Mr. OSWALD. Pardon me, sir; may I interrupt you here? And I would like
to add something to my previous statement there.
Mr. DULLES. Please, yes.
Mr. OSWALD. Perhaps there is one other person that I feel like would
be involved in this affair, and the subsequent death of my brother,
Lee Harvey Oswald, and that was the man that actually shot Lee Harvey
Oswald, Mr. Jack Ruby or Mr. Rubenstein. And that would be the only
other party that I could possibly attempt to identify that I feel like
would have been involved and perhaps assisted Lee in this assassination.
Mr. JENNER. Would you please give us the basis of your opinion?
Mr. OSWALD. I am of the opinion, as previously stated, based on
newspaper accounts and magazine articles of Mr. Ruby's activities,
to the best of my remembrance, as reported in one newspaper I recall
reading after November 24, 1963, that a period of a couple of months, 2
or 3 months, prior to Mr. Ruby's killing my brother, Lee Harvey Oswald,
in a Dallas police station, that he appeared at the Dallas police
station and started making acquaintances at the Dallas police station
to the extent that he, from then on, appeared frequently and was able
to move about the Dallas police station very easily.
Based on that and the shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald, I am of the
opinion that Mr. Ruby did in fact know Lee Harvey Oswald prior to
Sunday, November 23, 19--Sunday, November 24, 1963, and that he was in
my opinion paid to silence Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. DULLES. This is based on--this opinion is based on what you have
read in the press subsequent to November 22?
Mr. OSWALD. November 24; sir, 1963, the day of my brother's death. Up
until that time I had never heard of Mr. Jack Ruby.
Mr. DULLES. I was including all of the press accounts that carried
through from the time of the assassination.
Mr. JENNER. Well, the witness has referred, of course, to events
immediately preceding November 22--that is Mr. Ruby's apparent interest
in--his frequent visits to the quarters--did you say the police
department?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; the Dallas police station.
Mr. DULLES. I was trying to get at also--to cover what you had
previously said about possible aid in connection with the assassination
of the President.
Is that based largely on what you have read subsequent thereto?
Mr. OSWALD. That is right.
Mr. DULLES. This question of mine covers the whole period of your
relationship with your brother.
Do you recall during that entire period, up to November 22, that
your brother made any comments with regard to President Kennedy of a
derogatory nature or character or of any other character? Did he ever
discuss the President with you during the whole period? Of course, he
was only President for the last 3 years.
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I do not recall at any time that he ever mentioned
President Kennedy's name or referred to him in any way, either pro or
con.
Mr. DULLES. Governor Connally--the same question.
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; not as Governor Connally.
Mr. DULLES. Or as Secretary of the Navy?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; to the extent that he had mentioned his letter
to Governor Connally, his request for his assistance in correcting the
dishonorable or undesirable discharge that he had received from the
United States Marine Corps.
Mr. DULLES. What was his comment with regard to Mr. Connally, Secretary
of the Navy, and later Governor?
Mr. McKENZIE. If you recall, go ahead and tell him. But it is covered
in some of the letters previously introduced into testimony.
Mr. JENNER. If there was any discussion, I would like to have that. And
I take it, Mr. Chairman, you are interested in that as well.
Mr. DULLES. I am interested in that, because there has been some
testimony here from Mrs. Oswald to the general effect that he had not
expressed any antipathy to Secretary of the Navy and Governor Connally,
but rather the contrary. I would like to get your impression of that,
what he might have said to you on that subject.
Mr. OSWALD. All right.
I do recall a conversation at my home in Fort Worth, Tex., between
myself and Lee Harvey Oswald----
Mr. JENNER. Fix the time, please.
Mr. OSWALD. Approximately the middle part of June 1962, at which
time the subject was brought up by him about his efforts to have the
discharge corrected to an honorable discharge, and that again he
advised me that he had written to the then Secretary of the Navy, John
B. Connally, and that Mr. Connally, or his office had replied that he
was no longer the Secretary of the Navy, and that he had turned over
the correspondence to the then Secretary of the Navy, Mr. Korth, I
believe.
Mr. McKENZIE. Mr. Fred Korth.
Mr. OSWALD. I do not recall any further discussion on that subject. And
he did not indicate to me the pro or con of any antipathy toward Mr.
Connally.
Mr. DULLES. He expressed no antipathy?
Mr. JENNER. As a person?
Mr. OSWALD. As a person, he did not make any comment, sir.
Mr. JENNER. And did he at any time, apart from this particular event
you are now relating, at any time prior to November 22, 1963, ever
express any antipathy toward Governor Connally as a person?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; he did not.
Mr. DULLES. Did you ever hear Marina Oswald express any views about
President Kennedy one way or the other?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I do not recall at any time that she has expressed
any views on Mr. Kennedy.
Mr. DULLES. Do you recall at any time that Lee Harvey Oswald expressed
antipathy to government in general, people in authority, leaders?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I do not recall.
Mr. DULLES. Did he express any--apart from the letters, what he said
in his letters to you, which we have--but after he returned from the
Soviet Union, and during the period you saw him, subsequent to his
return, did he ever discuss with you the failures of government, that
government itself was not good, or if the kind of government we had in
the United States was not good, as was expressed to some extent in the
letters?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I do not recall at any time other than in his
letters during the period of the latter part of 1959, at any time that
he made any derogatory remarks about any official or any particular
leader or the government of the United States.
Mr. DULLES. And that statement would include General Walker, would it?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; it most certainly would.
Mr. DULLES. He never discussed General Walker with you?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I never heard him mention the gentleman's name.
Mr. DULLES. Did your brother have any sort of pet hatreds,
institutions, people or otherwise, that he disliked, apart from what he
said in his letters?