That this comparison is not always favourable to some exalted

reputations of the present hour is indeed sufficiently notorious to all

who have the pleasure of Mr. Villiers's acquaintance; and nowhere is his

mastery of the art of conversation more conspicuous than in his knack of

implying dislike and insinuating contempt without crude abuse or noisy

denunciation. He has a delicate sense of fun, a keen eye for

incongruities and absurdities, and that genuine cynicism which springs,

not from the poor desire to be thought worldly-wise, but from a lifelong

acquaintance with the foibles of political men. To these gifts must be

added a voice which age has not robbed of its sympathetic qualities, a

style of diction and a habit of pronunciation which belong to the

eighteenth century, and that formal yet facile courtesy which no one

less than eighty years old seems capable of even imitating.

I have instanced Mr. Villiers as an eminent talker. I now turn to an

eminent man who talks--Mr. Gladstone.[17] An absurd story has long been

current among credulous people with rampant prejudices that Mr.

Gladstone was habitually uncivil to the Queen. Now, it happens that Mr.

Gladstone is the most courteous of mankind. His courtesy is one of his

most engaging gifts, and accounts in no small degree for his power of

attracting the regard of young men and undistinguished people generally.

To all such he is polite to the point of deference, yet never

condescending. His manners to all alike--young and old, rich and

poor--are the ceremonious manners of the old school, and his demeanour

towards ladies is a model of chivalrous propriety. It would therefore

have been to the last degree improbable that he should make a departure

from his usual habits in the case of a lady who was also his Sovereign.

And, as a matter of fact, the story is so ridiculously wide of the mark

that it deserves mention only because, in itself false, it is founded on

a truth. "I," said the Duke of Wellington on a memorable occasion, "have

no small talk, and Peel has no manners." Mr. Gladstone has manners but

no small talk. He is so consumed by zeal for great subjects that he

leaves out of account the possibility that they may not interest other

people. He pays to every one, and not least to ladies, the compliment of

assuming that they are on his own intellectual level, engrossed in the

subjects which engross him, and furnished with at least as much

information as will enable them to follow and to understand him. Hence

the genesis of that absurd story about his demeanour to the Queen.

"He speaks to Me as if I was a public meeting," is a complaint which is

said to have proceeded from illustrious lips. That most successful of

all courtiers, the astute Lord Beaconsfield, used to engage her Majesty

in conversation about water-colour drawing and the third-cousinships of

German princes. Mr. Gladstone harangues her about the polity of the

Hittites, or the harmony between the Athanasian Creed and

Homer. The Queen, perplexed and uncomfortable, tries to make a

digression--addresses a remark to a daughter or proffers biscuit to a

begging terrier. Mr. Gladstone restrains himself with an effort till the

Princess has answered or the dog has sat down, and then promptly

resumes: "I was about to say--" Meanwhile the flood has gathered force

by delay, and when it bursts forth again it carries all before it.

No image except that of a flood can convey the notion of Mr. Gladstone's

table-talk on a subject which interests him keenly--its rapidity, its

volume, its splash and dash, its frequent beauty, its striking effects,

the amount of varied matter which it brings with it, the hopelessness of

trying to withstand it, the unexpectedness of its onrush, the subdued

but fertilized condition of the subjected area over which it has passed.

The bare mention of a topic which interests Mr. Gladstone opens the

floodgates and submerges a province. But the torrent does not wait for

the invitation. If not invited it comes of its own accord; headlong,

overwhelming, sweeping all before it, and gathering fresh force from

every obstacle which it encounters on its course. Such is Mr.

Gladstone's table-talk. For conversation, strictly so called, he has no

turn. He asks questions when he wants information, and answers them

copiously when asked by others. But of give-and-take, of meeting you

half-way, of paying you back in your own conversational coin, he has

little notion. He discourses, he lectures, he harangues. But if a

subject is started which does not interest him it falls flat. He makes

no attempt to return the ball. Although, when he is amused, his

amusement is intense and long sustained, his sense of humour is highly

capricious. It is impossible for even his most intimate friends to guess

beforehand what will amuse him and what will not; and he has a most

disconcerting habit of taking a comic story in grim earnest, and arguing

some farcical fantasy as if it was a serious proposition of law or

logic. Nothing funnier can be imagined than the discomfiture of a

story-teller who has fondly thought to tickle the great man's fancy by

an anecdote which depends for its point upon some trait of baseness,

cynicism, or sharp practice. He finds his tale received in dead silence,

looks up wonderingly for an explanation, and finds that what was

intended to amuse has only disgusted. Mr. Browning once told Mr.

Gladstone a highly characteristic story of Disraelitish duplicity, and

for all reply heard a voice choked with indignation:--"Do you call that

amusing, Browning? _I call it devilish_."[18]

FOOTNOTES:

[17] This was written before the 19th of May, 1898, on which day "the

world lost its greatest citizen;" but it has not been thought necessary,

here or elsewhere, to change the present into the past tense.

[18] I give this story as I received it from Mr. Browning.

XV.

CONVERSATION--_continued_.

More than thirty years have passed since the festive evening described

by Sir George Trevelyan in _The Ladies in Parliament_:--

"When, over the port of the innermost bin,

The circle of diners was laughing with Phinn;

When Brookfield had hit on his happiest vein.

And Harcourt was capping the jokes of Delane."

The sole survivor of that brilliant group now[19] leads the Opposition;

but at the time when the lines were written he had not yet entered the

House of Commons. As a youth of twenty-five he had astonished the

political world by his anonymous letters on _The Morality of Public

Men_, in which he denounced, in the style of Junius, the Protectionist

revival of 1852. He had fought a plucky but unsuccessful fight at

Kirkcaldy; was making his five thousand a year at the Parliamentary Bar;

had taught the world international law over the signature of

"Historicus," and was already, what he is still, one of the most

conspicuous and interesting figures in the society of London. Of Sir

William Harcourt's political alliances this is not the place nor am I

the person to treat:

"Let the high Muse chant loves Olympian:

We are but mortals, and must sing of Man."

My theme is not Sir William Harcourt the politician, but Sir William

Harcourt the man, the member of society--above all, the talker. And,

although I have thus deliberately put politics on one side, it is

strictly relevant to my purpose to observe that Sir William is

essentially and typically a Whig. For Whiggery, rightly understood, is

not a political creed but a social caste. The Whig, like the poet, is

born, not made. It is as difficult to become a Whig as to become a Jew.

Macaulay was probably the only man who, being born outside the

privileged enclosure, ever penetrated to its heart and assimilated its

spirit. The Whigs, indeed, as a body have held certain opinions and

pursued certain tactics which have been analyzed in chapters xix. and

xxi. of the unexpurgated _Book of Snobs_. But those opinions and those

tactics have been mere accidents, though perhaps inseparable accidents,

of Whiggery. Its substance has been relationship.

When Lord John Russell formed his first Administration his opponents

alleged that it was mainly composed of his cousins, and one of his

younger brothers was charged with the impossible task of rebutting the

accusation in a public speech. Mr. Beresford-Hope, in one of his novels,

made excellent fun of what he called "the sacred circle of the

Great-Grandmotherhood." He showed--what, indeed, the Whigs themselves

knew uncommonly well--that from a certain Earl Gower, who flourished in

the eighteenth century, and was great-great-great-grandfather of the

present Duke of Sutherland, are descended all the Levesons,[20] Gowers,

Howards, Cavendishes, Grosvenors, Russells, and Harcourts, who walk on

the face of the earth. Truly a noble and a highly favoured progeny.

"They _are_ our superiors," said Thackeray; "and that's the fact. I am

not a Whig myself (perhaps it is as unnecessary to say so as to say I'm

not King Pippin in a golden coach, or King Hudson, or Miss

Burdett-Coutts). I'm not a Whig; but oh, how I should like to be one!"

From this illustrious stock Sir William Harcourt is descended through

his grandmother, Lady Anne Harcourt--born Leveson-Gower, and wife of

the last Prince-Archbishop of York (whom, by the way, Sir William

strikingly resembles both in figure and in feature). When one meets Sir

William Harcourt for the first time in society, perhaps one is first

struck by the fact that he is in aspect and bearing a great gentleman of

the old school, and then that he is an admirable talker. He is a true

Whig in culture as well as in blood. Though his conversation is never

pedantic, it rests on a wide and strong basis of generous learning. Even

those who most cordially admire his political ability do not always

remember that he is an excellent scholar, and graduated as eighth in the

First Class of the Classical Tripos in the year when Bishop Lightfoot

was Senior Classic. He has the _Corpus Poetarum_ and Shakespeare and

Pope at his finger-ends, and his intimate acquaintance with the

political history of England elicited a characteristic compliment from

Lord Beaconsfield. It is his favourite boast that in all his tastes,

sentiments, and mental habits he belongs to the eighteenth century,

which he glorifies as the golden age of reason, patriotism, and liberal

learning. This self-estimate strikes me as perfectly sound, and it

requires a very slight effort of the imagination to conceive this

well-born young Templar wielding his doughty pen in the Bangorian

Controversy, or declaiming on the hustings for Wilkes and Liberty;

bandying witticisms with Sheridan, and capping Latin verses with Charles

Fox; or helping to rule England as a member of that "Venetian Oligarchy"

on which Lord Beaconsfield lavished all the vials of his sarcasm. In

truth, it is not fanciful to say that whatever was best in the

eighteenth century--its robust common sense, its racy humour, its

thorough and unaffected learning, its ceremonious courtesy for great

occasions, its jolly self-abandonment in social intercourse--is

exhibited in the demeanour and conversation of Sir William Harcourt. He

is an admirable host, and, to borrow a phrase from Sydney Smith,

"receives his friends with that honest joy which warms more than dinner

or wine." As a guest, he is a splendid acquisition, always ready to

amuse and to be amused, delighting in the rapid cut-and-thrust of

personal banter, and bringing out of his treasure things new and old for

the amusement and the benefit of a later and less instructed generation.

Extracts from the private conversation of living people, as a rule, I

forbear; but some of Sir William's quotations are so extraordinarily apt

that they deserve a permanent place in the annals of table-talk. That

fine old country gentleman, the late Lord Knightley (who was the living

double of Dickens's Sir Leicester Dedlock), had been expatiating after

dinner on the undoubted glories of his famous pedigree. The company was

getting a little restive under the recitation, when Sir William was

heard to say, in an appreciative aside, "This reminds me of Addison's

evening hymn--

'And Knightley to the listening earth

Repeats the story of his birth.'"

Surely the force of apt citation can no further go. When Lord Tennyson

chanced to say in Sir William Harcourt's hearing that his pipe after

breakfast was the most enjoyable of the day, Sir William softly murmured

the Tennysonian line--

"The earliest pipe of half-awakened birds."

Some historians say that he substituted "bards" for "birds," and the

reception accorded by the poet to the parody was not as cordial as its

excellence deserved.

Another capital talker is Sir George Trevelyan. He has been, from the

necessities of his position, a man of the world and a politician, and he

is as ready as Mr. Bertie-Tremaine's guests in _Endymion_ to talk of

"that heinous subject on which enormous fibs are ever told--the

Registration." But, after all, the man of the world and the politician

are only respectable parts which he had been bound to assume, and he has

played them--with assiduity and success: but the true man in Sir George

Trevelyan is the man of letters. Whenever he touches a historical or

literary theme his whole being seems to undergo a transformation. The

real nature flashes out through his twinkling eyes. While he muses the

fire burns, and, like the Psalmist, he speaks with his tongue. Dates and

details, facts and traditions, cantos and poetry, reams of prose,

English and Latin and Greek and French, come tumbling out in headlong

but not disorderly array. He jumps at an opening, seizes an illusion,

replies with lightning quickness to a conversational challenge, and is

ready at a moment's notice to decide any literary or historical

controversy in a measured tone of deliberate emphasis which is not

wholly free from exaggeration. Like his uncle Lord Macaulay, Sir George

Trevelyan has "his own heightened and telling way of putting things,"

and those who know him well make allowance for this habit. For the rest,

he is delightful company, light-hearted as a boy, full of

autobiographical chit-chat about Harrow and Trinity, and India and Holly

Lodge, eagerly interested in his friends' concerns, brimming over with

enthusiasm, never bored, never flat, never stale. A well-concerted party

is a kind of unconscious conspiracy to promote cheerfulness and

enjoyment, and in such an undertaking there can be no more serviceable

ally than Sir George Trevelyan.

Mr. John Morley's agreeableness in conversation is of a different kind.

His leading characteristic is a dignified austerity of demeanour which

repels familiarity and tends to keep conversation on a high level; but

each time one meets him there is less formality and less restraint, and

the grave courtesy which never fails is soon touched with friendliness

and frank good-humour in a singularly attractive fashion. He talks, not

much, but remarkably well. His sentences are deliberate, clear-cut,

often eloquent. He excels in phrase-making. His quotations are apt and

novel. His fine taste and varied reading enable him to hold his own in

many fields where the merely professional politician is apt to be

terribly astray. His kindness to social and literary beginners is one of

his most engaging traits. He invariably finds something pleasant to say

about the most immature and unpromising efforts, and he has the knack of

so handling his own early experience as to make it an encouragement and

a stimulus, and not (as the manner of some is) a burden and a bogey. Mr.

Morley never obtrudes his own opinions, never introduces debatable

matter, never dogmatizes. But he is always ready to pick up the

gauntlet, especially if a Tory flings it down; is merciless towards

ill-formed assertion, and is the alert and unsparing enemy of what Mr.

Ruskin calls "the obscene empires of Mammon and Belial."

Lord Salisbury goes so little into general society that his qualities as

a talker are not familiarly known. He is painfully shy, and at a club or

in a large party undergoes the torments of the lost. Yet no one can

listen, even casually, to his conversation without appreciating the fine

manner, full both of dignity and of courtesy; the utter freedom from

pomposity, formality, and self-assertion, and the agreeable dash of

genuine cynicism, which modifies, though it does not mask, the flavour

of his fun. After a visit to Hatfield in 1868, Bishop Wilberforce wrote

in his diary: "Gladstone how struck with Salisbury: 'Never saw a more

perfect host.'" And again--"He remarked to me on the great power of

charming and pleasant hosting possessed by Salisbury." And it is the

universal testimony of Lord Salisbury's guests, whether at Hatfield or

in Arlington Street, that he is seen at his very best in his own house.

The combination of such genuine amiability in private life with such

calculated brutality in public utterance constitutes a psychological

problem which might profitably be made the subject of a Romanes Lecture.

Barring the shyness, from which Mr. Balfour is conspicuously free, there

is something of Lord Salisbury's social manner about his accomplished

nephew. He has the same courtesy, the same sense of humour, the same

freedom from official solemnity. But the characteristics of the elder

man are exaggerated in the younger. The cynicism which is natural in

Lord Salisbury is affected in Mr. Balfour. He cultivates the art of

indifference, and gives himself the airs of a jaded Epicurean who craves

only for a new sensation. There is what an Irish Member, in a moment of

inspiration, called a "toploftiness" about his social demeanour which is

not a little irritating. He is too anxious to show that he is not as

other men are. Among politicians he is a philosopher; among

philosophers, a politician. Before that hard-bitten crew whom Burke

ridiculed--the "calculators and economists"--he will talk airily of golf

and ladies' fashions; and ladies he will seek to impress by the Praise

of Vivisection or the Defence of Philosophic Doubt. His social

agreeableness has, indeed, been marred by the fatuous idolatry of a

fashionable clique, stimulating the self-consciousness which was his

natural foible; but when he can for a moment forget himself he still is

excellent company, for he is genuinely amiable and thoroughly well

informed.

FOOTNOTES:

[19] 1897.

[20] Cromartie, 4th Duke.

XVI.

CONVERSATION--_continued_.

The writer of these chapters has always felt some inward affinity to the

character of Lord St. Jerome in _Lothair_, of whom it is recorded that

he loved conversation, though he never conversed. "There must be an

audience," he would say, "and I am the audience." In my capacity of

audience I assign a high place to the agreeableness of Lord Rosebery's

conversation. To begin with, he has a delightful voice. It is low, but

perfectly distinct, rich and sympathetic in quality, and singularly

refined in accent. It is exactly the sort of voice which bespeaks the

goodwill of the hearer and recommends what it utters. In a former

chapter we agreed that the chief requisite of good conversation is to

have something to say which is worth saying, and here Lord Rosebery is

excellently equipped. Last week the newspapers announced with a flourish

of rhetorical trumpets that he had just celebrated his fiftieth

birthday.[21] Some of the trumpeters, with a laudable intention to be

civil, cried, "Is it possible that he can be so old?" Others, with

subtler art, professed themselves unable to believe that he was so

young. Each compliment contained its element of truth. In appearance,

air, and tastes Lord Rosebery is still young. In experience, knowledge,

and conduct he is already old. He has had a vivid and a varied

experience. He is equally at home on Epsom Downs and in the House of

Lords. His life has been full of action, incident, and interest. He has

not only collected books, but has read them; and has found time, even

amid the engrossing demands of the London County Council, the Turf, and

the Foreign Office, not only for study, but--what is much more

remarkable--for thought.

So far, then, as substance goes, his conversation is (to use Mr.

Gladstone's quaint phrase) "as full of infinitely varied matter as an

egg is full of meat;" and in its accidents and ornaments it complies

exactly with the conditions laid down in a former chapter--a manner

which knows how to be easy and free without being free-and-easy;

habitual deference to the tastes and prejudices of other people; a

courteous desire to be, or at least to seem, interested in their

concerns; and a recollection that even the most patient hearers (among

whom the present writer reckons himself) may sometimes wish to be

speakers. To these gifts he adds a keen sense of humour, a habit of

close observation, and a sub-acid vein of sarcasm which resembles the

dash of Tarragon in a successful salad. In a word, Lord Rosebery is one

of the most agreeable talkers of the day; and even if it is true that

_il s'écoute quand il parle_, his friends may reply that it would be

strange indeed if one could help listening to what is always so

agreeable and often so brilliant.

A genial journalist recently said that Mr. Goschen was now chiefly

remembered by the fact that he had once had Sir Alfred Milner for his

Private Secretary. But whatever may be thought of the First Lord of the

Admiralty as a politician and an administrator, I claim for him a high

place among agreeable talkers. There are some men who habitually use the

same style of speech in public and in private life. Happily for his

friends, this is not the case with Mr. Goschen. Nothing can be less

agreeable than his public style, whether on the platform or in the House

of Commons. Its tawdry staginess, its "Sadler's Wells sarcasm," its

constant striving after strong effects, are distressing to good taste.

But in private life he is another and a much more agreeable man. He is

courteous, genial, perfectly free from affectation, and enters into the

discussion of social banalities as eagerly and as brightly as if he had

never converted the Three per Cents, or established the ratio between

dead millionaires and new ironclads. His easiness in conversation is

perhaps a little marred by a Teutonic tendency to excessive analysis

which will not suffer him to rest until he has resolved every subject

and almost every phrase into its primary elements. But this philosophic

temperament has its counterbalancing advantages in a genuine openness of

mind, willingness to weigh and measure opposing views, and

inaccessibility to intellectual passion. It is true that on the platform

the exigencies of his position compel him to indulge in mock-heroics and

cut rhetorical capers for which Nature never designed him; but these are

for public consumption only, and when he is not playing to the gallery

he can discuss his political opponents and their sayings and doings as

dispassionately as a microscopist examines a black-beetle. Himself a

good talker, Mr. Goschen encourages good talk in other people; and in

old days, when the Art of Conversation was still seriously cultivated,

he used to gather round his table in Portland Place a group of intimate

friends who drank '34 port and conversed accordingly. Among these were

Lord Sherbrooke, whose aptness in quotation and dexterity in repartee

have never, in my experience, been surpassed; and Lord Chief Justice

Cockburn, whose "sunny face and voice of music, which lent melody to

scorn and sometimes reached the depth of pathos," were gracefully

commemorated by Lord Beaconsfield in his sketch of Hortensius. But this

belongs to ancient history, and my business is with the conversation of

to-day.

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