Mr. JENNER. You mean your mother and Lee--that is the period of time
they were in New York City?
Mr. OSWALD. That's correct.
Mr. JENNER. Living there.
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Did you see them?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; not at that time. I spent my leave in Fort Worth,
because I did not feel I had enough time to travel to New York and down
to Jacksonville, Fla. After completing metalsmith school at Millington,
Tenn., I took a 10-day leave.
Mr. JENNER. Fix the time.
Mr. OSWALD. This was July or August of 1953. I had my orders to go
to Miami, Fla. I took a 10-day leave and left Millington, Tenn., by
car and came to New York City and spent 10 days in New York with Lee,
mother, John, and his family.
Mr. JENNER. Where did you stay?
Mr. OSWALD. At mother's apartment, with Lee, in the Bronx some place--I
do not recall the address.
Mr. JENNER. What, if anything, did you learn at that time regarding
Lee's attendance or nonattendance in school?
Mr. OSWALD. Nothing on that, sir. This was in the summer time. Lee, of
course, was home and not supposed to be in school. And I do not think
anything was brought up that I recall about whether or not Lee had been
attending school regularly or not.
Mr. McKENZIE. Can we go off the record?
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. DULLES. Back on the record.
Mr. JENNER. Referring to the 10-day leave in New York City, did you
spend time with your brother Lee?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Your mother was working during that period of time, was she
not?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. In spending time with him, did you take him around, or
accompany him, visiting various places in New York City?
Mr. OSWALD. He took me around, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Did you have occasion during that period to take any
photographs, snapshots, of Lee?
Mr. OSWALD. I certainly can identify the one appearing in Life--yes,
sir; I did.
Mr. JENNER. Just hold your answers right in this area exactly to my
questions.
Mr. OSWALD. I'm sorry.
Mr. JENNER. Were these taken with your camera, or was it a camera that
your mother or brother owned or had?
Mr. OSWALD. This was my camera.
Mr. DULLES. What do these questions refer to? Do they refer to the
pictures in Life?
Mr. JENNER. Well, I really did not want to refer to that at the moment.
Do you remember any of the places at which you took snapshots of Lee
during this 10-day leave?
Mr. OSWALD. The Bronx Zoo I believe was about the only time I can
recall taking any pictures of him.
Mr. JENNER. I am at liberty to advise you, Mr. Oswald, that when your
mother testified before the Commission she did produce a number of
photographs, snapshots, and otherwise, among which was a snapshot of
your brother, Lee, taken at the New York Zoo--that she testified was
taken at the New York Zoo.
Is that the incident in which you took the photograph of your brother
Lee, as far as you know?
Mr. OSWALD. You say the New York Zoo, sir. As far as I know there is
just one zoo up there referred to as the Bronx Zoo. I do recall, and I
still have the picture that I took of Lee at the Bronx Zoo. I certainly
feel that perhaps either I sent copies of it to mother, or to Lee after
I had the film developed.
Mr. JENNER. Mr. Chairman, may I go off the record a moment?
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. DULLES. Back on the record.
Mr. JENNER. For the purpose of the record, I have before me the
February 21, 1964, issue of Life magazine, on pp. 68-A, 68-B, and 70 of
which there appear a number of photographs. I think it would be well
if we gave this spread page an exhibit number. And since it really
consists of two separate pages--the next exhibit numbers are what?
Mr. LIEBELER. 281 and 282.
Mr. JENNER. We will mark 68-B as 281 and page 69 as 282.
(The material referred to was marked Commission Exhibits Nos. 281 and
282, respectively, for identification.)
Mr. McKENZIE. Mr. Jenner--the only thing you are offering to the
Commission at this time as I understand it are the pictures that appear
on those two pages and not the text.
Mr. JENNER. That's correct, sir.
Directing your attention to page 69, identified as Commission Exhibit
282, there is a picture of a young boy and the background looks like it
might be taken in a zoo. You mentioned that you had taken a snapshot of
your brother on this 10-day leave.
Could you examine that and see if you can identify that as being the
snapshot you took?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir, I do so identify that picture. That was taken at
the Bronx Zoo--a picture of Lee Harvey Oswald, taken during my 10-day
leave in New York City in 1953, approximately July or August of 1953.
Mr. JENNER. Was school in session at that time?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir, school was not in session at that time. This was
during the summer months.
Mr. JENNER. So there was no obligation on the part of your brother to
have been in school at this particular time?
Mr. OSWALD. That's correct, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Now, appearing immediately above that snapshot is a
snapshot or a photograph, a picture of two boys. Do you recognize
either or both of those children?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I do. I recognize the young boy standing, and I
recognize him to be Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. JENNER. And who is the boy appearing lower in that photograph?
Mr. OSWALD. I do not recognize him, sir.
Mr. JENNER. This is in the upper right hand corner of Commission
Exhibit 282. Appearing immediately to the left--but before I proceed to
that, are you able to identify that sufficiently to indicate to us the
age of your brother at the time that picture was taken?
Mr. OSWALD. I would say he was approximately 11 or 12 years old at that
time.
Mr. JENNER. And at this time he was residing where?
Mr. OSWALD. If he was 11 years old at the time the photograph was
taken, he was residing in Fort Worth, Tex. If he was 12 years old, he
would be residing in New York City.
Mr. JENNER. To the left appears another photograph of a young man in a
striped shirt, a striped T-shirt. Do you observe that?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I do.
Mr. JENNER. It is apparently a blowup from a group picture. Who is that?
Mr. OSWALD. I recognize him to be my brother, Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. JENNER. And do you recognize the clothing, have you seen him in
that clothing before?
Mr. OSWALD. Not that I recall. The tennis shoes look familiar.
Mr. JENNER. And are you able to make out the age of your brother at the
time this picture was taken?
Mr. OSWALD. I would say approximately 10 or 11 years old.
Mr. JENNER. So if it were at age 10, he would have been residing where?
Mr. OSWALD. In Fort Worth, Tex.
Mr. JENNER. And you have already given the age.
To the left of that picture is another photograph or apparently a
snapshot. I notice that there are part of some persons behind the
central figure. Do you recognize the figure in that photograph?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes; I do.
Mr. JENNER. Who is it?
Mr. OSWALD. I recognize it to be Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. JENNER. At what age?
Mr. OSWALD. Seven or eight years old.
Mr. JENNER. And assuming age 7, where was he residing at that time?
Mr. OSWALD. This would be--the year when he was 7 would be 1946 or
1947. He would be residing in Fort Worth, Tex.
Mr. JENNER. And if he were 8, he still would be residing in Fort Worth,
Tex.
Mr. OSWALD. That's correct, sir.
Mr. JENNER. To the left of that picture is a picture of--I don't know
whether that is one snapshot or two.
Mr. OSWALD. It is one, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Showing three persons, three children. Are you able to
identify all three?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I am.
Mr. JENNER. Would you please identify and give the ages?
Mr. OSWALD. Left to right, I identify myself at the age of 10.
Mr. JENNER. With the sailor hat on?
Mr. OSWALD. With the sailor hat on, right. In the center I identify it
to be Lee Harvey Oswald at the age of 5. On the far right I identify
John Edward Pic at the age of 12.
Mr. JENNER. And you boys were residing where at that time?
Mr. OSWALD. At Dallas, Tex., on Victor Street. That was taken right
outside, at the side of the house.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall the circumstances under which the picture was
taken?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; other than we wanted to take some pictures.
Mr. JENNER. Your present recollection is who took the picture?
Mr. OSWALD. My mother.
Mr. JENNER. In the background is what?
Mr. OSWALD. The house that we lived in on Victor Street.
Mr. JENNER. There is a spread picture at the bottom of the double page.
Are you familiar with the area which is shown in that picture?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I am.
Mr. JENNER. What is that area?
Mr. OSWALD. That is on the playground of Ridglea West Elementary School.
Mr. JENNER. And do you recognize any of the persons shown in that
reproduction?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I do.
Mr. JENNER. Would you identify those, if any, you so recognize?
Mr. OSWALD. The only person I recognize in this photograph is this
young man right here--I do not recall his name--I believe his name was
Donald. He lived right around the corner from us.
Mr. JENNER. Mr. Oswald, I hand you a brush pen. Would you indicate by
an arrow the person to whom you made reference? Thank you.
Would you do the same on the picture identified in the extreme upper
right hand corner on Exhibit 282.
Now, I notice on the spread picture at the bottom of the page, which
was identified as a schoolmate, that there is to the left of that
picture a picture with an imprinted arrow. Do you recognize the person
to whom the arrow is pointing?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I do not.
Mr. JENNER. Are you able to say whether that is or is not your brother
Lee?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; from this picture, I cannot determine if it is Lee
or not.
Mr. JENNER. Are you able to see it clearly enough to say that it is not?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I am not able to see it clearly enough to make
a positive statement one way or the other. It appears to be a little
fuzzy.
Mr. JENNER. Do you have an opinion as to whether it is or not?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I do not.
Mr. JENNER. You just do not recognize it?
Mr. OSWALD. I just do not recognize it.
Mr. JENNER. All right.
Now on page 68-A, which we will mark as Commission Exhibit No. 283--do
you recognize that photograph depicted on that page?
(The material referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 283 for
identification.)
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I do.
Mr. JENNER. Who is it?
Mr. OSWALD. I recognize Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. JENNER. Have you seen the original of that reproduction?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I most certainly have. I might add that I wore
that same baby suit.
Mr. JENNER. That is shown in that picture?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir. And John Edward did, too.
Mr. JENNER. Now, turning to pages 70 and 71, which we will have marked
as Commission Exhibit 284, so far as page 70 is concerned, and page 71
marked as 285.
(The material referred to was marked respectively Commission Exhibits
Nos. 284 and 285 for identification.)
Mr. JENNER. Spread across page 70 and partially on page 71 is a
photograph, or a reproduction of a photograph.
Do you recognize any of the persons depicted on that spread page?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. And do you recognize more than one person?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I do not.
Mr. JENNER. And which one do you recognize?
Mr. OSWALD. In the foreground on the left-hand side, on page 70, I
recognize that to be Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. JENNER. Is that the boy with the V-shaped design on his sweater or
T-shirt, with his hand on his chest?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes sir; that is correct.
Mr. JENNER. Would you identify that by an arrow.
Are you able to, in looking at that--to tell at what age that was
taken, and where?
Mr. OSWALD. I would say approximately 14 years old. I cannot recognize
the classroom there. At 14 Lee would have been----
Mr. JENNER. He was in New York City, was he not?
Mr. OSWALD. 1953, yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. On page 72, which we will mark as Commission Exhibit 286,
there is a photograph or reproduction of a photograph in the lower
right-hand corner.
(The material referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 286 for
identification.)
Mr. JENNER. Do you recognize anyone in that reproduction?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; I do.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recognize both people?
Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I do not.
Mr. JENNER. Would you indicate the person you recognize?
Mr. OSWALD. I recognize the person on the left-hand side of this
photograph.
Mr. JENNER. That is the man?
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir. I recognize him to be Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. JENNER. At about what age?
Mr. OSWALD. Since I am aware of where this picture was taken, at the
age of 17.