Mr. RANKIN. By holding it up, you mean----

Mrs. OSWALD.. Like this.

Mr. RANKIN. Crosswise, with both hands on the rifle?

Mrs. OSWALD.. With both hands on the rifle.

Mr. RANKIN. Above his head?

Mrs. OSWALD. That is right.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you ever see these pictures, Exhibits 133 and 134?

Mrs. OSWALD. No, sir, I have never seen those pictures.

Mr. RANKIN. Now, you were going to tell us about some further

discussion of the picture you did see?

Mrs. OSWALD. Yes--all right.

Now, so the next morning the two representatives of the Life Magazine,

Mr. Allen Grant and Mr. Tommy Thompson come by at 9 o'clock with a

woman, Russian interpreter, a doctor somebody. I have not been able to

find this woman. I have called the universities, thinking that she was

a language teacher, and I--maybe you have her name. But she is very,

very important to our story.

And I do want to locate her, if possible.

During the night, I had decided I was going to take up their offer,

because I would be besieged by reporters and everything. So why not go

with the Life representatives, and let them pay my room and board and

my daughter-in-law's. They came by at 9 o'clock, without calling, with

this Russian interpreter. So Marina was getting dressed and getting the

children dressed. He was taking pictures all the time.

Mr. RANKIN. They came by where?

Mrs. OSWALD. Mrs. Paine's home. And there was no hurry, though,

to leave the home, because Mrs. Paine was most anxious for the

Life representatives to talk to her and get these pictures and

everything--whether Marina has any part in this I don't know, because

they spoke Russian, and she didn't tell me about it. But I know Mrs.

Paine did.

We left with the two Life representatives. They brought us to the Hotel

Adolphus in Dallas. I immediately upon entering the hotel picked up the

phone and called Captain Will Fritz, to see if Marina and I could see

Lee at the jailhouse.

Mr. RANKIN. Who is he?

Mrs. OSWALD. He is one of the big men in Dallas on this case.

Mr. RANKIN. The Chief of Detectives, or something like that?

Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. And I called him from the hotel, and the man that

answered the phone said he would relay my message to him, that I wanted

to see if Marina and I could see Lee. I waited on the phone. He came

back and said, "Yes, Mrs. Oswald, Captain Fritz said you may see Lee at

12 o'clock today."

We arrived at the Adolphus Hotel between 9:30 and 10:00.

Mr. RANKIN. This was what day?

Mrs. OSWALD. This was Saturday, November 23, the morning of Saturday,

November 23.

While we were there, an FBI agent, Mr. Hart Odum entered the room with

another agent, and wanted Marina to accompany him to be questioned.

Mr. RANKIN. Were these FBI agents?

Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, sir; Mr. Hart Odum is an FBI agent. And I said, "No,

we are going to see Lee." We were all eating breakfast when he came in.

I said, "No, we have been promised to see Lee. She is not going with

you."

So he said, "Well, will you tell Mrs. Oswald, please"--to the

interpreter, "I would like to question her and I would like her to come

with me to be questioned."

I said, "It is no good. You don't need to tell the interpreter that,

because my daughter-in-law is not going with you. We have been promised

to see Lee. And besides Marina has testified, made her statement at the

courthouse yesterday, and any further statements that Marina will make

will be through counsel."

Mr. Odum said to the interpreter, "Mrs. Oswald"--to the

interpreter--"will you tell Mrs. Oswald to decide what she would like

to do and not listen to her mother-in-law."

I said, "It is no good to tell my daughter-in-law, because my

daughter-in-law is not leaving here with you, Mr. Odum, without

counsel."

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