereby announcing

his readiness to co-operate in the selection of a successor whose

convictions should not stand in the way of the Federal resolution.

Anyhow, the best solution would be not to drive things to extremities.”

At this point it seemed as if something pressing had suddenly occurred

to him. He rang the bell, and asked the Chancery attendant to call

Privy Councillor Tiedemann, whom he then requested to ascertain at

the palace what had been done in connection with the _pro memoria_,

which ought to be dealt with promptly and without delay. He was to go

immediately and make inquiries. When Tiedemann had left, he said: “The

_pro memoria_ concerns the matter on which we are engaged. But where

was I?” I read him the last sentence, and he then continued: “Oh yes!

The prevention of such crises as the present will be facilitated if

less importance is given to the discussions in Committee, and more to

those in the plenary sittings, and if the custom which has recently

arisen, for half and even more than half of the Federal Governments not

to be individually represented at these plenary sittings, is abandoned.

The practice of appointing proxies is based solely upon the rules of

procedure, and not upon the terms of the Constitution. The matter would

take a very different complexion if the decisive plenary sittings took

place only during a relatively short period within the Parliamentary

Session, instead of being spread over the greater part of the year,

according to daily requirements, as has hitherto been the case.”

He then, without giving any indication that the interview was at an

end, took up a document on which the word “Memorandum” was written,

made a few corrections in it, had Sachse called and gave him

instructions to “have that copied in the same hand.”

He then turned to me again, asked me to read over the last sentence

he had dictated, and said: “That will be enough. Do you wish to know

anything further?”

I: “What does your Serene Highness think of the result of the elections

in England?”

He: “The matter is not one of importance for us. The Russians, however,

expect a great deal from it. But the Liberals must in general follow

the same lines as Beaconsfield. That is always the case here too. If

the National Liberals were to come into office, they would find that

affairs could not be carried on as they imagine.”

I: “It is just the same with Crown Princes. They almost always hold

different views to the reigning sovereign, or act as if they did. They

are for the most part Liberal, and yet when they themselves assume

responsibility they must follow the same course as their predecessors.

I say they act in that way, as doubtless the difference is often only

apparent. It seems to me that modern Princes have no self-reliance, no

real belief in themselves, and feel dependent upon public opinion, or

the party doctrines which pass themselves off as public opinion. Our

dynasties consider it necessary to win the sympathies of all parties,

and therefore Crown Princes take credit to themselves for being of a

different political or religious opinion to the reigning sovereign,

Liberal when he is Conservative, or very advanced when he is only a

moderate Liberal. When they ascend the throne and have to assume the

responsibility of their actions, they throw their theories overboard,

if they ever seriously believed in them, and enter into the hard world

of reality where facts and not aspirations are the determining forces,

and where one is met by impossibilities which it is necessary to reckon

with or submit to.”

He listened to me attentively, and when I had finished, said: “You are

quite right. That was a very just observation. But even if the English

were to come to an understanding with the Russians, and were to be

joined by Italy, which has always been coquetting with the English

Liberals, that would not lead to any great danger, and might turn out

badly for the Italians. The closer England draws to Russia the more she

drifts away from France. A combination would then arise in the East

which would threaten French interests in that quarter, and particularly

in the Mediterranean, where they are different from those of Russia and

England. The same remark applies to England’s relations with Italy.

In certain circumstances the result might be an understanding between

France and Austria and ourselves. As yet we cannot positively say what

we should have to offer in return--certainly not Alsace-Lorraine, but

perhaps something else. Italy, however, would fare badly in the matter,

as in that case Austria and France could easily come to terms. Italy is

like the woman in the fairy tale who had caught the golden fish--what

was her name? Ilsebill--and could never catch enough. The fish may have

to go back to their old places. Naples and the States of the Church may

be restored.”

I said: “In speaking to Tiedemann your Serene Highness mentioned

a memorandum on the causes of the present crisis, which had been

submitted to the King. What is his attitude in the affair?”

He replied: “Oh, satisfactory. Only he has not yet read the _pro

memoria_, as it is too long. He laid it on one side.... And Wilmowski

interferes. He considers it his duty and his right to put a finger in

the pie, and advise him--of course against me, for he is a Liberal. So

I have had a warning conveyed to him.” He stood up and said again: “The

clownishness of Stephan, who is quite insubordinate! That comes of his

self-assurance. King Stephan _versus_ King William! (smiling)--that

will never do, and you might say as much on some opportunity.”

I promised to do so at an early date, and then left. I had been with

him for about three-quarters of an hour. In the large antechamber I

saw Bleichröder’s birthday present to the Chief--a pipe-rack in carved

oak, and seven long cherrywood pipes with painted porcelain bowls

representing game, together with two large vases containing azaleas in

blossom.

I incorporated what the Chancellor had said to me respecting the

English elections and a possible co-operation between England, Russia

and Italy, in a _Grenzboten_ article, entitled, “The New Ministry in

England.” This was commented upon in leading articles in London, Paris

and Italy.

On the 25th of April, Lowe of _The Times_ called upon me, and wished to

have the same favours as Lavino “on the same conditions.” I told him

there was no other condition than that the copy should be telegraphed

across. He said he had a special wire. I promised to consider the

matter and let him know in a fortnight, after I had consulted the

publisher, who would have to send him proofs of the articles in

advance. Abel came to me on the 1st of May with a request that I should

oblige the _Standard_ in a similar way. He received the same answer.

On the 7th of May I concluded an arrangement with Lavino,[20] who had

in the meantime received authority from London by telegraph, and thus

became an “Occasional Correspondent” for his paper.

In the meantime, I had, on the 28th of April, received the following

letter from Bucher:--

“Esteemed Friend,--Kindly commit the indiscretion of handing

the enclosed to the correspondent of the _Daily Telegraph_. You must

not tell him anything more about it than appears in the introductory

part. For your information I may tell you that the affair is a (very

full) extract from an existing despatch. He has therefore no reason

to fear a _démenti_. Perhaps it would be well if you immediately

took a copy, so that you could publish it in the _Grenzboten_ as a

retranslation directly it arrives here in English, if you are not

forestalled by other newspapers. But the _D. T._ must have priority.

“Yours, Br.”

The enclosure was the text of a despatch by the Chief in which he

stated the position of the Prussian Government in the negotiations

for the settlement of the differences with the Curia and its German

allies. Only a few sentences were omitted from the original, which was

published in full a few weeks later. Lavino translated the document

into English, and it occupied a whole column of the _Daily Telegraph_

of the 3rd of May, appearing in the _Grenzboten_ two days later. So

far as I remember it was only noticed by the German press after the

document had been published in full, some of them then remembering

that they had seen the most important parts of it in the _Grenzboten_.

I now proceeded to Leipzig, but on Thursday, the 10th of May, received

a telegram from home stating that the Chancellor wished to see me that

evening at 9.30 P.M. I therefore returned to Berlin next

morning, announced my arrival in a letter to Sachse, and was received

at 9.5 A.M. by the Chief in his study, and had an interview

with him which lasted an hour and a half.

He began: “You were on a holiday?”

“Yes, Serene Highness, I was in Leipzig for a few days, but had left

word at home to telegraph if you sent for me, and so I am here.”

He: “That was too much. I only wished to speak to you on some matters

of principle. I would commend two subjects to your consideration. First

the exceptionally outspoken and cordial pleasure which the Liberals

manifest in their papers at the circumstance that in future I shall

let internal questions alone, and restrict myself to foreign affairs.

They argue that I know nothing about internal questions, and have

accomplished nothing. On that point you might read up Hahn’s book,

in which you will find detailed particulars. Who, then, proposed the

May laws, and persuaded Falk to agree to them in spite of innumerable

judicial scruples, which he only surrendered after long hesitation? Now

they extol them as a kind of Palladium, and so does he. But he showed

by no means as much energy against the Clericals in his administrative

capacity, as he does now in his Parliamentary speeches. And who carried

through the scheme for the purchase of the railways by the State?

Surely not their Camphausen, who, on the contrary, fought against it,

and tried with all his might to create delay. And yet it has turned

out well, even now, since Maybach is making money, and will cover the

deficit for us. Moreover, the gentlemen who--as they assert--wish

to strengthen the Empire by the development of the constitutional

system, forget that I twice carried the military septennate, and thus

avoided a dangerous conflict by acting as a mediator between the Crown,

which wanted the military budget to be permanently fixed, in order

to get rid of the differences once for all, and the Reichstag, which

insisted upon its constitutional right of supply,--avoided it twice,

as the conflict which formerly threatened would now have broken out

afresh. This time it was managed by an increase of the army, which

the Crown accepted as an equivalent, and which the Liberals in the

Reichstag consented to more readily than they would have done to a

renunciation of their constitutional rights. You may then refer to the

anti-Socialist laws which I proposed, and to which the Liberals raised

all sorts of objections. But I may regard as my chief service the new

Customs policy, which I forced through in spite of Delbrück, and in

dealing with which, I was not only opposed by the free-traders in the

Reichstag, but also by the Governments that held free-trade views, and

by their Councillors. As you know, in this case the initiative has

been taken by me, and I have also done most of the work in curing this

Delbrück disease.”

I took the liberty of interrupting him with the remark: “This Bright’s

disease in the economic body of the nation.”

“Yes,” he replied, smiling, “that’s what I mean--this Bright’s disease!

In the course of years we have become more and more pulled down by

it--grown poorer and poorer--and it was time that something should be

done in the matter. But for the five milliards of 1871 we should have

been close upon bankruptcy a few years sooner. It is true people will

not see that, but the nation knows it, for it feels the consequences.

The representatives of the learned classes, the lawyers and the holders

of invested property are not conscious of it. I have repeatedly

received addresses from the lower classes, as for instance, from

Westphalian miners, congratulating and thanking me. But my opponents

will have to open their minds still further, when I come to them with

my war tariffs, which they will of course fight against, and first of

all with the tariffs against Russia. Besides, I have been the only

champion of the national interests against Hamburg Particularism in

the free harbour question. In this matter the National Liberals, and

especially the Left wing, are rather Liberal and Particularistic than

National. Lasker, Bamberger, Wolfssohn, Rickert,--also a Jew, although

baptised a Protestant--are in this matter no better than Sonnemann,

the Socialists, the Poles and the Guelphs. They are only national when

it comes to opposing the pretensions of a monarch, as for instance the

King of Bavaria. But when, as in this case, it is the Particularism

of a Social Democratic republic where the Socialists have the upper

hand at the elections--that is quite another thing. Then Particularism

must be supported, and I must be opposed. That I have always taken a

determined stand against these people is a point upon which I may well

take credit to myself in connection with internal affairs.”

He paused for a moment and then continued: “It is I and I alone

who have taken up the struggle against the Centre party and its

wire-pullers, and gone through with it in spite of all the intrigues of

the Court. If a few paragraphs in the Ecclesiastical Bills should be

thought to give evidence of yielding, that is a mere optical delusion.

We make no terms with Rome, and will not go to Canossa, but we shall

endeavour to restore peace independently between ourselves and our

Prussian Catholics. It is better that Bishops should return accompanied

by triumphal processions than with wailings and complaints. In that

way they recognise that something has been conceded to them--a great

deal if they like to put it so. But if they do not then manage to get

on with us, why, we have the discretionary powers in our hands and can

remove them once more, or render them harmless in some other way. They

do not, however, understand that at the Dönhofplatz, nor do the Free

Conservatives either. That is the reason why I do not go there, as I

do not care to speak to deaf ears. It may yet come to my being obliged

to retire without the King’s permission. And then--a Bavarian painter,

Lenbach, made a good remark recently: ‘To deliver a good speech there,

is like letting off fireworks before the blind.’ Their policy is party

policy. Bennigsen and Miquel called on me a few days ago and wanted

to talk me into abandoning the Bill, but allowed themselves to be

persuaded by my arguments. A meeting of the party was held the same

evening and there they returned to their former position. You must,

however, say nothing about this in the press--as to our attitude

towards the Bill and the parties, that is only for your private

information. They must not think that we wish to influence them, and

if you were to say anything on the subject it would be immediately

regarded as a communiqué. Of course you are aware that Windthorst

recently described you as the leading official mouthpiece. We shall

first see what they make of the Bill. Perhaps that will suffice for us,

perhaps not.”

He again made a short pause, and afterwards continued: “And now as

to the second subject which you might treat. I should like to have a

sketch of the Centre party, showing that we should gain little from its

dissolution or reorganisation. The Conservatives would not be largely

reinforced thereby--that is through concessions on the part of the

Government with regard to the ecclesiastical laws.” He was silent for a

moment, and then, turning from this train of thought, he said:

“You know how Russia would never willingly permit us to grow too strong

as against France, lest the value of her own friendship and possible

assistance should be reduced. Her notion is that we should remain

dependent upon her, and under an obligation to render her equivalent

services. It is just the same with the Liberals, including the Right

wing. They think of themselves and of their party, first of all, and

want the Government to regard them as a power whose good will has its

price. They really look upon themselves as outsiders, and--so far as

the Government is concerned--as an opposition which must be won over

by concessions, and whose support must be duly appreciated and paid

for at the highest possible rate, and as promptly as may be. I must

always be made to feel that they are indispensable, in order that I may

be obliged to come to terms with them. For that reason the Government

must not be too strong, must have no secure majority, and therefore in

their hearts they are pleased at the existence of the Centre party.

Its numerical strength suits their views, however little they may have

in common with them as Ultramontanes. The Government should constantly

feel its weakness in presence of this opposition of 95 or 100 members,

and bear in mind the possibility of the Liberals refusing their

support. They, the Liberals, must be reckoned and negotiated with, and

their good will must be purchased. That is a party policy, and not one

which keeps in view the welfare of the State.”

He then returned to the Centre party, and explained to me that only

about one-third of its members could be won over by concessions on

the part of the Government to oppose the pretensions of the Curia and

to reinforce the supporters of the Ministry. “These are the Bavarian

nobles,” he continued, “and the South German nobles in general, as

well as those of Silesia. Not the Westphalians. The latter were never

reconciled to Prussian rule, and have always opposed the Government,

even before the Empire came into existence--even when the Pope himself

seemed to be quite satisfied with Prussia--I mean Pius IX., who said

that the Catholic Church was better off in Prussia than anywhere

else. The Westphalian nobles are sulking like the Guelphs out of

sheer Particularism. They cannot forget the old episcopal _régime_

and the advantages,--the fleshpots of Egypt--which they lost when it

disappeared. It is different again with another group of the Centre

party, with the Rhenish members, for example. They are, in the first

place, Liberal or Democratic Catholics, and only in a secondary sense

Ultramontane, Catholic Progressists, anti-Imperialists. Most of them

would not have got in on their Liberal programme. They were returned

to Parliament because they had promised to support the demands of the

Bishops and the Pope. They, like the Particularists of the Centre,

could not be won over by any concessions, however great, as they are

really Progressists, or little less.”

I was now about to leave, but he made a motion as if he wished me to

remain, rang the bell, and ordered a bottle of seltzer water. On this

being brought in by the attendant, he pointed to it and to a full

bottle of cognac which stood on the table, saying, “Now, old Yankee,

is that to your taste? Brandy and water. Help yourself! It is very

good cognac, or, at least, I have been told so. It is a present, and

may have cost twenty to thirty francs a bottle. I have some, however,

which is still better, although it only costs a thousand francs the

hectolitre.”

Whilst I inquired as to his own health and whether he intended to go to

Gastein this summer, and learnt in reply that his health was tolerable

but that he slept badly and felt fatigued, he had brought a large box

of cigarettes from which he asked me to help myself, at the same time

taking one himself, and remarking that he no longer found any real

enjoyment in smoking. It was the same with riding for the last year

and a half. He had to give it up, as it brought on a pain in the back.

I asked him whether he had received the book on the Jews which I had

handed to the Chancery attendant for him about a week before. “What

book?” he asked. _Israel and the Gentiles_, I replied. No, he had not.

I explained that I had sent a letter with it saying that it was written

by me, and that a glance at the preface might perhaps induce his Serene

Highness to look it through more carefully at Varzin or Friedrichsruh.

He remembered the letter, looked for the book on the writing-table

and the shelves near it, and said at last “Probably I have taken it

upstairs to read in bed, or Tiedemann has taken it.”

I then turned the conversation upon Lenbach, and remarked that the

picture representing the Chief in profile looking upwards was to my

mind the best portrait of him which I had seen.

He replied: “He has painted a whole crowd of them. The one you mean

came about in this way. I was looking up at a flight of birds in

Friedrichsruh. ‘Hold hard,’ Lenbach exclaimed, ‘that’s good. Please

stand still and I will sketch it in at once.’”

I then mentioned the photograph of the other portrait in which the

hair of his eyebrows was twisted upwards and he had a romantically

curled moustache, observing that I did not quite like it, as it was not

natural.

“No,” he said, “it is natural. It grows in that way until I shorten it

with the scissors.”

We then spoke of the enterprising Thorndike Rice, an American, who

published the New York monthly, _The North American Review_, I having

asked the Prince whether he had read Blowitz’s account of Rice’s

alleged visit and request. A few weeks previously Rice paid me several

visits, and after having first ordered an article on Bismarck,

introduced a further request by saying “You must not be offended, but

you know that we Yankees are bold enough when we have something in

view.” He then asked whether I could not procure for him an article

by Bismarck himself to be published in his periodical. He was quite

prepared to pay £500, half of it in advance, if I could manage that.

I said that it was “utterly impossible,” even if he were to give me

£1000, and explained the reasons. He then suggested that I should write

the article, to which the Prince need only put his name. Of course, I

also declined that proposal. He then contented himself with my promise

to write the article in question, and send it after him to Paris, and

to let him have further contributions later on. In about three weeks he

received the Bismarck article, which appeared in the July and August

numbers of his review under the title “Prince Bismarck as a friend of

America, and as a Statesman. By Moritz Busch.” I was paid at the rate

of 500 marks a sheet, an enormous sum according to German ideas, and

had moreover the honour of figuring with Gladstone as a contributor to

the American _Revue des Deux Mondes_. From a message sent by Blowitz

to _The Times_ it would appear that Rice, after his last visit to me,

called at the Chief’s to request him to contribute to his periodical,

and, of course, there also received a negative answer.

“The account is correct,” the Chief replied; “but he only spoke to my

son, through whom I informed him that I was too much occupied to be

able to gratify my strong taste for journalism, and to earn the large

sum of money which he had offered me.”

I then gave him an account of my conversations with Mr. Rice, and

afterwards asked him once more about Gastein. No, he replied, he must

rest himself, and wished to be quite alone away from everybody. He then

came to speak of his household, which costs him a great deal of money.

A successor could not make both ends meet if he were not also assisted

by a grant, the salary as Imperial Chancellor not being sufficient.

I said I had always been under the impression that he drew a salary

merely as Prussian Minister.

“It is the other way about,” he answered. “As Imperial Chancellor I

receive 18,000 thalers; as Premier and Minister for Foreign Affairs I

get nothing, and my expenses now come to 60,000 thalers a year. In this

house alone the lighting costs me 2,000 extra. It is most unpractically

built, full of dark passages and back-stairs, and it is only the

offices down stairs that I do not need to light myself. They have also

increased the inhabited house tax, the rent being reckoned at 5,000

thalers, which I consider unfair, although it is better than the other

house, the poor accommodation of which you know.” After I had made

a few remarks in reply, we both rose, an example which was followed

by his dog. This animal at first seemed to entertain evil intentions

respecting my coat or throat, but had grown quiet on his master

ordering him to lie down, when he crouched under the table and put his

head between my knees. The Prince told him to jump on the sofa, from

which he fetched a piece of wood. The Chief then took it from him and

pitched it into the niche between the two windows, the dog springing

after it. It is a savage animal which has already severely bitten and

torn the clothes of people well known in the house such as Chancery

attendants. In spite of the chastisement inflicted upon him with the

heavy leather whip that lies on the table, he has not considered the

error of his ways nor assumed politer manners. He appeared to take a

liking to me, however, and I had also later on occasion to congratulate

myself on his good will.

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