29. “Well,” replied Menexenus, “as it seems on first hearing.”

“Shall we say, then, that the contrary is most friendly to the

contrary?”

“Certainly.”

“Be it so,” said I, “but is it not monstrous, Menexenus, and will not

those perfectly wise men, the disputants, immediately spring upon us

exultingly, and ask, if friendship is not most contrary to enmity? What

answer shall we give them? Must we not of necessity admit that they say

truly?”

“Of necessity.”

“‘Well then,’ they will ask, ‘is an enemy a friend to a friend, or is a

friend a friend to an enemy?’”.

“Neither the one nor the other,” he replied.

“But is the just a friend to the unjust, or the temperate to the

intemperate, or the good to the bad?”

“I does not appear to me to be so.”

“However,” said I, “if one thing is a friend to another by reason of

contrariety, these things must also of necessity be friendly?”

“Of necessity.”

“Neither, therefore, is the like friendly to the like, nor the contrary

to the contrary?”

“It appears not.”

“Further, let us consider this, whether it still more escapes our

observation, that a friend is in reality none of these, but that what is

neither good nor evil may sometimes become the friend of the good.”

“How mean you?” said he.

“By Jupiter,” said I, “I don’t know; for I am in reality myself dizzy

with the perplexity of the argument. It appears, however, according to

the ancient proverb, that the beautiful is friendly. 30. It certainly

resembles something soft, smooth, and plump; on which account perhaps it

slips away from us and escapes us, because it is a thing of this kind.

For I say that the good is beautiful: do you not think so?”

“I do.”

“I say, therefore, prophetically, that that which is neither good nor

evil is friendly to the beautiful and the good. But hear why I thus

prophesy. There appear to me to be as it were three several classes, one

good, a second evil, a third neither good nor evil. What think you?”

“It seems so to me also,” said he.

“Now that the good is friendly to the good, or the evil to the evil, or

the good to the evil, our former argument does not allow us to say. It

remains therefore, if any thing is friendly to any thing, that that

which is neither good nor evil, must be friendly either to the good, or

to that which is such as itself; for nothing surely can become friendly

to the evil.”

“True.”

“Neither is like friendly to like, we just now said; did we not?”

“Yes.”

“Therefore to that which is neither good nor evil, that which resembles

it will not be friendly?”

“It appears not.”

“The result then is, that that which is neither good nor evil alone

becomes friendly to the good alone?”

“Necessarily so, as it seems.”

31. “Well then, my boys,” said I, “does what is now said lead us in the

right direction? Surely if we will consider, a healthy body has no need

of the medicinal art, or of any assistance; for it is sufficient for

itself; so that no healthy person is a friend to a physician on account

of health; is it not so?”

“No one.”

“But the sick man I think is, on account of disease?”

“How not?”

“But disease is an evil, and the medicinal art beneficial and good.”

“Yes.”

“But a body surely, so far as it is body, is neither good nor evil.”

“Just so.”

“But a body is compelled, on account of disease, to embrace and love the

medicinal art.”

“It seems so to me.”

“That, therefore, which is neither evil nor good, becomes friendly to

the good, on account of the presence of evil.”

“So it seems.”

“But it is evident that it becomes so, prior to its becoming evil

through the evil which it contains; for when it has once become evil, it

will no longer desire the good, and be friendly to it: for we have said

that it is impossible for the evil to be friendly to the good.”

“It is impossible.”

“Consider, then, what I say. For I say that some things are themselves

such as that which is present with them, and some not. Thus, if any one

wishes to dye any thing with any colour, the colour that is dyed in is

surely present in the thing that is dyed.”

“Certainly.”

32. “Is then, that which is dyed, afterwards, the same as to colour, as

that which is on it?”

“I don’t understand you,” he replied.

“But thus,” said I, “If any one should dye your hairs, which are yellow,

with white lead, would they then be white, or appear so?”

“They would appear so,” he replied.

“Though whiteness would be present with them.”

“Yes.”

“And yet your hairs would not be at all the more white, but though

whiteness is present, they are neither white nor black.”

“True.”

“But when, my friend, old age has brought this colour on them, then they

become such as that which is present with them, white by the presence of

white.”

“How can it be otherwise?”

“This then I now ask, if a thing be present in any thing, will that

which contains it be such as that which is present with it, or if it be

present after a certain manner, will it be such, but otherwise not?”

“Thus, rather,” he replied.

“That then which is neither evil nor good, sometimes when evil is

present, is not yet evil, but sometimes it has already become such.”

“Certainly.”

“When, therefore, it is not yet evil, though evil be present, this very

presence of evil makes it desirous of good, but this presence which

makes it evil, deprives it at the same time of the desire and friendship

for the good. 33. For it is now no longer neither evil nor good, but

evil; evil however we saw, is not friendly to good.”

“It is not.”

“On this account we must say, that those who are already wise no longer

love wisdom, whether they are gods or men; nor again do they love wisdom

who have so much ignorance, as to be evil: for no evil and foolish

person loves wisdom. They therefore are left, who possess indeed this

evil, ignorance, but are not yet thereby stupid or foolish, but still

think that they do not know the things that they do not know. Wherefore

they who are not yet either good or evil are lovers of wisdom; but such

as are evil do not love wisdom, nor do the good: for we have seen in a

former part of our discussion, that neither is the contrary friendly to

the contrary, nor the like to the like: do you not remember this?”

“Certainly,” they both replied.

“Now then,” said I, “Lysis and Menexenus, we have certainly discovered

what it is that is friendly and what not. For we say, that with respect

to the soul, and with respect to the body, and every thing else, that

which is neither evil nor good, is friendly to the good on account of

the presence of evil.”

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