Interviewer's Comment

When Morgan said "there is my record", he showed me a pass for the year

1938-39 for himself and his wife between all stations on the Missouri

Pacific lines signed by L.W. Baldwin, Chief Executive Officer.

He is a good man even if he is not a Christian as to church membership.

Interviewer: Miss Irene Robertson

Person Interviewed: Olivia Morgan

Hazen, Ark.

Age: 62

"I am 62 years old. I was born in Lafayette County close to New

Lewisville. I heard mama say many a time she was named after her

state--North Carolina. Her name was Carolina Alexandria. They brought

her a slave girl to this new country. She and papa must of met up

toreckly after freedom. She had some children and I'm one of my papa's

oldest children.

"Papa come here long fore the war started. The old master in Atlanta,

Georgia--Abe Smith--give his son three boys and one girl. He emigrated

to Arkansas.

"Mama said her first husband and the young master went off and he never

come back as she knowed of. Young master played with mama's second girl

a whole heap. One day they was playing hiding round. Just as she come

running to the base from round the house, young master hit her on the

forehead with a rock. It killed her. Old master tried to school him but

he worried so they sent him off--thought it would do his health good to

travel. I don't think they ever come back.

"After freedom mama married and went over to papa's master's. Papa

stayed round there a long time. They got news some way they was to get

forty acres land and a mule to start out with but they said they never

got nothing.

"My papa said he knowed it to be a fact, the Ku Klux cut a colored

woman's breast off. I don't recollect why he said they got after her.

The Jayhawkers was bad too. They all went wild; some of em left men

hanging up in trees. They needed a good master to protect em worse after

the war than they needed em before. They said they had a Yankee

government then was reason of the Ku Klux. They run the Jayhawkers out

and made the Yankees go on home. Everybody had a hard time. Bread was

mighty scarce when I was a child. Times was hard. Men that had land had

to let it lay out. They had nothin' to feed the hands on, no money to

pay, no seed, no stock to work. The fences all went to rack and all the

houses nearly down. When I was a child they was havin' hard times.

"I'm a country woman. I farmed all my life. I been married two times; I

married Holmes, then Morgan. They dead. I washed, ironed, cooked, all at

Mr. Jim Buchannan's sawmill close to Lewisville two years and eight

months; then I went back to farmin' up at Pine Bluff. My oldest sister

washed and ironed for Mrs. Buchannan till she moved from the sawmill to

Texarkana. He lived right at the sawmill ground.

"My papa voted a Republican ticket. I don't vote. My husbands have voted

along. If the women would let the men have the business I think times

would be better. I don't believe in women voting. The men ought to make

the livings for the families, but the women doing too much. They

crowding the men out of work.

"Some folks is sorry in all colors. Seems like the young folks ain't got

no use for quiet country life. They buying too much. They say they have

to buy everything. I ain't had no depression yet. I been at work and we

had crop failures but I made it through. Some folks good and some ain't.

Times is bout to run away with some of the folks. They all say times is

better than they been since 1928. I hope times is on the mend."

Interviewer: Miss Irene Robertson

Person interviewed: Tom Morgan, Madison, Arkansas

Age: 71

"My mother was the mother of fourteen of us children. Their names was

Sarah and Richard Morgan.

"My great-grandfather b'long to Bill Woods. They had b'long to the

Morgans and when freedom come they changed their names back. Some of

them still owned by Morgans.

"Mother's owners was Auris and Lucella Harris. They had a boy named

Harley Harris and a girl. He had a small farm.

"Mother said her master wasn't bad, but my father said his owner was

tough on him--tough on all of them. They was all field hands. They had

to git up and be doing. He said they fed by torch morning and night and

rested in the heat of the day two or three hours. Feed the oxen and

mules. In them days stock and folks all et three times a day. I does

real well now to get two meals a day, sometimes but one. They done some

kind of work all the year 'round. He said they had tasks. They better

git the task done or they would get a beating.

"I haven't voted in so long a time. I voted Republican. I thought I did.

"I worked at the railroad till they put me off. They put me off on

disability. Trying to git my papers fixed up to work or get something

one. Back on the railroad job. I farmed when I was young."

El Dorado District

FOLKLORE SUBJECTS

Name of Interviewer: Pernella Anderson

Subject: Slavery Days--Cruel Master Murdered by Slaves

Story:--Information

This Information given by: Charity Morris

Place of Residence: Camden, Arkansas

Age: 90

[TR: Information moved from bottom of first page.]

Ah wuz born in Carolina uh slave an ah was de eldest daughtuh of

Christiana Webb whose owner wuz Master Louis Amos. Mah mammy had lots uv

chillun an she also mammied de white chillun, whut wuz lef' mammyless.

When ah wuz very small dey rented me out tuh some very po' white fokes.

Dey wuzn use tuh slaves so mah marster made him promise [HW: not] tuh

beat me or knock me bout. Dey promise dey wouldn. Dey cahried me home an

ah clare dey wuz so mean tuh me till ah run off an tried tuh fin' de way

back tuh mah marster. Night caught me in de woods. Ah sho' wuz skeered.

Ah wuz skeered uv bears an panthers so ah crawled up in a ole bandoned

crib an crouched down gainst de loft. Ah went off tuh sleep but wuz woke

by somethin scratchin on de wall below. Ah stayed close as ah could tuh

de wall an 'gin er prayin. Dat things scratched all night an ah prayed

all night. De nex' mawnin dese white fokes sent word tuh Marster dat ah

had lef' so Marster foun' me an took me home and let me stay dar too. Ah

didn' work in de fiel' ah worked in de house. We lived in uh log cabin.

Evah Sunda mawnin Marster Louis would have all us slaves tuh de house

while he would sing an pray an read de Bible tuh us all.

De people dat owned de plantation near us had lots of slaves. Dey owned

lots uv mah kin fokes. Dey marster would beat dem at night when dey come

fum de fiel' an lock em up. He'd whoop um an sen' um tuh de fiel'. Dey

couldn' visit no slaves an no slaves was 'lowed tuh visit em. So mah

cousin Sallie watched him hide de key so she moved dem a li'l further

back so dat he had tuh lean ovah tuh reach dem. Dat mawnin soon when he

come tuh let em out she cracked him in de haid wid de poker an made

little Joe help put his haid in de fiuh place. Dat day in de fiel'

Little Joe made er song; "If yo don' bleave Aunt Sallie kilt Marse Jim

de blood is on huh under dress". He jes hollered hit. "Aunt Sallie kilt

Marse Jim." Dey zamined Aunt Sallie's under dress so dey put huh in jail

till de baby come den dey tried huh an sentenced huh tuh be hung an she

wuz.

Our Marster use tuh tell us if we left de house de patarollers would

catch us. One night de patarollers run mah two brothers home, Joe an

Henry.

When de ole haid died out dey chillun got de property. Yo see we slaves

wuz de property. Den we got separated. Some sent one way an some nother.

Hit jes happent dat Marse Jim drawed me.

When de Wah broke out we could heah li'l things bein said. We couldn'

make out. So we begin tuh move erbout. Later we learnt we wuz runnin fum

de wah. In runnin we run intuh a bunch uv soldiers dat had got kilt. Oh

dat wuz terrible. Aftuh mah brudders foun out dat dey wuz fightin tuh

free us dey stole hosses an run erway tuh keep fum bein set free. Aftuh

we got tuh Morris Creek hit wuz bloody an dar wuz one uv de hosses

turnin roun an roun in de watuh wid his eyes shot out. We nevah saw

nuthin else uv Joe nor Henry nor de othuh horse from dat day tuh dis

one. But we went on an on till we come tuh a red house and dat red house

represented free. De white fokes wouldn go dat way cause dey hated tuh

give us up. Dey turnt an went de othuh way but hit wuz too late. De news

come dat Mr. Lincoln had signed de papuhs dat made us all free an dere

wuz some 'joicing ah tells yo. Ah wuz a grown woman at dat time. Ole

Moster Amos brought us on as fur as Fo'dyce an turnt us a loose. Dat's

wha' dey settled. Some uv de slaves stayed wid em an some went tuh othuh

places. Me an mah sistuh come tuh Camden an settled. Ah mahried George

Morris. We havn' seen our pa an ma since we wuz 'vided and since we wuz

chillun. When we got tuh Camden and settled down we went tuh work an

sont back tuh de ole country aftuh ma an pa. Enroute tuh dis country we

come through Tennessee an ah membuh comin through Memphis an Pine Bluff

to Fordyce.

As we wuz comin we stopped at de Mississippi Rivuh. Ah wuz standin on de

bank lookin at de great roll uv watuh high in de air. Somebody snatched

me back and de watuh took in de bank wha ah wuz standin. Yo cound'n

stand too close tuh de rivuh 'count uv de waves.

Der wuz a col' wintuh and at night we would gather roun a large camp

fire an play sich games as "Jack-in-de-bush cut him down" an "Ole gray

mule-out ride him." Yaul know dem games ah know. An in de summer times

at night we played _Julands_. On our way tuh Arkansas we drove ox-teams,

jinnie teams, donkey teams, mule teams an horse teams. We sho had a good

time.

Interviewer: Miss Irene Robertson

Person interviewed: Emma Morris, Forrest City, Arkansas

Age: 71

"My parents was Jane and Sam McCaslin. They come from close to Atlanta,

Georgia to Hernando, Mississippi after slavery. Ma was heired and they

bought pa before they left North Carolina. They bought pa out of a

nigger drove after he was grown. He raised tobacco and corn. Pa helped

farm and they raised hogs. He drove hogs to sell. He didn't say where

they took the hogs, only they would have to stay up all night driving

the hogs, and they rode horses and walked too and had shepherd dogs to

keep them in a drove.

"Pa was a Böwick (B(our)ick) but I never heard him say nothing bout

Master Bowick, so I don't know his other name. He said they got in a

tight [TR: missing word?] and had to sell some of the slaves and he

being young would bring more than one of the older men. He was real

black. Ma was lighter but not very light.

"McCaslin was a low heavy set man and he rented out hacks and horses in

Atlanta and pa drove, greased the harness and curried and sheared the

horses. Master McCaslin brought them in town and rented them out. He

didn't have a livery stable. He just furnished conveyances. I heard him

tell about a good hitching post where he could more than apt rent out

his rig and how he always stopped and fed the horses when eating time

come. He took a feed box all the time. Master McCaslin would tell him to

not drive too hard when he had to make long drives. He never would let

him take a whoop.

"He had some girls I heard him say. May and Alice was their names. He

didn't say much about the family. He took a basket of provision with him

to eat Miss May and Miss Alice fixed up. The basket was close wove and

had a lid. The old man farmed. He drove too. He drove a hack. Ma worked

in the field. I heard her tell about the cockleburs. Well, she said they

would stick on your dress and stick your legs and you would have to pick

them off and sometimes the beggar's-lice would be thick on their clothes

and they would pick them off.

"When they would clean out the fence corners (rail fence) they would

leave every little wild plum tree and leave a whole lot of briers so

they would have wild plums and berries. They raised cotton. Sometime

during the War old Master McCaslin took all his slaves and stock way

back in the bottoms. The cane was big as ma's wrist she said. They put

up some cabins to live in and shelter the stock. Pa said some of em went

in the army. He didn't want to go. They worked a corn crop over in

there.

"They left soon as they was freed. I don't know how they found it out.

They walked to way over in Alabama and pa made terms with a man, to come

to Mississippi. Then they come in a wagon and walked too. She had three

little children. I was [HW: born] close to Montgomery, Alabama in

September but I don't know how long it was after the War. I was the

first girl. There was two more boys and three more girls after me. Ma

had children born in three states.

"Ma died with the typhoid fever. Then two sisters and a brother died. Pa

had it all summer and he got well. Miss (Mrs.) Betty Chamlin took us

children to a house and fed us away from ma and the sick girls and boy.

We was on her place. She had two families then. We got water from a

spring. It was a pretty spring under a big hill. We would wade where the

spring run off. She moved us out of that house.

"Miss Betty was a widow. She had several boys. They worked in the field

all the time. We stayed till the boys left and she sold her place. She

went back to her folks. I never did see her no more. We scattered out.

Pa lived about wid us till he died. I got three girls living. I got five

children dead. I got one girl out here from town and one girl at

Meridian and my oldest girl in Memphis. I takes it time around wid em.

"I seen the Ku Klux but they never bothered us. I seen them in Alabama,

I recken it was. I was so small I jes' do remember seeing them. I was

the onliest child born in Alabama. Pa made one crop. I don't know how

they got along the rest of the time there. We started share cropping in

Mississippi. Pa was always a good hand with stock. If they got sick they

sent for him to tell them what to do. He never owned no land, no home

neither.

"I farmed all my life. I used to make a little money along during the

year washing and ironing. I don't get no help. I live with the girls. My

girl in Memphis sends me a little change to buy my snuff and little

things I have to have. She cooks for a lawyer now. She did take care of

an lady. She died since I been here and she moved. I rather work in the

field than do what she done when that old lady lived. She was like a

baby to tend to. She had to stay in that house all the time.

"The young folks don't learn manners now like they used to. Times is

better than I ever seen em. Poor folks have a hard time any time. Some

folks got a lot and some ain't got nothing everywhere."

Interviewer: Samuel S. Taylor

Person interviewed: Claiborne Moss

1812 Marshall Street, Little Rock, Arkansas

Age: 81

"I was born in Washington County, Georgia, on Archie Duggins'

plantation, fifteen miles from Sandersville, the county-seat, June 18,

1857.

"My mother's name was Ellen Moss. She was born in Georgia too, in

Hancock County, near Sparta, the county-seat. My father was Fluellen

Moss. He, too, was born in Hancock County. Bill Moss was his owner.

Jesse Battle was my mother's owner before she married. My mother and

father had ten children, none of them living now but me, so far as I

know. I was the fifth in line. There were four older than I. The oldest

was ten years older than I.

"Bill Moss' and Jesse Battle's plantations ware not far apart. I never

heard my father say how he first met my mother. I was only eight years

old when he died. They were all right there in the same neighborhood,

and they would go visiting. Battle and Moss and Evans all had

plantations in the same neighborhood and they would go from one place to

the other.

"When Bill Moss went to Texas, he gave my mother and father to Mrs.

Beck. Mrs. Beck was Battle's daughter and Mrs. Beck bought my father

from Moss and that kept them together. He was that good. Moss sold out

and went to Texas and all his slaves went walking while he went on the

train. He had about a hundred of them. When he got there, he couldn't

hear from them. He didn't know where they was--they was walking and he

had got on the train--so he killed hisself. When they got there, just

walking along, they found him dead.

"Moss' nephew, Whaley, got two parts of all he had. Another fellow--I

can't call his name--got one part. His sister, they sent her back

five--three of my uncles and two of my aunties.

"Where I was raised, Duggins wasn't a mean man. His slaves didn't get

out to work till after sunup. His brother, who lived three miles out

from us, made his folks get up before sunup. But Duggins didn't do that.

He seemed to think something of his folks. Every Saturday, he'd give

lard, flour, hog meat, syrup. That was all he had to give. That was

extra. War was going on and he couldn't get nothing else. On Wednesday

night he'd give it to them again. Of course, they would get corn-meal

and other things from the kitchen. They didn't eat in the kitchen or any

place together. Everybody got what there was on the place and cooked it

in his cabin.

"Before I was born, Beck sold my mother and father to Duggins. I don't

know why he sold them. They had an auction block in the town, but out in

the country they didn't have no block. If I had seen a nigger and wanted

to buy him, I would just go up to the owner and do business with him.

That was the way it was with Beck and Duggins. Selling my mother and

father was just a private transaction between them.

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