I didn't see Mr. Ekdahl for some time and----

The CHAIRMAN. Ekdahl or Oswald.

Mrs. OSWALD. Mr. Oswald, sir, I am sorry.

John Edward and I were coming from the park one day, and Mr. Ekdahl

picked--Mr. Oswald picked me up, and he was separated from his wife,

however, not divorced but had been separated for a number of years, and

I started dating Mr. Ekdahl and we decided to marry and he divorced his

wife.

Mr. RANKIN. You said Ekdahl again.

Mrs. OSWALD. Oswald, I am sorry, and then he got the divorce

proceeding. He was separated for a long time but never had been

divorced from his wife but when we knew he was going to marry, and I

also then got the divorce from Mr. Pic. I was not divorced there from

Mr. Pic, either. We were legally separated but I was not divorced from

him.

So, Mr. Oswald and I married and of that marriage Robert was born 9

months later, and as you know consequently Lee, 2 months after his

father had died.

Now, Mr. Oswald was a very good man. There was the only happy part of

my life. When he died hardly anybody knew that John Edward Pic was not

his son. He wanted to adopt John Edward, but because his father was

supporting him which I think was only $18 a month, I explained to Lee

that I thought we should save this money for the boys' education and

let his own father support him and naturally we would educate and do

all we could do but that was no more than right. So that is why he did

not adopt John Edward.

Now, that is the story of my three marriages. I have been married

approximately 9 years in the three times that I have been married,

sir, and I would say, I am probably guilty of a lot of things but the

initial guilt has never been mine in any of these marriages, the first

marriage I had explained, the second marriage was death, and the third

marriage was Mr. Ekdahl.

I think then you know the rest of the story, how I lived with my

children and tried to support my children.

I have often held two jobs trying to support my children. I have a

whole file that the Commission has copies of jobs that I have worked,

and I have also worked for these places twice, and have gone back. I

have wonderful recommendations. I think I have been fired about five

times in my life, and I have had much, much employment, and the reason

for that is finances, in other words, I have always had a very low

salary, and I am a very aggressive sales person, as these papers say,

and I always produce for my people and I was in demand actually.

They would come to me and offer me 20, 25 dollars more, believe me,

gentlemen. I would quit the job where I was and quit the new job

because 25 dollars paid my light and heat bill and gave my children

some clothes and that is mostly the reason for all of this employment,

and also I used to quit my job as much as possible in the summer time

when the children were little in order to be home with them.

Now, I skipped a part in the beginning about the children being placed

in the Lutheran Home. I am Lutheran and I was a church member, a church

worker, I should say. I helped, I sewed, natural gifted, I never did

take a lesson, I never did use a pattern, my sister can verify this.

I used to come home from the attorneys with material, cut out the

material, sew it, press it and go out on a date. I just had the knack

of doing things that way, sir, and she can verify this because my

niece, I taught her to sew and my sister said, "You are so slow, Aunt

Marguerite used to sew on the material and go out on a date," and my

niece would say, "Is it true, my mother said you would sew on material

and go out on a date," and I said, "I wish I had a nickel for every

time I did."

So those are gifted things I can't explain.

Lee had certain gifted ways about him also.

In the early part of my life that I had skipped when the war broke

out and my finances were gone, I talked with the church. It was on

Alva Street in New Orleans, not too far where my home was and they

investigated the money I had, and I had a little money left at this

time and they let me place the two older boys in the Lutheran Home

which is a home only for the Lutheran Church.

This is not an institution. They have their own private school on the

ground, and it is primarily based for children of one parent. However,

they do take orphans. It was really not designed to be an orphan

home. It was for children of one parent and you pay according to your

circumstances, and they investigated my salary and after I went to

work, I paid according to my circumstances for my two boys.

I took my two boys home with me every weekend, sir, and brought them

back in time for Sunday so they can go to church with the children in

the home. They got a wonderful education because the school on the

school grounds had very few children in them.

There would be maybe two or three children to a particular grade so

they had wonderful school. Lee was too young. They would not take Lee

into the home until he was 3 years old.

So, I have hired maids and I have quit many a job for this. You have a

background on my job, this accounts for it. Many a position and I have

always had title and no money, assistant manager or manager in charge

of a department, and I have had to quit that, because the maid wouldn't

show up, and you couldn't get a maid for love or money.

War had broken out and the Negroes in New Orleans were going into

factories and so on and so forth so there is many a job I had to leave

in order to stay home and mind Lee until I could get help.

Then my sister helped with Lee. There is one particular instance, I let

a couple have my home, plus $15 a month in order to care for Lee while

I worked, and this couple after about 2 month's time had neglected Lee

and so I had to put them out of the house and there again I had to quit

a job, and take care of Lee until I could make arrangements and my

sister could help me with it.

So when Lee was 3 years old I was having it very difficult with Lee,

because of the different people to take care of Lee, and the different

jobs that I had to give up.

However, I was never in want of work. It was during the war and I was

always able to get work, but I realized if I continued to quit jobs

because I couldn't hold the jobs that some day I wouldn't have enough

jobs in New Orleans for me to hold one.

So, then at age 3 Lee was placed in the home. I waited patiently for

age 3 because I wanted naturally for the brothers to be together. It

was hard on Lee also because Lee was at a different place and his

brothers were at a different place. So at age 3 I placed Lee in a

Lutheran home. Of course, you have to be under strict investigation

financially and otherwise to do this because this is a church

placement, sir.

Then, I became manager of Princess hosiery shop on Canal Street. I

opened that shop and I was left by myself and in 6 days' time I hired

four girls. There was the first shop this man has had. He now has, I

think, 54 stores and he always remembers me as on the road of starting

him to success, because this young man didn't have much money at the

time. And this is where I met Mr. Ekdahl and there is why I didn't want

to marry right away because the children were being taken care of and I

was manager of the hosiery shop.

So, now, I was sitting pretty in our American slang and I did not want

to marry. But he persisted. He decided he wanted to marry me and I

decided to marry him. I went to the Lutheran home and talked to the,

well, you don't call him a manager, the head of the home, and I was

going to marry Mr. Ekdahl, and I asked if I should have, if I could

have Lee, that I didn't want the children, John Edward, and Robert

to miss their schooling and I told them that I would wait until the

children got out of school to marry Mr. Ekdahl but Mr. Ekdahl traveled,

and, yet, he had a stroke and Mr. Ekdahl had offered, if I would come

to Dallas, he was being transferred to Dallas, that he would pay my

room, my living quarters and everything if I would cook and take care

of him and I told the home, the Lutheran home about this arrangement,

so there was nothing going to be immoral about it, sir, or I wouldn't

have explained to the Lutheran home and they let me have Lee under

those circumstances because they knew that I was a good woman and doing

the best I could.

So, I got Lee, and when we went to Dallas, I then realized I did not

want to marry Mr. Ekdahl, but I had already given up my position as

manager of the hosiery shop, and had taken Lee out of school so with

the money, I told you I had some money, and I had sold a piece of

property, I bought another piece of property for a very small down

payment on Victor Street in Dallas, Tex., and Mr. Ekdahl traveled.

Now, Mr. Ekdahl used to come on weekends and stay at my home. Of

course, in his bedroom with my children, just maybe not even every

weekend because he traveled, and then I decided I would marry Mr.

Ekdahl. I mean I decided not to, I mean, he was a persistent one.

Then I married Mr. Ekdahl and the home was sold and I traveled with Mr.

Ekdahl and the children were put into military school with the money I

sold the home with.

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