Then there follow "The Independence of Montenegro * * * also of

Roumania and Servia;" and directions concerning Bosnia and

Herzegovina, whose reforms "should be analogous."

None of these things, I am convinced, touches the interests of Germany

to such an extent that we should be justified in jeopardizing for

its sake our relations with our neighbors--our friends. We may accept

one or the other definition without loss in our spheres of interest.

Then there follows, under paragraph five, a stipulation concerning the

indemnity of war, which leaves the question open, whether "it should

be pecuniary or territorial." This is a matter which concerns the

belligerents in so far as it may be pecuniary, and the signers of the

Paris treaty of peace in so far as it may be territorial, and will

have to be settled by their consent.

Then there follows the provision concerning the Dardanelles. This, I

believe, has given cause for much more anxiety in the world than is

justified by the actual possibilities of any probable outcome. "His

Majesty the Sultan declares his willingness to come to an agreement

with His Majesty the Emperor of Russia with a view of safeguarding the

rights and interests of Russia in the straits of the Bosphorus and the

Dardanelles."

The question of the Dardanelles is freighted with importance when it

means placing the control there--the key of the Bosphorus--in other

hands than heretofore, and deciding whether Russia shall be able to

close and to open the Dardanelles at will. All other stipulations can

have reference only to times of peace, for in the more important times

of war the question will always hinge on whether the possessor of the

key to the Dardanelles is in alliance with or dependent on those

living outside or inside the Dardanelles, on Russia or on the

opponents of Russia. In case of war, I believe no stipulation which

may be made will have the importance which people fear, provided the

Dardanelles are in times of peace in the possession of people who are

fully independent of Russia. It may be of interest for the people on

the shores of the Mediterranean to know whether the Russian Black Sea

fleet shall be permitted in times of peace to sail through the

Dardanelles and to show itself on their shores. If, however, it shows

itself there, I should infer Peace, like good weather from the

barometer; when it withdraws and carefully secludes itself, then it

is time to suspect that clouds are gathering. The question, therefore,

whether men-of-war shall be permitted to pass the Dardanelles in times

of peace, although by no means unimportant, is to my way of thinking

not sufficiently important to inflame Europe.

The question whether the possession of the Dardanelles shall be

shifted to other owners is entirely different. It constitutes,

however, a conjectural eventuality which the present situation does

not contemplate, I believe, and on which I shall, therefore, express

no opinion. My only concern at present is to give an approximate

definition, as best I can, of those weighty interests which may lead

to another war after the Russian-Turkish war has been actually

concluded. For this reason I deem it important to affirm that the

stipulations of peace concerning the Dardanelles mean less for the

men-of-war than for the merchant marine. The preëminent German

interest in the Orient demands that the waterways, the straits as well

as the Danube from the Black Sea upward, shall continue as free and

open to us as they have been until now. I rather infer that we shall

surely obtain this, for as a matter of fact it has never even been

questioned. An official communication on this point which I have

received from St. Petersburg simply refers to the existing

stipulations of the treaty of Paris. Nothing is jeopardized; our

position can be no worse and no better than it has been.

The interest which we have in a better government of a Christian

nation and in the safeguards against those acts of violence which have

occurred at times, under Turkish rule, is taken care of by the

agreements mentioned above. And this is the second interest which

Germany has in this whole affair. It is less direct, but is dictated

by humanity.

The rest of the preliminary stipulations consists--I will not say of

phrases, for it is an official paper--but it has no bearing on our

present discussion.

With these explanations I have answered to the best of my ability the

first part of the interpellation concerning the present state of

affairs in the Orient, and I fear, gentlemen, that I have said nothing

new to any one of you.

The other parts of the question refer to the position which Germany

has taken or intends to take in view of the now existing conditions

and innovations.

As to the position which we have already taken I cannot now give you

any information, for officially we have been in possession of the

papers to which I have referred only a very short while, I may say

literally only since this very morning. What we knew beforehand was in

general agreement with these papers, but not of a nature to make

official steps possible. It consisted of private communications for

which we were indebted to the courtesy of other governments.

Official steps, therefore, have not yet been taken, and would be

premature in view of the conference, which I hope is at hand. All this

information will then be available and we shall be in a position to

exchange opinions concerning these matters. Any alterations,

therefore, of the stipulations of 1856 will have to be sanctioned. If

they should not be, the result would not necessarily be another war,

but a condition of affairs which all the powers of Europe, I think,

have good cause to avoid. I am almost tempted to call it making a

morass of matters. Let us assume that no agreement about what has to

be done can be reached in the conference, and that the powers who have

a chief interest in opposing the Russian stipulations should say: "At

the present moment it does not suit us to go to war about these

questions, but we are not in accord with your agreements, and we

reserve our decision"--would not that establish a condition of affairs

which cannot be agreeable even to Russia? The Russian policy rightly

says, "We are not desirous of exposing ourselves to the necessity of a

Turkish campaign every ten or twenty years, for it is exhausting,

strenuous, and expensive." But the Russian policy, on the other

hand, cannot wish to substitute for this Turkish danger an

English-Austrian entanglement recurring every ten or twenty years. It

is, therefore, my opinion that Russia is equally interested with the

other powers in reaching an agreement now, and in not deferring it to

some future and perhaps less convenient time.

That Russia could possibly wish to force the other powers by war to

sanction the changes which she deems necessary I consider to be beyond

the realm of probability. If she could not obtain the sanction of the

other signers of the clauses of 1856, she would, I suppose, be

satisfied with the thought "_Beati possidentes_" (happy are the

possessors). Then the question would arise whether those who are

dissatisfied with the Russian agreements and have real and material

interests at stake, would be ready to wage war in order to force

Russia to diminish her demands or to give up some of them. If they

should be successful in forcing Russia to give up more than she could

bear, they would do so at the risk of leaving in Russia, when the

troops come home, a feeling similar to that in Prussia after the

treaties of 1815, a lingering feeling that matters really are not

settled, and that another attempt will have to be made.

If this could be achieved by a war, one would have to regard, as the

aim of this war, the expulsion of Russia from the Bulgarian

strongholds which she is at present occupying, and from her position

which no doubt is threatening Constantinople--although she has given

no indication of a wish to occupy this city. Those who would have

accomplished this by a victorious war, would then have to shoulder the

responsibility of deciding what should be done with these countries of

European Turkey. That they should be willing simply to reinstate the

Turkish rule in its entirety after everything said and determined in

the conference, is, I believe, very improbable. They would, therefore,

be obliged to make some kind of a disposition, which could not differ

very much in principle from what is being proposed now. It might

differ in geographical extent and in the degree of independence, but I

do not believe that Austria-Hungary, for instance, the nearest

neighbor, would be ready to accept the entire heritage of the present

Russian conquest, and be responsible for the future of these Slavic

countries, either by incorporating them in the state of Hungary or

establishing them as dependencies. I do not believe that this is an

end which Austria can much desire in view of her own Slavic subjects.

She cannot wish to be the editor of the future in the Balkan

peninsula, as she would have to be if she won a victory.

I mention all these eventualities, in which I place no faith, for the

sake of proving how slight the reasonable probability of a European

war appears to be. It is not reasonably probable that the greater or

lesser extent of a tributary State--unless conditions were altogether

unbearable--should induce two neighboring and friendly powers to start

a destructive European war in cold blood! The blood will be cooler, I

assure you, when we have at last come together in a conference.

It was to meet these eventualities that the idea of a conference was

first proposed by the government of Austria-Hungary. We were from the

start ready to accept it, and we were almost the first to do so.

Concerning the selection of a place where the conference should be

held, difficulties arose which I consider out of proportion to the

significance of the whole matter. But even in this direction we have

raised no objections and declared ourselves satisfied with the places

which have been mentioned. They were Vienna, Brussels, Baden-Baden,

Wiesbaden, Wildbad, a place in Switzerland--I should, however, say

Wildbad was mentioned by no one but itself. Stuttgart was also

mentioned. Any of these places would have been agreeable to us. It now

seems--if I am correctly informed, and the decision must be made in a

few days--that the choice will fall on Baden-Baden. Our interest,

which is shared by those powers with whom we have corresponded, is the

despatch of the conference irrespective of the choice of a place,

which is for us of little consequence. As regards places in Germany I

have expressed no opinion beyond this, that on German soil the

presidency would have to be German. This view has nowhere been

opposed. After the general acceptance of this principle it will depend

on the men sent to attend this conference whether for reasons of

expediency it must be adhered to. Personally I believe the conference

is assured, and I expect that it will take place in the first half of

next March. It would be desirable that the conference should take

place sooner--and the uncertainty concerning it be ended. But before

the powers join in a conference, they naturally desire an exchange of

opinion the one with the other; and the connections with the seat of

war are really very slow. The delay of the communications which

reached us was, and still is, explained by the delay with which news

comes from the seat of war. The suspicion which has for some time been

felt in the press that this delay was intentional becomes unfounded

when one realizes that the advance of the Russian army following

January 30 was in consequence of the stipulations of the armistice,

and did not constitute an advantage taken of an opportune moment. The

boundaries within which the Russian army is stationed today are the

lines of demarcation expressly mentioned in the armistice. I do not

believe in any intentional delay from anywhere; on the contrary, I

have confidence in the good intentions everywhere to send

representatives to the conference speedily. We certainly shall do our

part to the best of our ability.

I now come to the most difficult part--excuse me if I continue for the

present seated--I come to the most difficult part of the task set me,

an explanation, so far as this is possible, of the position which

Germany is to take in the conference. In this connection you will not

expect from me anything but general indications of our policy. Its

programme Mr. von Bennigsen has developed before you clearly and

comprehensively, almost more so than nay strength at the present

moment permits me to do.

When from many quarters the demand has been made upon us--to be sure

from no government, but only from voices in the press and other well

meaning advisers--that e should define our policy from the start and

force it on the other governments in some form, I must say that this

seems to me to be newspaper diplomacy rather than the diplomacy of a

statesman.

Let me explain to you at once the difficulty and impossibility of such

a course. If we did express a definite programme, which we should be

obliged to follow when we had announced it officially and openly not

only before you, but also before the whole of Europe, should we not

then place a premium on the contentiousness of all those who

considered our programme to be not favorable to themselves!

We should also render the part of mediation in the conference, which I

deem very important, almost impossible for ourselves, because

everybody with the _menu_ of the German policy in his hand could say

to us: "German mediation can go just so far; it can do this, and this

it cannot do." It is quite possible that the free hand which Germany

has preserved, and the uncertainty of Germany's decisions have not

been without influence on the preservation of peace thus far. If you

play the German card, laying it on the table, everybody knows how to

adapt himself to it or how to avoid it. Such a course is impracticable

if you wish to preserve peace. The adjustment of peace does not, I

believe, consist in our playing the arbiter, saying: "It must be thus,

and the weight of the German empire stands behind it." Peace is

brought about, I think, more modestly. Without straining the simile

which I am quoting from our everyday life, it partakes more of the

behavior of the honest broker, who really wishes to bring about a

bargain.

As long as we follow this policy we are in the position to save a

power which has secret wishes from the embarrassment of meeting with a

refusal or an unpleasant reply from its--let me say, congressional

opponent. If we are equally friendly with both, we can first sound one

and then say to the other: "Do not do that, try to arrange matters in

this way." These are helps in business which should be highly

esteemed. I have an experience of many years in such matters, and it

has been brought home to me often, that when two are alone the thread

drops more frequently and is not picked up because of false shame. The

moment when it could be picked up passes, people separate in silence,

and are annoyed. If, however, a third person is present, he can pick

up the thread without much ado, and bring the two together again when

they have parted. This is the function of which I am thinking and

which corresponds to the amicable relations in which we are living

with our friendly neighbors along our extensive borders. It is

moreover in keeping with the union among the three imperial courts

which has existed for five years, and the intimacy which we enjoy with

England, another one of the powers chiefly concerned in this matter.

As regards England we are in the fortunate position of not having any

conflicting interests, except perhaps some trade rivalries or passing

annoyances. These latter cannot be avoided, but there is absolutely

nothing which could drive two industrious and peace-loving nations to

war. I happily believe, therefore, that we may be the mediator between

England and Russia, just as I know we are between Austria and Russia,

if they should not be able to agree of their own accord.

The three-emperor-pact, if one wishes to call it such, while it is

generally called a treaty, is not based on any written obligations,

and no one of the three emperors can be voted down by the other two.

It is based on the personal sympathy among the three rulers, on the

personal confidence which they have in one another, and on the

personal relations which for many years have existed among the leading

ministers of all three empires.

We have always avoided forming a majority of two against one when

there was a difference of opinion between Austria and Russia, and we

have never definitely taken the part of one of them, even if our own

desires drew us more strongly in that direction. We have refrained

from this for fear that the tie might not be sufficiently strong

after all. It surely cannot be so strong that it could induce one of

these great powers to disregard its own incontestably national

interests for the sake of being obliging. That is a sacrifice which no

great power makes _pour les beaux yeux_ of another. Such a sacrifice

it makes only when arguments are replaced by hints of strength. Then

it may happen that the great power will say: "I hate to make this

concession, but I hate even worse to go to war with so strong a power

as Germany. Still I will remember this and make a note of it." That is

about the way in which such things are received. And this leads me to

the necessity of vigorously opposing all exaggerated demands made on

Germany's mediation. Let me declare that they are out of the question

so long as I have the honor of being the adviser of His Majesty.

I know that in saying this I am disappointing a great many

expectations raised in connection with today's disclosures, but I am

not of the opinion that we should go the road of Napoleon and try to

be, if not the arbiter, at least the schoolmaster of Europe.

I have here a clipping given me today from the _Allgemeine Zeitung,_

which contains a noteworthy article entitled "The Policy of Germany in

the Decisive Hour." This article demands as necessary the admission of

a third power to the alliance of England and Austria. That means, we

shall take part with England and Austria and deprive Russia of the

credit of voluntarily making the concessions which she may be willing

to grant in the interest of European peace. I do not doubt that Russia

will sacrifice for the sake of peace in Europe whatever her sense of

nationality and her own interests and those of eighty million Russians

permit. It is really superfluous to say this. And now please assume

that we took the advice of the gentlemen who think that we should play

the part of an arbiter--I have here another article from a Berlin

paper, called "Germany's Part as Arbiter"--and that we declared to

Russia in some polite and amicable way: "We have been friends, it is

true, for hundreds of years, Russia has ever been true-blue to us when

we were in difficulties, but now things are different. In the

interest of Europe, as the policemen of Europe, as a kind of a justice

of the peace, we must do as we are requested, we can no longer resist

the demands of Europe ...," what would be the result?

There are considerable numbers of Russians who do not love Germany,

and who fortunately are not at the helm now, but who would not be

unhappy if they were called there. What would they say to their

compatriots, they and perhaps other statesmen who at present are not

yet avowedly hostile to us? They would say: "With what sacrifices of

blood and men and money have we not won the position which for

centuries has been the ideal of Russian ambition! We could have

maintained it against those opponents who may have a real interest in

combating it. It was not Austria, with whom we have lived on

moderately intimate terms for some time, it was not England, who

possesses openly acknowledged counter-interests to ours--no, it was

our intimate friend Germany who drew, behind our back, not her sword

but a dagger, although we might have expected from her services in

return for services rendered, and although she has _no_ interests in

the Orient."

Those approximately would be the phrases, and this the theme which we

should hear in Russia. This picture which I have drawn in exaggerated

lines--but the Russian orators also exaggerate--corresponds with the

truth. We, however, shall never assume the responsibility of

sacrificing the certain friendship of a great nation, tested through

generations, to the momentary temptation of playing the judge in

Europe.

To jeopardize the friendship which fortunately binds us to most

European states and at the present moment to all,--for the parties to

whom it is an eyesore are not in power,--to jeopardize, I say, this

friendship with one friend in order to oblige another, when we as

Germans have no direct interests, and to buy the peace of others at

the cost of our own, or, to speak with college boys, to substitute at

a duel--such things one may do when one risks only one's own life, but

I cannot do them when I have to counsel His Majesty the Emperor as

regards the policy of a great State of forty million people in the

heart of Europe. From this tribune I therefore take the liberty of

saying a very definite "No" to all such imputations and suggestions. I

shall under no condition do anything of the kind; and no government,

none of those primarily interested, has made any such demands.

Germany, as the last speaker remarked, has grown to new

responsibilities as it has grown stronger. But even if we are able to

throw a large armed force into the scales of European policies, I do

not consider anybody justified in advising the emperor and the princes

(who would have to discuss the matter in the Bundesrat if we wished to

wage an offensive war) to make an appeal to the proven readiness of

the nation to offer blood and money for a war. The only war which I am

ready to counsel to the emperor is one to protect our independence

abroad and our union at home, or to defend those of our interests

which are so clear that we are supported, if we insist on them, not

only by the unanimous vote of the Bundesrat, which is necessary, but

also by the undivided enthusiasm of the whole German nation.

SALUS PUBLICA--BISMARCK'S ONLY LODE-STAR

February 24, 1881

TRANSLATED BY EDMUND VON MACH, PH.D.

[On February 24, 1881, the budget of the empire for the ensuing year

was under discussion. The representative, Mr. Richter, made use of

this opportunity to attack the home-politics of the chancellor in

their entirety. He felt great concern about the growing power of the

chancellor, and called upon his liberal colleagues to stem the tide,

and to curb the power of the chancellor. "Only if this is done will

the great gifts which distinguish the chancellor continue to be

fruitful for Germany. If this is not possible, and if we go on as we

have been going, the chancellor will ruin himself, and he will ruin

the country." Prince Bismarck replied:]

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