Interview with Gary Goodenow

In June 2005, William H. Donaldson was forced to resign

as Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission

(SEC). The reason? As the New York Times put it:

"criticism that his enforcement was too heavy-handed".

President Bush chose California Rep. Christopher Cox, a

Republican, to replace him.

Gary Langan Goodenow is an attorney licensed to

practice in the State of Florida and the District of

Columbia. The Webmaster of

www.RealityAtTheSEC.com, he worked at the Miami

office of the SEC for about six years, in the Division of

Enforcement.

His experience is varied. As a staff attorney, he

investigated and prosecuted cases enforcing the federal

securities laws. As a branch chief, he supervised the work

of several staff attorneys. As a Senior Trial Counsel, he

was responsible for litigating about thirty enforcement

cases at any one time in federal court. As Senior Counsel,

he made the final recommendations on which cases the

office would investigate and prosecute, or decline.

He describes an experience he had after he left the SEC.

"I represented an Internet financial writer with a Web

site that touted stocks, Mr. Ted Melcher of SGA Whisper

Stocks. The SEC sued Ted because as he was singing

the praises of certain stocks in his articles, he was selling

them into a rising market. He got his shares from the

issuers in exchange for doing the promotional

touting. Unfortunately for him, the SEC and the

Department of Justice made an example of his case, and

he went to jail".

Q. The SEC is often accused of lax and intermittent

enforcement of the law. Is the problem with the

enforcement division - or with the law? Can you describe

a typical SEC investigation from start to finish?

A. The problem lies with both.

At the SEC, the best argument in support of a proposed

course of action is "that's what we did last time". That will

inevitably please the staff attorney's superiors.

SEC rules and regulations remind me of an old farmhouse

that has been altered and adapted, sometimes for

convenience, other times for necessity. But it has never

been just plain pulled down and rebuilt despite incredible

changes around it. To the uninitiated, the house is

rambling with hidden passages, dark corners, low ceilings,

folklore and horror stories, and accumulations of tons of

antique rubbish that sometimes no one - not even some

SEC Commissioners - can wade through.

Wandering from room to room in this farmhouse are the

SEC staff. Regretfully, I found that many are ignorant or

indifferent to their mission, or scornful of investors'

plight, too addicted to their petty specializations in their

detailed job descriptions, and way too prone to follow

only the well-trodden path.

They are stunned by the rapidity, multiplicity, immensity

and intelligence behind the scams. Their tools of research,

investigation and prosecution are confusingly changed

periodically when Congress passes some new "reform"

legislation, or a new Chairman or new Enforcement

Director issues some memo edict on a "new approach".

Staff attorneys typically bring investors only bad news

and are numbed by the latters' emotional reactions, in a

kind of "shell shock". The SEC lost one quarter of its staff

in the last two years. The turnover of its 1200 attorneys, at

14%, is nearly double the government's average.

One SEC official was quoted as saying "We are losing our

future - the people who would have had the experience to

move into the senior ranks". Those that stay behind and

rise in the ranks are often the least inspired. At the SEC

enforcement division, one is often confronted with the

"evil of banality".

The SEC is empowered by the Securities Act of 1933

and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 to seek

injunctive relief where it appears that a person is engaged

or about to engage in violations of the federal securities

laws. This is a civil remedy, not a criminal law

sanction. Under well-settled case law, the purpose of

injunctive relief is deterrence, rather than punishment, of

those who commit violations. Investors do not know that,

and are uniformly shocked when told.

The "likelihood requirement" means that, once the

Commission demonstrates a violation, for injunctive relief

it needs only show that there is some reasonable

likelihood of future violations. "Positive proof' of

likelihood, as one court demanded, is hard to provide. At

the other extreme, I had one former Commissioner tell me

that, as he understood the law, if the person is alive and

breathing, the Commission enforcement staff can show

likelihood of future violations.

The broad powers of the federal courts are used in

actions brought by the Commission to prevent securities

violators from enjoying the fruits of their misconduct. But

because this is a civil and not a criminal remedy, the SEC

has a unique rule where defendants can consent to an

injunction without "admitting or denying the allegations

of the complaint". This leads to what are called "waivers",

and I submit that "waivers" are the fundamental flaw in

U.S. securities laws enforcement.

In a nutshell, here is the problem. A "fraudster"

commits a fraud. The Commission sues for an injunction.

The fraudster consents to the injunction as per above. The

Court then orders the fraudster to "disgorge" his "ill gotten

gains" from the scam, usually within 30 days and with

interest.

In most cases, the fraudster doesn't pay it all and the

Commission moves to hold him in civil contempt for

disobeying the Court's order. The fraudster claims to the

Court that it is impossible for him to comply because the

money is gone and he is "without the financial means to

pay". The Commission then issues a "waiver" and that's

the way many cases end. Thus both sides can put the case

behind them. The fraudster agrees to the re-opening of the

case if he turns out to have lied.

This procedure is problematic. The Commission

typically alleges that these fraudsters have lied through

their teeth in securities sales - but is forced to accept their

word in an affidavit swearing that they have no money to

pay the disgorgement. So the waivers are based on an

assumption of credibility that has no basis in experience

and possibly none in fact.

Moreover, the Division of Enforcement has no

mechanism in place to check if the fraudster has, indeed,

lied. After the waiver, the files of the case get stored. The

case is closed. I don't know if there's even a central place

where the records of waivers are kept.

In the six years I was at the Commission, I never heard

of a case involving a breach of waiver affidavit. I doubt if

one has ever been brought by the Commission -

anywhere. UPI ought to do a Freedom Of Information Act

Request on that.

Something similar happens with the Commission's

much vaunted ability to levy civil penalties. The statute

requires that a court trial be held to determine the

egregiousness of the fraud. Based on its findings, the court

can levy the fines. But, according to some earlier non-

SEC case law, a fraudster can ask for a jury trial regarding

the amount of the civil penalties because he or she lack

the means to pay them. U.S. district courts being as busy

as they are, there's no way the court is going to hold a jury

trial.

Instead, the fraudster consents to a court order "noting

the appropriateness of civil penalties for the case, but

declining to set them based on a demonstrated inability to

pay". Again, if the fraudster lied, the Commission can ask

the Court to revisit the issue.

Q. Internet fraud, corporate malfeasance, derivatives, off-

shore special purpose entities, multi-level marketing,

scams, money laundering - is the SEC up to it? Isn't its

staff overwhelmed and under-qualified?

A. The staff is overwhelmed. The longest serving are

often the least qualified because the talented usually leave.

We've already got the criminal statutes on the books for

criminal prosecution of securities fraud at the federal

level. Congress should pass a law deputizing staff

attorneys of the Commission Division of Enforcement,

with at least one-year experience and high performance

ratings, as Special Assistant United States Attorneys for

the prosecution of securities fraud. In other words, make

them part of the Department of Justice to make criminal,

not just civil cases, against the fraudsters.

The US Department of Justice does not have the person

power to pursue enough criminal securities cases in the

Internet Age. Commission attorneys have the expertise,

but not the legal right, to bring criminal prosecution. The

afore-described waiver system only makes the fraudsters

more confident that the potential gain from fraud

outweighs the risk.

I'd keep the civil remedies. In an ongoing fraud, with no

time to make out a criminal case, the Commission staff

can seek a Temporary Restraining Order and an asset

freeze. This more closely resembles the original intent of

Congress in the 1930s. But after the dust settles, the

investing public deserves to demand criminal

accountability for the fraud, not just waivers.

Q. Is the SEC - or at least its current head - in hock to

special interests, e.g., the accounting industry?

A. "In hock to special interests" is too explicit a statement

about US practice. It makes a good slogan for a Marxist

law school professor, but reality is far subtler.

By unwritten bipartisan agreement, the Chairman of the

SEC is always a political figure. Two of the five SEC

Commissioners are always Democrats, two Republicans,

and the Chairman belongs to the political party of the

President. I am curious to see if this same agreement will

apply to the boards established under the Sarbannes-Oxley

Act.

Thus, both parties typically choose a candidate for

Chairman of impeccable partisan credentials and

consistent adherence to the "party line". The less

connected, the less partisan, and academicians serve as

Commissioners, not Chairmen.

The Chairman's tenure normally overlaps with a specific

President's term in office, even when, as with President

Bush the elder following President Reagan, the same party

remains in power. SEC jobs lend themselves to lucrative

post-Commission employment. This explains the dearth of

"loyal opposition". Alumni pride themselves on their

connections following their departure.

The Chairman is no more and no less "in hock" than any

leading member of a US political party. Still, I faulted

Chairman Pitt, and became the first former member of

SEC management to call for his resignation, in an Op/Ed

item in the Miami Herald. In my view, he was

impermissibly indulgent of his former law clients at the

expense of SEC enforcement.

Q. What more could stock exchanges do to help the SEC?

A. At the risk of being flippant, enforce their own

rules. The major enforcement action against the

NASDAQ brokers a few years ago, for instance, was

toothless. Presently, Merrill Lynch is being scrutinized by

the State of New York, but there is not a word from the

NYSE.

Q. Do you regard the recent changes to the law -

especially the Sarbanes-Oxley Act - as toothless or an

important enhancement to the arsenal of law enforcement

agencies? Do you think that the SEC should have any

input in professional self-regulating and regulatory bodies,

such as the recently established accountants board?

A. It remains to be seen. The Act establishes a Public

Accounting Oversight Board ("the Board"). It reflects one

major aspect of SEC enforcement practice: unlike in many

countries, the SEC does not recognize an

accountant/client privilege, though it does recognize an

attorney/client privilege.

Regrettably, in my experience, attorneys organize at least

as much securities fraud as accountants. Yet in the US,

one would never see an "attorneys oversight board". For

one thing, Congress has more attorneys than accountants.

Section 3 of the Act, titled "Commission Rules and

Enforcement", treats a violation of the Rules of the

Public Company Accounting Oversight Board as a

violation of the '34 Act, giving rise to the same

penalties. It is unclear if this means waiver after waiver,

as in present SEC enforcement. Even if it does, the Rules

may still be more effective because US state regulators

can forfeit an accountant's license based on a waived

injunction.

The Act's provision, in Section 101, for the membership

of said Board has yet to be fleshed out. Appointed to five-

year terms, two of the members must be - or have been -

certified public accountants, and the remaining three must

not be and cannot have been CPAs. Lawyers are the

likeliest to be appointed to these other seats. The

Chairmanship may be held by one of the CPA members,

provided that he or she has not been engaged as a

practicing CPA for five years, meaning, ab initio, that he

or she will be behind the practice curb at a time when

change is rapid.

No Board member may, during their service on the Board,

"share in any of the profits of, or receive payments from, a

public accounting firm," other than "fixed continuing

payments," such as retirement payments. This mirrors

SEC practice with the securities industry, but does little to

tackle "the revolving door".

The Board members are appointed by the SEC, "after

consultation with" the Federal Reserve Board Chairman

and the Treasury Secretary. Given the term lengths, it is

safe to predict that every new presidential administration

will bring with it a new Board.

The major powers granted to the Board will effectively

change the accounting profession in the USA, at least with

regards to public companies, from a self-regulatory body

licensed by the states, into a national regulator.

Under Act Section 103, the Board shall: (1) register public

accounting firms; (2) establish "auditing, quality control,

ethics, independence, and other standards relating to the

preparation of audit reports for issuers;" (3) inspect

accounting firms; and (4) investigate and discipline firms

to enforce compliance with the Act, the Rules,

professional standards and the federal securities

laws. This is a sea change in the US.

As to professional standards, the Board must "cooperate

on an on-going basis" with certain accountants advisory

groups. Yet, US federal government Boards do not "co-

operate" - they dictate. The Board can "to the extent that it

determines appropriate" adopt proposals by such groups.

More importantly, it has authority to reject any standards

proffered by said groups. This will then be reviewed by

the SEC, because the Board must report on its standards to

the Commission every year. The SEC may - by rule -

require the Board to cover additional ground. The Board,

and the SEC through the Board, now run the US

accounting profession.

The Board is also augments the US effort to establish

hegemony over the global practice of accounting. Act

Section 106, Foreign Public Accounting Firms, subjects

foreigners who audit U.S. companies - including foreign

firms that perform audit work that is used by the primary

auditor on a foreign subsidiary of a U.S. company - to

registration with the Board.

I am amazed that the EU was silent on this inroad to their

sovereignty. This may prove more problematic in US

operations in China. I do not think the US can force its

accounting standards on China without negatively

affecting our trade there.

Under Act Section 108, the SEC now decides what are

"generally" accepted accounting principles. Registered

public accounting firms are barred from providing certain

non-audit services to an issuer they audit. Thus, the split,

first proposed by the head of Arthur Anderson in 1974, is

now the law.

Act Section 203, Audit Partner Rotation, is a gift to the

accounting profession. The lead audit or coordinating

partner and the reviewing partner must rotate every 5

years. That means that by law, the work will be spread

around. Note that the law says "partner", not

"partnership". Thus, we are likely to continue to see

institutional clients serviced by "juntas" at accounting

firms, not by individuals. This will likely end forever the

days when a single person controlled major amounts of

business at an accounting firm. US law firms would never

countenance such a change, as the competition for major

clients is intense.

Act Section 209, Consideration by Appropriate State

Regulatory Authorities, "throws a bone" to the states. It

requires state regulators to make an independent

determination whether Board standards apply to small and

mid-size non-registered accounting firms. No one can

seriously doubt the outcome of these determinations. But

we now pretend that we still have real state regulation of

the accounting profession, just as we pretend that we have

state regulation of the securities markets through "blue

sky laws". The reality is that the states will be confined

hence to the initial admission of persons to the accounting

profession. Like the "blue sky laws", it will be a revenue

source, but the states will be completely junior to the

Board and the SEC.

Act Section 302, Corporate Responsibility For Financial

Reports, mandates that the CEO and CFO of each issuer

shall certify the "appropriateness of the financial

statements and disclosures contained in the periodic

report, and that those financial statements and disclosures

fairly present, in all material respects, the operations and

financial condition of the issuer". This may prove

problematic with global companies. We have already seen

resistance by Daimler-Benz of Germany.

Act Section 305: Officer And Director Bars And

Penalties; Equitable Relief, will be used by the SEC to

counterattack arguments arising out of the Central Bank

case. As I maintained in the American Journal of Trial

Advocacy, the real significance of the Supreme Court

decision in Central Bank was that the remedial sanctions

of the federal securities laws should be narrowly

construed.

Well, now the SEC has a Congressional mandate. Federal

courts are authorized to "grant any equitable relief that

may be appropriate or necessary for the benefit of

investors". That is an incredibly broad delegation of

rights, and is an end run around Central Bank. I was

surprised that this received no publicity.

Lastly, Act Section 402, Prohibition on Personal Loans

to Executives, shows how low this generation of US

leadership has sunk. President Bush has signed a law that

makes illegal the type of loans from which he and his

extended family have previously benefited.

Tacitly, the Act admits that some practices of Enron were

not illegal inter se. Act Section 401, Study and Report on

Special Purpose Entities, provides that the SEC should

study off-balance sheet disclosures to determine their

extent and whether they are reported in a sufficiently

transparent fashion. The answer will almost certainly be

no, and the Board will change GAAP accordingly.

Q. Does the SEC collaborate with other financial

regulators and law enforcement agencies internationally?

Does it share information with other US law enforcement

agencies? Is there interagency rivalry and does it hamper

investigations? Can you give us an example?

A. The SEC and other regulators - as well as two House

subcommittees - have only very recently begun

considering information sharing between financial

regulators.

This comes too late for the victims of Martin Frankel,

who, having been barred for life from the securities

industry by the SEC and NASD in 1992, simply moved

over to the insurance industry to perpetrate a scam where

investors have lost an estimated $200 million dollars.

Had the state insurance regulators known this person's

background, he would have been unable to set up multiple

insurance companies. Failure to share information is a

genuine problem, but "turf" considerations generally

trump any joint efforts.

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