Mr. JENNER. Excuse me--that anyone includes any member of the staff of
this Commission?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. McKENZIE. And likewise it includes, does it not, any member of the
FBI, or the Secret Service or any other Federal agency?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. McKENZIE. And the same would apply to any State agency of Texas?
Mr. OSWALD. Sir, that would apply to anybody, no matter what his
position with any government agency or individual.
Mr. McKENZIE. Now, have you told the Commission during the hearings
here, since you have been testifying, only the facts as you knew them,
or the facts as you know them now?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. McKENZIE. And have you expressed opinions or speculated only when
the Commission or Mr. Jenner or myself have asked you to do so?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, I have.
Mr. McKENZIE. Have you testified, Mr. Oswald, truthfully to the best of
your recollection in each instance?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, I have.
Mr. McKENZIE. And in the event you have inadvertently made any mistake
on dates, addresses, or facts, do you now ask the Chairman's permission
to change your answer and correct any mistakes which you might have
made in the event a mistake is at any time hereafter called to your
attention?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I do so.
Mr. DULLES. Well, could I supplement that? In the event that you,
yourself, find any mistakes--I think you said if it was called to his
attention----
Mr. McKENZIE. Yes, sir.
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, I certainly will.
Mr. DULLES. May I just add here--I hope that that will be looked over,
the record will be looked over fairly promptly, so that we can make any
corrections within a reasonable length of time.
Mr. McKENZIE. Yes, sir; as soon as we receive it, Mr. Chairman, we will
do so.
Mr. JENNER. May I say in that connection, Mr. McKenzie, if you could
have him dictate that tape covering his memorandum, we can perhaps
actually incorporate that in the record, which you will receive.
Mr. McKENZIE. We cannot do it today, because we won't get to Dallas
until late this evening. And I am going to church tomorrow and teach
Sunday school and be with my children.
Mr. OSWALD. And I with mine, sir.
Mr. McKENZIE. I will make arrangements the first of the week to have it
done.
Mr. JENNER. Send it to Mr. Rankin.
Mr. McKENZIE. I shall.
If you receive from any source any further documentary information or
any type of information which might be considered as evidence by this
Commission, do you now ask the Commission's approval and permission to
deliver such documents or information, if any, to the FBI, so that the
information may be immediately forwarded to the Commission to assist in
preparing its final report?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I do.
Mr. DULLES. Is that satisfactory to you, Mr. Jenner?
Mr. JENNER. Yes, sir.
Mr. McKENZIE. Likewise, do you authorize me to deliver any like
information or documents which I may receive, discover or otherwise
have in my possession to the same agencies for the same purpose?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I most certainly do.
Mr. JENNER. Here, again, Mr. McKenzie, if anything is delivered, would
you have it delivered to Mr. Rankin, rather than to me?
Mr. McKENZIE. Yes, sir.
Have you ever applied for relief, unemployment compensation, or any
other form of welfare aid?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I have not.
Mr. McKENZIE. And I refer there, sir, to both the Federal Government
aid programs and likewise any aid program of the State of Texas or the
State of Louisiana.
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct--or any other State of the United States.
Mr. McKENZIE. I believe that you have previously testified to this, but
I want to make it absolutely clear.
Do you now believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was at any time an agent
of any agency of the United States Government, from the time that he
departed for Russia, until the day of his death on November 24, 1963?
Mr. OSWALD. I do not believe that he was an agent of any government.
Mr. McKENZIE. Prior to November 22, 1963, did you know of any
activities of Lee Harvey Oswald relative to the Fair Play for Cuba
Committee or his arrest in New Orleans, La.?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir, I did not.
Mr. McKENZIE. Mr. Oswald, what has been your position insofar as the
press is concerned, since the unfortunate and tragic happenings of
November 22, 1963?
Mr. OSWALD. My position with any news media, whether it be the
newspapers, magazines, television, et cetera, has been that--no
comment, and the only comment I ever made to any of them, at a very
early date, was that I would abide by the decision of the Commission
which is now known as the Warren Committee.
Mr. McKENZIE. Have you ever sought to elaborate or give any statement
to the press at any time?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I have not.
Mr. McKENZIE. Do you recall any statements made by Marina N. Oswald
expressing sympathy for President's family?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I do.
Mr. McKENZIE. And if you will, state the source of your recollection
and where the statement was made, and if she has ever made any
statement to that effect to yourself.
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; she did make a statement directly to myself. To
the best of my recollection, this was first done on Monday, November
25, 1963, at the Inn of the Six Flags, at Arlington, Tex., as Marina
and myself observed the beginning of the funeral for the President of
the United States.
Mr. McKENZIE. And was there anyone else present at that time?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; there were other people in the room. Whether or
not they overheard our conversation, I do not know, sir.
Mr. DULLES. You observed that on television, I gather?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct.
Mr. McKENZIE. Were there any Secret Service agents there at that time?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. McKENZIE. Were they in the room with you and Marina Oswald?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; they were.
Mr. McKENZIE. And did they overhear any expressions of sympathy which
she might have said?
Mr. OSWALD. It is possible that they did, sir.
Mr. McKENZIE. Have you ever testified in a lawsuit or given a
deposition before a court reporter prior to your appearance before this
Commission?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I have not.
Mr. McKENZIE. Now, you have testified that you have not given any
statements to the press other than the statement to the effect that you
would abide with and be satisfied with the report of this Commission.
Since arriving in Washington, and since you have been sworn under oath
before the Commission, have you given any statement to the press, other
than saying goodnight, or good afternoon, or good morning?
Mr. OSWALD. I believe at one time I did say thank you. Other than that,
sir, I have not.
Mr. McKENZIE. Now, have you read an article here in the New York Times
of Saturday, February 22, 1964, on page 22 of the first section,
entitled, "Russian training of Oswald hinted"?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I have.
Mr. McKENZIE. Do you know Mr. Anthony Lewis?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I do not.
Mr. McKENZIE. All right, sir.
Have you ever talked with Mr. Lewis?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; not to my knowledge.
Mr. McKENZIE. Now, you have testified this afternoon following our
lunch break that you visited Lee Oswald in the Dallas County Jail. Do
you recall that testimony--the testimony of just a few minutes ago?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I do.
Mr. McKENZIE. Have you previously testified to that before the
Commission, to your recollection?
Mr. OSWALD. To my recollection, I believe we at least touched on that
during our first session on February 20, 1963.
Mr. McKENZIE. When you were in the jail--and I believe it is in
the sixth floor of the Dallas County Jail--I mean the Dallas City
Jail--talking with your brother, Lee Harvey Oswald, did you ask him at
that time if he had committed the crime?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I had.
Mr. McKENZIE. You did ask him that question?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. McKENZIE. And what did he say?
Mr. OSWALD. I put it to him as stated in my diary, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Identify the page, please.
Mr. OSWALD. On page 12, "I do not recall everything he said. I did try
to point out to him that the evidence was overwhelming that he did kill
Police Officer Tippit and possibly the President. To this he replied
'do not form any opinion on the so-called evidence.'"
Mr. JENNER. Is that all he said? He said nothing else?