111. _Phæ._ You speak most truly.

_Socr._ For my part, Phædrus, I am not only myself a lover of these

divisions and generalisations, in order that I may be able both to speak

and think; but if I perceive any one else able to comprehend the one and

the many, as they are in nature, him “I follow behind as in the

footsteps of a god[132].” But whether I designate those who are able to

do this, rightly or not, God knows, however I have hitherto called them

dialecticians. But now, tell me by what name ought we to call those who

take lessons from you and Lysias? is this that art of speaking, by the

use of which Thrasymachus and others have become able speakers

themselves, and make others so who are willing to bring presents to

them, as to kings?

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Footnote 132:

See Homer’s Odyssey, v. 193.

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_Phæ._ They are indeed royal men, yet not skilled in the particulars

about which you enquire. However you appear to me to call this method

rightly, in calling it dialectical; but the rhetorical appears to me

still to escape us.

112. _Socr._ How say you? A fine thing indeed that must be, which is

destitute of this and yet can be apprehended by art. It must on no

account be neglected by you and me; but we must consider what is the

remaining part of rhetoric.

_Phæ._ There are indeed very many things, Socrates, which you will find

in the books written on the art of speaking.

_Socr._ You have reminded me very opportunely. The exordium, I think,

must first be spoken at the beginning of the speech. You mean these, do

you not? the refinements of the art?

_Phæ._ Yes.

_Socr._ And secondly a kind of narration, and evidence to support it;

thirdly, proofs; fourthly, probabilities; and I think that a famous

Byzantian tricker-out of speeches mentions confirmation and

after-confirmation.

_Phæ._ Do you mean the excellent Theodorus?

_Socr._ I do. He says, too, that refutation and after-refutation must be

employed both in accusation and defence. And must we not adduce the most

illustrious Parian, Evenus, who first discovered subordinate intimations

and bye-praises? and some say that he put into metre bye-censures, to

assist the memory: for he is a wise man. 113. But shall we suffer Tisias

and Gorgias to sleep, who found out that probabilities were more to be

valued than truths, and who by force of words make small things appear

great, and great things small, and new things old, and the contrary new,

and who discovered a concise method of speaking and an infinite

prolixity on all subjects? When Prodicus once heard me tell this, he

laughed, and said that he alone had discovered what speeches are

required by art; that we require them neither long nor short, but of a

moderate length.

_Phæ._ Most wisely, Prodicus.

_Socr._ But do we not mention Hippias? for I think our Elean friend was

of the same opinion with him.

_Phæ._ Why not?

114. _Socr._ But how shall we describe Polus’s new-fangled method of

speaking, as his reduplication of words, his sentences, his similitudes,

and the words which Licymnius made him a present of, in order to produce

a graceful diction.

_Phæ._ But was not the system of Protagoras, Socrates, something of this

kind?

_Socr._ His was a correctness of diction, my boy, and many other fine

things besides, but in the art of dragging in speeches to excite

commiseration for old age and poverty, the Chalcedonian hero appears to

me to have carried off the palm. He was moreover a powerful man to rouse

the anger of the multitude, and again, when enraged, to soothe them by

enchantment, as he used to say; he was most skilful in raising and

removing calumnies, on any ground whatever. But all seem to agree in the

same opinion with respect to the conclusion of speeches, to which some

have given the name of recapitulation, others a different name.

_Phæ._ You mean the summarily reminding the hearers, at the conclusion,

of the several things that have been said.

115. _Socr._ I mean that, and now consider if you have any thing else to

say about the art of speaking.

_Phæ._ Only some trifling things, and not worth mentioning.

_Socr._ Let us pass over trifles; and rather examine these things in the

clear light, and see what influence they have in art, and on what

occasion.

_Phæ._ A very powerful influence, Socrates, at least in assemblies of

the people.

_Socr._ They have indeed. But, my admirable friend, do you also observe

whether their web does not appear to you to be very wide as it does to

me.

_Phæ._ Explain what you mean.

_Socr._ Tell me then: If any one should go to your friend Eryximachus,

or his father Acumenus, and should say, “I know how to apply such things

to the body, as will make it warm or cold, as I please, and if I think

proper, I can produce vomitings, and again purgings, and many other

things of the kind, and as I know these things I consider myself a

physician, and that I can make any one else so, to whom I impart the

knowledge of these particulars:” what do you think they would say on

hearing this?

_Phæ._ What else, but ask him if he knew besides to what persons, and

when, and how far, he ought to do each of these things?

116. _Socr._ If then, he should say, “Not in the least; but I expect

that he who should learn these things from me, would be able to do what

you ask?”

_Phæ._ He would say, I think, that the man is mad; and that, having

heard from some book or other, or having met with certain drugs, he

fancies that he has become a physician, though he knows nothing at all

about the art.

_Socr._ But what if any one were to go to Sophocles and Euripides, and

tell them, that he knew how to make very long speeches on a trifling

subject, and very short ones on a great subject, and whenever he

pleased, piteous and contrariwise, terrible and threatening speeches,

and other things of the kind, and that by teaching these he thought he

could impart the power of writing tragedy?

117. _Phæ._ They too, I think, Socrates, would laugh, if any one should

suppose that tragedy was any thing else than the composition of all

these, so disposed as to be consistent with each other and the whole.

_Socr._ But, I think, they would not upbraid him rudely, but as a

musician, who happened to meet with a man who believes himself to be

skilled in harmony, because he knows how to make the highest and lowest

note, would not harshly say to him, “Miserable fellow, you are stark

mad;” but, being a musician, he would speak more mildly; “My excellent

man, it is indeed necessary for one who means to be skilled in harmony,

to know these things, but at the same time there is nothing to hinder a

person from possessing the knowledge you have without his understanding

harmony in the least; for you know what is necessary to be learnt before

harmony, but not harmony itself.”

_Phæ._ Most correctly.

118. _Socr._ In like manner, Sophocles might reply to the person who

displayed his learning to them, that he knew the things before tragedy,

but not tragedy itself; and Acumenus, that the medical pretender knew

things before medicine, but not medicine itself.

_Phæ._ Most assuredly.

_Socr._ But what must we think the sweet-voiced Adrastus, or even

Pericles would do, if they were to hear of the beautiful contrivances

which we have just now enumerated, the short sentences and similitudes,

and all the rest, which when we went through them, we said must be

examined by the clear light, whether they, as you and I did, would

rudely make some ill-mannered remark against those who had written and

who teach such things as if they constituted the art of rhetoric, or, as

being wiser than we are, would they not reprove us, saying, 119.

“Phædrus and Socrates, you ought not to be angry with, but rather to

excuse those who, through being ignorant of dialectics, are unable to

define what rhetoric is, and who, in consequence of this ignorance,

possessing the things necessary to be learnt preparatory to the art,

think that they have discovered rhetoric itself, and, suppose that by

teaching these things to others, they can teach them rhetoric in

perfection; but how each of them is to be used persuasively, and the

whole combined together, this, as being of no consequence in the world,

they think their pupils ought to acquire for themselves in composing

their speeches.”

_Phæ._ Such indeed, Socrates, appears to be the case with the art which

these men teach and write about as rhetoric; and you seem to me to have

spoken the truth: but how and from whence can one acquire the art of

true rhetoric and persuasion?

120. _Socr._ The ability, Phædrus, to become a perfect proficient,

probably, or rather necessarily, depends on the same things as in other

cases: for, if you naturally possess rhetorical abilities, you will be a

distinguished orator by adding science and practice; but in whichever of

these you are deficient, in that respect you will be imperfect. But so

far as it is an art, its method, I think, will not be found in the way

that Lysias and Thrasymachus are proceeding.

_Phæ._ In what way then?

_Socr._ Pericles, my excellent friend, appears, with good reason, to

have been the most perfect of all men in rhetoric.

_Phæ._ How so?

_Socr._ All the great arts require a subtle and speculative research

into the law of nature: for that loftiness of thought and perfect

mastery over every subject seems to be derived from some such source as

this; which Pericles possessed in addition to a great natural genius.

For meeting, I think, with Anaxagoras, who was a person of this kind,

and being filled with speculative research, and having arrived at the

nature of intelligence and want of intelligence, about which Anaxagoras

made that long discourse, he drew from thence to the art of speaking

whatever could contribute to its advantage.

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