Mr. JENNER. Yes, sir.
Mr. OSWALD. The word "discourteous"--my mother did not wish us to go
to certain places--I say certain places--I do not recall the places.
She just did not want us going, inasmuch as we were going during the
day. I wanted to see as much of New York as I could while I was there.
And I recall that Lee and mother and I had something of an argument in
reference to staying away from the house during the day so long, and so
forth. And it was not her wish that we do that. And if this was being
discourteous--that is why I qualify that.
Mr. JENNER. Nothing extraordinary.
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Now, your leave terminated. You went back to Florida, and
you eventually wound up in Korea.
Mr. OSWALD. That's correct, sir.
Mr. DULLES. Could I ask a question before we leave the New York period?
While you were there, was there any discussion about these absences
from school which I think took place just the months before you were
there--although I am not absolutely clear on that. It seems to me as
I understand it your mother and Lee arrived in the Bronx area around
September of '52, I think it was, and this was in the summer of '53
that you visited them there, is that correct?
Mr. OSWALD. That's correct, sir.
Mr. DULLES. So that according to what I recall--and this may not be
accurate--what is referred to as the truancy, the 46 days absence from
school, had occurred some time prior to your visit. Maybe you do not
recall that. That did not come up at all?
Mr. OSWALD. No; it did not come up at all.
Mr. DULLES. Did anything come up about a psychiatric examination?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; it did not.
Representative FORD. There was no mention of the farm?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir.
Mr. DULLES. So the psychiatric examination was not mentioned in your
presence?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir.
Mr. JENNER. It had taken place I think in May of 1953.
Mr. OSWALD. If I may, sir--mother did mention that Lee had appeared
before a judge, and she said it was a Negro judge. I asked why, and she
said because he had been absent from school too long, no specific dates
or length of time was mentioned, and that they were stricter in New
York about that than in Texas.
Representative FORD. Did this bother her, disturb her? Did she indicate
the reaction to that?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir--at that time I do not recall any reaction that she
had, or any comment she made about it. She just very briefly stated
that he had appeared before this Negro judge in New York City, and just
what I previously related about it. That was the only thing she said
about it.
Representative FORD. She did not mention a man named Carro?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; nobody's name was mentioned, not even the judge's
name.
Mr. JENNER. To the best of your present recollection, that is about
all that occurred in the way of conversation respecting some possible
truancy?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. That is all you now can recall.
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; that's correct.
Mr. JENNER. You were mustered out of the Marines in July of 1955.
Mr. OSWALD. That's correct, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Did you return--well, when you were mustered out, where did
you go?
Mr. OSWALD. Fort Worth, Tex.
Mr. JENNER. And where were your mother and brother living at that time?
Mr. OSWALD. In New Orleans, La.
Mr. JENNER. Were you still single?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Would you explain why you went to Fort Worth, Tex., rather
than to New Orleans?
Mr. OSWALD. I considered Fort Worth, Tex., my home. I wanted to go
there. I had quite a few friends. I wanted to find a job in Fort Worth,
Tex. And that is where I wanted to live.
Mr. JENNER. And you did undertake residence there?
Mr. OSWALD. I did, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Have you continued to be a resident of Fort Worth, Tex.,
ever since?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir, I have not.
Mr. JENNER. Indicate in short compass where you have resided since you
got out of the service?
Mr. OSWALD. From 1955 I resided in Fort Worth, Tex., until March of
1963. From March of 1963 until September 1963, I resided in Malvern,
Ark. And from September until present date I have resided in Denton,
Tex.
Mr. JENNER. Did you visit your mother and your brother in New Orleans
when you returned from the service in July of 1955?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I did. I did not--yes, sir, it was in July 1955
when I made my first trip from Fort Worth, Tex., to New Orleans, La. I
had purchased a car the second day I was home from the service, a 1951
Chevrolet, and I drove it on the third day or the second night to New
Orleans, La.
Mr. JENNER. Were your quarters in a hotel, or did you join your brother
and mother?
Mr. OSWALD. I joined my mother and brother.
Mr. JENNER. How long did you stay in New Orleans on that trip?
Mr. OSWALD. Approximately 1 week.
Mr. JENNER. And you lived with your mother and brother?
Mr. OSWALD. That's correct.
Mr. JENNER. That was in July of 1955?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; that's correct.
Mr. JENNER. He was not in school at that time.
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; he was not.
Mr. JENNER. Now, how did you find your brother, as to the state of
health and state of mind?
Mr. OSWALD. He seemed to be the same to me. He had joined at that
time--no, sir--he had not at that time been in the Civil Air Patrol.
At that time Lee was working I believe for an export firm there in New
Orleans. I do not know the name of it. I do not believe I ever heard
the name of it. I might have. Mother was also working at that time.
Mr. JENNER. Had you seen your brother in the interim--that is the
interim between the 10-day leave in New York City and your return from
Korea in July of 1955?
Mr. OSWALD. There was one leave, or perhaps it was this time in 1955
that Lee was in the Civil Air Patrol there in New Orleans, because I
remember his uniform that he had. And we went out to lunch on a Sunday
afternoon. And he had his uniform on--mother, he, and I.
Mr. McKENZIE. Robert, he asked you this--if between the time you went
to New York City and left there, and the time you went to Korea and
came back, and you were mustered out of the Marine Corps, did you see
your brother at any time during that period of time?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I recall now. Leaving Miami, Fla., in
1954--January or February--I took another 10-day leave, I believe it
was, and I traveled to New Orleans first, where mother and Lee was, and
at this time he was in the Civil Air Patrol. And I spent 3 or 4 days
there in New Orleans.
Mr. JENNER. You stayed with your mother and brother?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes; I did.
Mr. DULLES. When you come to a good place, Mr. Jenner, we will stop for
5 minutes.
Mr. JENNER. The Commission's convenience is my convenience.
Representative BOGGS. May I ask one or two questions.
Your brother John--is he alive?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Representative BOGGS. Where is he?
Mr. OSWALD. San Antonio, Tex., in the U.S. Air Force.
Mr. DULLES. He is a half brother.
Representative BOGGS. He is your older brother?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Representative BOGGS. How old is he?
Mr. OSWALD. He is 32 now.
Representative BOGGS. You never had any problems in school or in the
Marine Corps, did you--I mean serious problems?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; no serious problems.
Representative BOGGS. You always had problems. But you never were in
any trouble?
Mr. OSWALD. I have never been in any serious trouble in my life.
Representative BOGGS. Ever been arrested?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir. The only time I was on the inside of a jail was
one time in Hazel, Tex., when I refused to sign a traffic ticket on the
spot and I requested to be taken to the courthouse.
Representative BOGGS. Did you ever have any psychiatric mental troubles?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir.
Representative BOGGS. Did you consider your brother a normal human
being?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I most certainly did.
Representative BOGGS. In every way?
Mr. OSWALD. In every way.
Representative BOGGS. Did he ever give you any indications of
being--did he ever discuss with you such things as shooting at General
Walker?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir.
Mr. McKENZIE. In order to clear something up, Mr. Boggs, let me ask one
question, if I may, for the record.
Mr. DULLES. Please. Do you want this on the record or off?
Mr. McKENZIE. Robert, from the time that your brother, Lee Harvey
Oswald came back from Russia, when was this?
Mr. OSWALD. This was in June 1962.
Mr. McKENZIE. And then when was the next time that you saw him after he
came to your home in Fort Worth, Tex., in June of 1962?
Mr. DULLES. Just after he returned from Russia?
Mr. McKENZIE. Yes.
Mr. OSWALD. I saw him on a number of occasions there in Fort Worth,
Tex., after he moved out of my residence to mother's, from mother's
apartment to his apartment with Marina, and the children, and when they
moved to Dallas, Tex., that was the last time I saw him.
Mr. McKENZIE. When did he move to Dallas, Tex.
Mr. OSWALD. This was approximately October 1962.
Mr. McKENZIE. All right, from the time of October 1962, when was--from
then when was the next time you saw him?
Mr. OSWALD. On November 23, 1963.
Mr. McKENZIE. Where was that?
Mr. OSWALD. At the Dallas County Jail or Dallas City Jail.
Mr. McKENZIE. It was the Dallas City Jail.
Mr. OSWALD. Dallas City Jail.
Mr. McKENZIE. What were those circumstances? Were you in a room with
him or were you talking to him through a partition or over a telephone
or what, explain that to the Commission, if you will?
Mr. OSWALD. I was talking to him over a telephone through a glass
window, and he was on the locked side.
Mr. McKENZIE. So for a period of over a year from the time he left Fort
Worth and moved to Dallas, Tex., you did not see him, is that correct?
Mr. OSWALD. That is correct, sir.