FOOTNOTES:

[1] Units of Hot Springs National Park.

[2] Spot without soil or vegetation--broken talus rock.

[3] Home clean, well painted and cared for, two story, large lot. Rental

cottage, good condition, negro neighborhood.

[4] Bank owned and operated for and by negroes--affiliated with

headquarters of large national negro lodge.

[5] No public schools in Hot Springs until the late 70s.

[6] The Adeline Blakely of another Arkansas interview with slaves.

Interviewer: Miss Irene Robertson

Person interviewed: Jake Goodridge

Clarendon, Arkansas

Age: 97? 87 is about correct

Born August 4, 1857

"I was born close to Jackson, Tennessee in Madison County. My master was

Hatford Weathers. His wife's name was Susan Weathers. They had a big

family--John, Lidy, Mattie, Polly, Betty, and Jimmy, that I recollect

and there might er been some more.

"My parents' names was Narcissus and Jacob Goodridge. I had one brother

that was a Yankee soldier, and five sisters. One sister did live in

Texas. They all dead fur as I know. We got scattered. Some of us got

inherited fore freedom. Jake Goodridge took me along when he went to the

army to wait on him. Right there it was me an' my brother fightin' agin

one 'nother.

"When we come to St. Charles we come to Memphis on freight boxes--no

tops--flat cars like. There a heap more soldiers was waiting. We got on

a boat--a great big boat. There was one regiment--Indiana Cavalry, one

Kansas, one Missouri, one Illinois. All on deck was the horses. There

was 1,200 men in a regiment and four regiments, 4,800 horses and four

cannons. There was not settin' down room on the boat. They captured my

master and sent him to prison. First they put him in a callaboose and

then they sent him on to prison and they took me to help them. They made

a waitin' boy of me. I didn't lack none of 'em. They cussed all the

time. I heard they paroled my master long time after the war.

"They would shoot a cannon, had a sponge on a long rod. They wipe it out

and put in another big ball, get way back and pull a rope. The cannon

fire agin. Course I was scared. I was scared to death bout two years,

that 'bout how long I was in the war. I was twelve or fourteen years

old. I recollect it as well as if it was yesterday. They never had a

battle at St. Charles while I was there. They loaded up the boat and

took us to Little Rock. They mustered out there. The Yankee soldiers

give out news of freedom. They was shouting 'round. I jes' stood around

to see whut they goiner do next. Didn't nobody give me nuthin'. I didn't

know what to do. Everything going. Tents all gone, no place to go stay

and nothin' to eat. That was the big freedom to us colored folks. That

the way white folks fightin' do the colored folks. I got hungry and

naked and cold many a time. I had a good master and I thought he always

treated me heap better than that. I wanted to go back but I had no way.

I made it down to St. Charles in 'bout a year after the surrender. I

started farmin'. I been farmin' ever since. In Little Rock I found a job

in a tin pin alley, pickin' up balls. The man paid me $12 a month, next

to starvation. I think his name was Warren Rogers.

"I went to Indian Bay 'bout 1868 and farmed for Mr. Hathway, then Mr.

Duncan. Then I come up to Clarendon and been here ever since.

"One time I owned 40 acres at Holly Grove, sold it, spent the money.

"I too old, I don't fool wid no votin'. I never did take a big stock in

sich foolishness.

"I live wid my daughter and white folks. The Welfare give me $8 a month.

We got a garden. No cow. No hog. No chickens.

"The present conditions seem pretty bad. Some do work and some don't

work. Nobody savin' that I sees. Takes it all to live on. I haben't give

the present generation a thought."

Interviewer: Miss Irene Robertson

Person interviewed: John Goodson (Goodrum)

Des Arc, Arkansas

Age: Born in 1865

"My master was Bill Goodrum. I was born at Des Arc out in the country

close by here. My mother was a house woman and my father was overseer. I

was so little I don't remember the war. I do remember Doc Rayburn. I

seed him and remember him all right. He was a bushwacker and a Ku Klux

they said. I don't remember the Ku Klux. Never seed them.

"I heard my parents say they expected the government to divide up the

land and give them a start--a home and some land. They got just turned

out like you turn a hog out the pen and say go on I'm through wid you.

"I heard them set till midnight talking 'bout whut all took place during

the Civil War. The country was wild and it was a long ways between the

houses. There wasn't many colored folks in this country till closin' of

the war. They started bringing 'em here. Men whut needed help on the

farms.

"All my life I been cooking. I cooked at hotels and on boats. I cooked

some in restaurants. They say it was the heat caused me to go blind. I

cooked up till 1927. The last folks I cooked for was on a boat for

Heckles and Wade Sales up at Augusta, Arkansas. I done carpentry work

some when I was off of a cooking job. I never liked farmin' much. I have

done a little of that along between times too. My main job is cooking.

"I voted along when I could see. I ain't voted lately. I sho lacks this

President.

"I had a house and lot--this one, but I couldn't pay taxes. We still

living in it. We got a garden. No hog, no cow. We made our home when I

cooked and my wife washed and ironed.

"I think this new generation of colored folks is awful. They can get

work if they would do it. Times is gettin' worse. They work some if the

price suit 'em, if it don't, they steal. They spend 'bout all they make

for shows, whiskey and I don't know whut all.

"The Social Welfare gives me $8 a month. My wife does all the washing

and ironin' she can get. We are doing very well.

"I don't understand much 'bout votin' and picking out canidates. It

don't hurt if the women want to vote.

"Only songs I ever heard was corn songs. I don't remember none. They

make 'em up out in the fields. Some folks good at making up songs. One I

used to hear a whole heap was 'It goiner be a hot time in the old time

tonite.' Another one 'If you liker me liker I liker you. We both liker

the same.' I don't remember no more them songs. I used to hear 'em a

whole lots. Yes out in the fields."

EDITOR'S NOTE: Pages 58 to 62 have been withdrawn after numbering.

Interviewer: Thomas Elmore Lucy

Person interviewed: George Govan

Russellville, Arkansas

Age: 52

"George Govan is my name, and I was born in Conway County somewheres in

December 1886--I guess it was about de seventeenth of December. We lived

there till 1911, when I come to Pope County. Both my parents was slaves

on de plantation of a Mr. Govan near Charleston, South Carolina. Dat's

where we got our name. Folks come to Arkansas after dey was freed. No

sir, I ain't edicated--never had de chance. Parents been dead a good

many years.

"Yas suh, my folks used to talk a heap and tell me lots of tales of

slavery days, and how de patrollers used to whip em when dey wanted to

go some place and didn't have de demit to go. Yas suh, dey had to have a

demit to go any place outside work hours. Dey whipped my mother and

father both sometimes, and dey sure was afraid of dem patrollers. Used

to say, 'If you don't watch out de patrollers'll git you.' Dey'd catch

de slaves and tie em up to a tree or a pos' and whip em wid buggy whips

and rawhides.

"Some of de slaves was promised land and other things when dey was

freed, and some wasn't promised nothin'. Some got land and a span of

mules, and some didn't get nothin'. No suh, my daddy didn't farm none at

first after he was freed because he didn't have no money to buy land,

but he done odd jobs here and there till he come to Arkansas seven or

eight years after the War.

"Yes, I owns my own home; been livin' in it for ten years, since I've

been workin' as janitor at dis Central Presbyterian Church. I belongs to

de Missionary Baptis' Church, but my parents were both Methodists.

"Sure did have lots of good songs in de old days, like 'Old Ship of

Zion' and 'On Jordan's Stormy Banks.' Used to have one that begins

'Those that 'fuse to sing never knew my God.' It was a purty piece; and

then there was another one about a 'Rough, rocky road.'

"De young people today has much better opportunities than when I was a

child, and much better than dey had in slavery days, because dar ain't

no patrollers to whip em. Most of em dese days has purty good behavior,

and I think dey're better than in de old days.

"I has always voted regularly since I come of age--votes de Republican

ticket. Can't read but a little, but I never had any trouble about

votin'."

NOTE: George Govan is an intelligent Negro, fairly neat in his dress,

very tall and erect in stature. Brogue quite noticeable, and occasional

idioms that make his interview interesting and personal.

#712

Interviewer: Mrs. Bernice Bowden

Person interviewed: Julia Grace

819 N. Spruce Street, Pine Bluff, Arkansas

Age: 75

"I was seventy-four this last past fourth of July. I was born in Texas.

My mother was sent to Texas to keep from bein' freed.

"Ad March and Spruce McCrary is the onliest white folks I remember bein'

with. I don't know whether they was our owners or not.

"My father was sent to North Carolina and I never did see him no more.

"After freedom they brought us back here from Texas and we worked on the

McCrary plantation.

"In slavery days mama said she and my father stayed in the woods most of

the time. That's when they was whippin' 'em.

"My mother come from Richmond, Virginia. Petersburg was her town. She

belonged to the Wellses over there.

"After her master got his leg broke, the rest was so mean to her she run

off a couple times, so they sold her. Put her up on the tradin'

block--like goin' to make a speech. Stripped 'em naked. The man bid 'em

off like you'd bid off oxen.

"Mama told me her missis, after her husband died, got so mean to her she

run off till her old missis sold her. They weighed 'em and stripped 'em

naked to see if they was anything wrong with 'em and how they was built

and then bid 'em off.

"Mama said she never would a been in Arkansas if they hadn't been so

mean to her. They were too compulsive on 'em--you know, hard

taskmasters.

"After freedom Ad March went back to North Carolina and Spruce McCrary

come here to Pine Bluff.

"Fust time I moved here in town was in 1888. I stayed ten months, then I

went back to the country. I aimed to go to Fort Smith but I got to

talkin' with my playmates and I didn't have too much money, and I stayed

till I didn't have enough money left to keep me till I could get a job.

So I stayed here and worked for Mrs. Freemayer till I got so I couldn't

work. She's the one got me on this relief.

"I went to school one session in 1886. Sam Caeser, he was a well-known

teacher. He got killed here in Pine Bluff.

"I can't sweep and I can't iron. I got a misery in my back. I washes my

clothes and spreads 'em out till they dry. Then I puts 'em on and

switches into church and ever'body thinks they has been ironed.

"They ain't but one sign I believes in and that's peckerwoods. Just as

sure as he pecks three times, somebody goin' to move or somebody goin'

to die. Just as sure as you live somebody goin' out.

"One time one of my grandchildren and a friend of mine was walkin'

through the woods and we missed the main road we aimed to ketch, and we

got into a den of wild hogs. I said, 'Lord, make 'em stand still till we

get out of here.' One of 'em was that tall and big long ears hung down

over his eyes. That was the male, you know. I reckon they couldn't see

us and we walked as easy as we could and we got away and struck the main

road. I reckon if they could a seen us we would a been 'tacked but we

got away. I had heard how they made people take to trees, and I was

scared.

"Have you ever seen a three-legged cow? Well, I have. I looked at her

good. She was grown and had a calf."

--- 11 1938

Interviewer: Samuel S. Taylor

Person interviewed: Charles Graham

616 W. 27th Street, North Little Rock, Arkansas

Age: 79

[HW: [Freed in '63]]

"I was born September 27, 1859, Clarksville, Tennessee. I don't remember

the county. There are several Clarksvilles throughout the South. But

Clarksville, Tennessee is the first and the oldest.

"I got a chance to see troops after the Civil War was over. The soldiers

were playing, boxing, and the like. Then I remember hearing the cannons

roar--long toms they used to call 'em. My uncle said, 'That is General

Grant opening fire on the Rebels.'

"The first clear thing I remember was when everybody was rejoicing

because they were free. The soldiers were playing and boxing and

chucking watermelons at one another. They had great long guns called

muskets. I heard 'em say that Abraham Lincoln had turned 'em loose.

Where I was at, they turned 'em loose in '63. Lincoln was assassinated

in '65. I heard that the morning after it was done. We was turned loose

long before then.

"I was too young to pay much attention, but they were cutting up and

clapping their hands and carrying on something terrible, and shouting,

'Free, free, old Abraham done turned us loose.'

"I was here in them days! Heard those long toms roar! General Grant

shelling the Rebels!"

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