It was a characteristic saying, for, in truth, he was a born debater,

never so happy as when coping on the spur of the moment with the

arguments and appeals which an opponent had spent perhaps days in

elaborating beforehand. Again, in the art of elucidating figures he was

unequalled. He was the first Chancellor of the Exchequer who ever made

the Budget interesting. "He talked shop," it was said, "like a tenth

muse." He could apply all the resources of a glowing rhetoric to the

most prosaic questions of cost and profit; could make beer romantic and

sugar serious. He could sweep the widest horizon of the financial

future, and yet stoop to bestow the minutest attention on the microcosm

of penny stamps and the monetary merits of half-farthings. And yet,

extraordinary as were these feats of intellectual athletics, Mr.

Gladstone's unapproached supremacy as an orator was not really seen

until he touched the moral elements involved in some great political

issue. Then, indeed, he spoke like a prophet and a man inspired. His

whole physical formation seemed to become "fusile" with the fire of his

ethical passion, and his eloquence flowed like a stream of molten lava,

carrying all before it in its irresistible rush, glorious as well as

terrible, and fertilizing while it subdued. Mr. Gladstone's departure

from the House of Commons closed a splendid tradition, and Parliamentary

Oratory as our fathers understood it may now be reckoned among the lost

arts.

XIII.

CONVERSATION.

We have agreed that Parliamentary Oratory, as our fathers understood

that phrase, is a lost art. Must Conversation be included in the same

category? To answer with positiveness is difficult; but this much may be

readily conceded--that a belief in the decadence of conversation is

natural to those who have specially cultivated Links with the Past; who

grew up in the traditions of Luttrell and Mackintosh, and Lord Alvanley

and Samuel Rogers; who have felt Sydney Smith's irresistible fun, and

known the overwhelming fullness of Lord Macaulay. It is not unreasonable

even in that later generation which can still recall the frank but

high-bred gaiety of the great Lord Derby, the rollicking good-humour and

animal spirits of Bishop Wilberforce, the saturnine epigrams of Lord

Beaconsfield, the versatility and choice diction of Lord Houghton, the

many-sided yet concentrated malice which supplied the stock in trade of

Abraham Hayward. More recent losses have been heavier still. Just ten

years ago[15] died Mr. Matthew Arnold, who combined in singular harmony

the various elements which go to make good conversation--urbanity,

liveliness, quick sympathy, keen interest in the world's works and ways,

the happiest choice of words, and a natural and never-failing humour, as

genial as it was pungent. It was his characteristic glory that he knew

how to be a man of the world without being frivolous, and a man of

letters without being pedantic.

Eight years ago[16] I was asked to discuss the Art of Conversation in

one of the monthly reviews, and I could then illustrate it by such

living instances as Lord Granville, Sir Robert Peel, Lord Coleridge,

Lord Bowen, Mr. Browning, and Mr. Lowell. Each of those distinguished

men had a conversational gift which was peculiarly his own. Each talked

like himself, and like no one else; each made his distinct and

individual contribution to the social agreeableness of London. If in now

endeavouring to recall their characteristic gifts I use words which I

have used before, my excuse must be that the contemporary record of a

personal impression cannot with advantage be retouched after the lapse

of years.

Lord Granville's most notable quality was a humorous urbanity. As a

story-teller he was unsurpassed. He had been everywhere and had known

every one. He was quick to seize a point, and extraordinarily apt in

anecdote and illustration. His fine taste appreciated whatever was best

in life, in conversation, in literature, even when (as in his selection

of the preface to the Sanctus as his favourite piece of English prose)

it was gathered from fields in which he had not habitually roamed. A man

whose career had been so full of vivid and varied interests must often

have felt acutely bored by the trivial round of social conversation. But

if he could not rise--who can?--to the apostolic virtue of suffering

bores gladly, at any rate he endured their onslaughts as unflinchingly

as he stood the gout. A smiling countenance and an unfailing courtesy

concealed the torment which was none the less keen because it was

unexpressed. He could always feel, or at least could show, a gracious

interest in what interested his company, and he possessed in supreme

perfection the happy knack of putting those to whom he spoke in good

conceit with themselves.

The late Sir Robert Peel was, both mentally and physically, one of the

most picturesque figures in society. Alike in his character and in his

aspect the Creole blood which he had inherited from his maternal descent

triumphed over the robust and serviceable commonplace which was the

characteristic quality of the Peels. Lord Beaconsfield described "a

still gallant figure, scrupulously attired; a blue frock coat, with a

ribboned button-hole; a well-turned boot; hat a little too hidalgoish,

but quite new. There was something respectable and substantial about

him, notwithstanding his moustaches and a carriage too debonair for his

years." The description, for whomsoever intended, is a lifelike portrait

of Sir Robert Peel. His most salient feature as a talker was his lovely

voice--deep, flexible, melodious. Mr. Gladstone--no mean judge of such

matters--pronounced it the finest organ he ever heard in Parliament; but

with all due submission to so high an authority, I should have said that

it was a voice better adapted to the drawing-room than to the House of

Commons. In a large space a higher note and a clearer tone tell better,

but in the close quarters of social intercourse one appreciates the

sympathetic qualities of a rich baritone. And Sir Robert's voice,

admirable in itself, was the vehicle of conversation quite worthy of it.

He could talk of art and sport, and politics and books; he had a great

memory, varied information, lively interest in the world and its doings,

and a full-bodied humour which recalled the social tone of the

Eighteenth century.

His vein of personal raillery was rather robust than refined. Nothing

has been heard in our time quite like his criticism of Sir Edgar Boehm

in the House of Commons, or his joke about Mr. Justice Chitty at the

election for Oxford in 1880. But his humour (to quote his own words)

"had an English ring," and much must be pardoned to a man who, in this

portentous age of reticence and pose, was wholly free from solemnity,

and when he heard or saw what was ludicrous was not afraid to laugh at

it. Sir Robert Peel was an excellent hand at what our fathers called

banter and we call chaff. A prig or a pedant was his favourite butt, and

the performance was rendered all the more effective by his elaborate

assumption of the _grand seigneur's_ manner. The victim was dimly

conscious that he was being laughed at, but comically uncertain about

the best means of reprisal. Sydney Smith described Sir James Mackintosh

as "abating and dissolving pompous gentlemen with the most successful

ridicule." Whoever performs that process is a social benefactor, and the

greatest master of it whom I have ever known was Sir Robert Peel.

The Judges live so entirely in their own narrow and rather technical

circle that their social abilities are lost to the world. It is a pity,

for several of them are men well fitted by their talents and

accomplishments to take a leading part in society. The late Lord

Coleridge was pre-eminently a case in point. Personally, I had an almost

fanatical admiration for his genius, and in many of the qualities which

make an agreeable talker he was unsurpassed. Every one who ever heard

him at the Bar or on the Bench must recall that silvery voice and that

perfect elocution which prompted a competent judge of such matters to

say: "I should enjoy listening to Coleridge even if he only read out a

page of _Bradshaw_." To these gifts were added an immense store of

varied knowledge, a genuine enthusiasm for whatever is beautiful in

literature or art, an inexhaustible copiousness of anecdote, and a happy

knack of exact yet not offensive mimicry. It is always pleasant to see a

man in great station, who, in the intercourse of society, is perfectly

untrammelled by pomp and form, can make a joke and enjoy it, and is not

too cautious to garnish his conversation with personalities or to season

it with sarcasm. Perhaps Lord Coleridge's gibes were a little out of

place on "The Royal Bench of British Themis," but at a dinner-table they

were delightful, and they derived a double zest from the exquisite

precision and finish of the English in which they were conveyed.

Another judge who excelled in conversation was the late Lord Bowen.

Those who knew him intimately would say that he was the best talker in

London. In spite of the burden of learning which he carried and his

marvellous rapidity and grasp of mind, his social demeanour was quiet

and unobtrusive almost to the point of affectation. His manner was

singularly suave and winning, and his smile resembled that of the

much-quoted Chinaman who played but did not understand the game of

euchre. This singular gentleness of speech gave a special piquancy to

his keen and delicate satire, his readiness in repartee, and his subtle

irony. No one ever met Lord Bowen without wishing to meet him again; no

one ever made his acquaintance without desiring his friendship. Sir

Henry Cunningham's memoir of him only illustrated afresh the

impossibility of transplanting to the printed page the rarefied humour

of so delicate a spirit. Let me make just one attempt. Of a brother

judge he said: "To go to the Court of Appeal with a judgment of ----'s in

your favour, is like going to sea on a Friday. It is not necessarily

fatal; but _one would rather it had not happened_." Had Bowen been more

widely known, the traditions of his table-talk would probably have taken

their place with the best recollections of English conversation. His

admirers can only regret that gifts so rich and so rare should have been

buried in judicial dining-rooms or squandered on the dismal orgies of

the Cosmopolitan Club, where dull men sit round a meagre fire, in a

large, draughty, and half-lit room, drinking lemon-squash and talking

for talking's sake--the most melancholy of occupations.

The society of London between 1870 and 1890 contained no more striking

or interesting figure than that of Robert Browning. No one meeting him

for the first time and unfurnished with a clue would have guessed his

vocation. He might have been a diplomatist, a statesman, a discoverer,

or a man of science. But whatever was his calling, one felt sure that it

must be something essentially practical. Of the disordered appearance,

the unconventional demeanour, the rapt and mystic air which we assume to

be characteristic of the poet he had absolutely none. And his

conversation corresponded to his appearance. It abounded in vigour, in

fire, in vivacity. It was genuinely interesting, and often strikingly

eloquent, yet all the time it was entirely free from mystery, vagueness,

and jargon. It was the crisp, emphatic, and powerful discourse of a man

of the world who was incomparably better informed than the mass of his

congeners. Mr. Browning was the readiest, the blithest, and the most

forcible of talkers, and when he dealt in criticism the edge of his

sword was mercilessly whetted against pretension and vanity. The

inflection of his voice, the flash of his eye, the pose of his head, the

action of his hand, all lent their special emphasis to the condemnation.

"I like religion to be treated seriously," he exclaimed with reference

to a theological novel of great renown, "and I don't want to know what

this curate or that curate thought about it. _No, I don't._" Surely the

secret thoughts of many hearts found utterance in that emphatic cry.

Here I must venture to insert a personal reminiscence. Mr. Browning had

honoured me with his company at dinner, and an unduly fervent admirer

had button-holed him throughout a long evening, plying him with

questions about what he meant by this line, and whom he intended by that

character. It was more than flesh and blood could stand, and at last

the master extricated himself from the grasp of the disciple, exclaiming

with the most airy grace, "But, my dear fellow, this is too bad. _I_ am

monopolizing _you_." Now and then, at rather rare intervals, when time

and place, and company and surroundings, were altogether suitable, Mr.

Browning would consent to appear in his true character and to delight

his hearers by speaking of his art. Then the higher and rarer qualities

of his genius came into play. He kindled with responsive fire at a

beautiful thought, and burned with contagious enthusiasm over a phrase

which struck his fancy. Yet all the while the poetic rapture was

underlain by a groundwork of robust sense. Rant, and gush, and

affectation were abhorrent to his nature, and even in his grandest

flights of fancy he was always intelligible.

The late Mr. Lowell must certainly be reckoned among the famous talkers

of his time. During the years that he represented the United States in

London his trim sentences, his airy omniscience, his minute and

circumstantial way of laying down literary law, were the inevitable

ornaments of serious dinners and cultured tea-tables. My first encounter

with Mr. Lowell took place many years before he entered on his

diplomatic career. It was in 1872, when I chanced to meet him in a

company of tourists at Durham Castle. Though I was a devotee of the

_Biglow Papers_, I did not know their distinguished author even by

sight; and I was intensely amused by the air of easy mastery, the calm

and almost fatherly patronage, with which this cultivated American

overrode the indignant showwoman; pointed out, for the general benefit

of the admiring tourists, the gaps and lapses in her artistic,

architectural, and archaeological knowledge; and made mullion and

portcullis, and armour and tapestry the pegs for a series of neat

discourses on mediaeval history, domestic decoration, and the science of

fortification.

Which things are an allegory. We, as a nation, take this calm assurance

of foreigners at its own valuation. We consent to be told that we do not

know our own poets, cannot pronounce our own language, and have no

well-educated women. But after a time this process palls. We question

the divine right of the superiority thus imposed on us. We ask on what

foundation these high claims rest, and we discover all at once that we

have paid a great deal of deference where very little was deserved. By

processes such as these I came to find, in years long subsequent to the

encounter at Durham, that Mr. Lowell, though an accomplished politician,

a brilliant writer, and an admirable after-dinner speaker, was,

conversationally considered, an inaccurate man with an accurate manner.

But, after all, inaccuracy is by no means the worst of conversational

faults, and when he was in the vein Mr. Lowell could be exceedingly good

company. He liked talking, and talked not only much but very well. He

had a genuine vein of wit and great dexterity in phrase-making; and on

due occasion would produce from the rich stores of his own experience

some of the most vivid and striking incidents, both civil and military,

of that tremendous struggle for human freedom with which his name and

fame must be always and most honourably associated.

FOOTNOTES:

[15] April 15 1888

[16] Written in 1897.

XIV.

CONVERSATION--_continued_.

Brave men have lived since as well as before Agamemnon, and those who

know the present society of London may not unreasonably ask whether,

even granting the heavy losses which I enumerated in my last chapter,

the Art of Conversation is really extinct. Are the talkers of to-day in

truth so immeasurably inferior to the great men who preceded them?

Before we can answer these questions, even tentatively, we must try to

define our idea of good conversation, and this can best be done by

rigidly ruling out what is bad. To begin with, all affectation,

unreality, and straining aftereffect are intolerable; scarcely less so

are rhetoric, declamation, and whatever tends towards speech-making.

Mimicry is a very dangerous trick, rare in perfection, and contemptible

when imperfect. An apt story well told is delicious, but there was sound

philosophy in Mr. Pinto's view that "when a man fell into his anecdotage

it was a sign for him to retire from the world." One touch of ill-nature

makes the whole world kin, and a spice of malice tickles the

intellectual palate; but a conversation which is mainly malicious is

entirely dull. Constant joking is a weariness to the flesh; but, on the

other hand, a sustained seriousness of discourse is fatally apt to

recall the conversation between the Hon. Elijah Pogram and the Three

Literary Ladies--"How Pogram got out of his depth instantly, and how the

Three L.L.'s were never in theirs, is a piece of history not worth

recording. Suffice it that, being all four out of their depths and all

unable to swim, they splashed up words in all directions, and floundered

about famously. On the whole, it was considered to have been the

severest mental exercise ever heard in the National Hotel, and the whole

company observed that their heads ached with the effort--as well they

might."

A talker who monopolizes the conversation is by common consent

insufferable, and a man who regulates his choice of topics by reference

to what interests not his hearers but himself has yet to learn the

alphabet of the art. Conversation is like lawn-tennis, and requires

alacrity in return at least as much as vigour in service. A happy

phrase, an unexpected collocation of words, a habitual precision in the

choice of terms, are rare and shining ornaments of conversation, but

they do not for an instant supply the place of lively and interesting

matter, and an excessive care for them is apt to tell unfavourably on

the substance of discourse.

"I might as well attempt to gather up the foam of the sea as to convey

an idea of the extraordinary language in which he clothed his

description. There were at least five words in every sentence that must

have been very much astonished at the use they were put to, and yet no

others apparently could so well have expressed his idea. He talked like

a racehorse approaching the winning-post--every muscle in action, and

the utmost energy of expression flung out into every burst." This is a

contemporary description of Lord Beaconsfield's conversation in those

distant days when, as a young man about town, he was talking and

dressing his way into social fame. Though written in admiration, it

seems to me to describe the most intolerable performance that could ever

have afflicted society. _He talked like a racehorse approaching the

winning-post_. Could the wit of man devise a more appalling image?

Mr. Matthew Arnold once said to me: "People think that I can teach them

style. What stuff it all is! Have something to say, and say it as

clearly as you can. That is the only secret of style." This dictum

applies, I think, at least as well to conversation as to literature. The

one thing needful is to have something to say. The way of saying it may

best be left to take care of itself. A young man about town once

remarked to me, in the tone of one who utters an accepted truism: "It is

so much more interesting to talk about people than things." The

sentiment was highly characteristic of the mental calibre and

associations of the speaker; and certainly the habitual talk--for it is

not conversation--of that section of society which calls itself "smart"

seems to touch the lowest depth of spiteful and sordid dullness. But

still, when the mischiefs of habitual personality have been admitted to

the uttermost, there remains something to be said on the other side. We

are not inhabitants of Jupiter or Saturn, but human beings to whom

nothing that is human is wholly alien. And if in the pursuit of high

abstractions and improving themes we imitate too closely Wordsworth's

avoidance of Personal Talk, our dinner-table will run much risk of

becoming as dull as that poet's own fireside.

Granting, then, that to have something to say which is worth hearing is

the substance of good conversation, we must reckon among its accidents

and ornaments a manner which knows how to be easy and free without being

free-and-easy; a habitual deference to the tastes and even the

prejudices of other people; a hearty desire to be, or at least to seem,

interested in their concerns; and a constant recollection that even the

most patient hearers may sometimes wish to be speakers. Above all else,

the agreeable talker cultivates gentleness and delicacy of speech,

avoids aggressive and overwhelming displays, and remembers the tortured

cry of the neurotic bard:--

"Vociferated logic kills me quite;

A noisy man is always in the right--

I twirl my thumbs, fall back into my chair,

Fix on the wainscot a distressful stare;

And when I hope his blunders all are out,

Reply discreetly, 'To be sure--no doubt!'"

If these, or something like these, are the attributes of good

conversation, in whom do we find them best exemplified? Who best

understands the Art of Conversation? Who, in a word, are our best

talkers? I hope that I shall not be considered ungallant if I say

nothing about the part borne in conversation by ladies. Really it is a

sacred awe that makes me mute. London is happy in possessing not a few

hostesses, excellently accomplished, and not more accomplished than

gracious, of whom it is no flattery to say that to know them is a

liberal education. But, as Lord Beaconsfield observes in a more than

usually grotesque passage of _Lothair_, "We must not profane the

mysteries of Bona Dea." We will not "peep and botanize" on sacred soil,

nor submit our most refined delights to the impertinences of critical

analysis.

In considering the Art of Conversation I obey a natural instinct when I

think first of Mr. Charles Villiers, M.P. His venerable age alone would

entitle him to this pre-eminence, for he was born in 1802, and was for

seventy years one of the best talkers in London. Born of a family which

combined high rank with intellectual distinction, his parentage was a

passport to all that was best in social and political life. It argues no

political bias to maintain that in the first quarter of the nineteenth

century Toryism afforded its neophytes no educational opportunities

equal to those which a young Whig enjoyed at Bowood and Panshanger and

Holland House. There the best traditions of the previous century were

constantly reinforced by accessions of fresh intellect. The charmed

circle was indeed essentially, but it was not exclusively, aristocratic;

genius held the key, and there was a _carrière ouverte aux talents_.

Thus it came to pass that the society of Lord Lansdowne and Lord Holland

and Lord Melbourne was also the society of Brougham and Mackintosh, and

Macaulay and Sydney Smith. It presented every variety of accomplishment

and experience and social charm, and offered to a man beginning life the

best conceivable education in the art of making oneself agreeable. For

that art Mr. Villiers had a natural genius, and his lifelong association

with the Whigs superadded a technical training in it. But this, though

much, was by no means all. I hold it to be an axiom that a man who is

only a member of society can never be so agreeable as one who is

something else as well. And Mr. Villiers, though "a man about town," a

story-teller, and a diner-out of high renown, has had seventy years'

experience of practical business and Parliamentary life. Thus the

resources of his knowledge have been perpetually enlarged, and, learning

much, he has forgotten nothing. The stores of his memory are full of

treasures new and old. He has taken part in the making of history, and

can estimate the great men of the present day by a comparison with the

political immortals.

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