93. _Phæ._ You are right.

_Socr._ Let us then consider it as follows.

_Phæ._ How?

_Socr._ Suppose I should persuade you to purchase a horse for the

purpose of repelling enemies, but both of us should be ignorant what a

horse is, suppose, however, I did happen to know this much, that Phædrus

believes a horse to be that tame animal which has the longest ears.

_Phæ._ That would be ridiculous indeed, Socrates.

_Socr._ Wait a moment: if I should earnestly persuade you, by composing

a speech in praise of the ass, calling him a horse, and asserting that

it is well worth while to purchase this beast both for domestic purposes

and for military service, that he is useful to fight from, and able to

carry baggage, and serviceable in many other respects.

_Phæ._ This, now, would be perfectly ridiculous.

_Socr._ But is it not better that a friend should be ridiculous, than

dangerous and mischievous?

_Phæ._ Clearly so.

94. _Socr._ When an orator, therefore, who is ignorant of good and evil,

having found a city that is likewise so, endeavours to persuade it, not

by celebrating the praises of an ass’s shadow[129], as if it were a

horse, but of evil, as if it were good, and having studied the opinions

of the multitude should persuade them to do evil instead of good, what

kind of fruit do you suppose rhetoric will afterwards reap from such a

sowing?

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Footnote 129:

A proverb meaning “a thing of no value.” See Suidas ὄνου σκιά.

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_Phæ._ By no means a good one.

_Socr._ But have we not, my good friend, reviled the art of speaking

more roughly than is proper? for she may, perhaps, say: “Why, sirs, do

you talk so foolishly? For I compel no one who is ignorant of the truth

to learn how to speak: but if my advice is worth any thing, when he has

acquired that, he then has recourse to me. This, then, I insist on, that

without me one who knows the truth will not for all that be able to

persuade by art.”

_Phæ._ Will she not speak justly, in asserting this?

95. _Socr._ I admit it, at least if the arguments that assail her

testify that she is an art. For I think I have heard some arguments

coming up and insisting that she lies and is not an art, but an

inartistic trick. But a genuine art of speaking, says the Spartan,

without laying hold of truth, neither exists, nor ever can exist

hereafter.

_Phæ._ We must have these arguments, Socrates; so bring them forward and

examine what they say, and in what manner.

_Socr._ Come hither then, ye noble creatures, and persuade Phædrus with

the beautiful children, that, unless he has sufficiently studied

philosophy, he will never be competent to speak on any subject whatever.

Let Phædrus answer then.

_Phæ._ Put your questions.

_Socr._ Must not then rhetoric in general be an art that leads the soul

by means of argument, not only in courts of justice, and other public

assemblies, but also in private, equally with respect to trivial and

important matters? and is its right use at all more valued when employed

about grave than about trifling things? What have you heard said about

this?

96. _Phæ._ By Jupiter, nothing at all of this kind; but it is for the

most part spoken and written according to art in judicial trials, and it

is spoken also in popular assemblies; but I have never heard any thing

further.

_Socr._ What, have you heard only of the rhetorical arts of Nestor and

Ulysses, which they composed during their leisure in Ilium, and have you

never heard of those by Palamedes?

_Phæ._ And, by Jupiter, I have not even heard of those by Nestor, unless

you make Gorgias a Nestor, or Thrasymachus and Theodorus a Ulysses.

_Socr._ Perhaps I do. But let us pass over these; do you say however; in

courts of justice what do adversaries do? do they not contradict each

other? or what shall we say?

_Phæ._ That very thing.

_Socr._ And respecting the just and unjust?

_Phæ._ Yes.

_Socr._ Will not he, then, who accomplishes this by art, make the same

thing appear to the same persons, at one time just, and, when he

pleases, unjust?

_Phæ._ How not?

_Socr._ And in a popular assembly the same things seem to the state at

one time good, and at another the contrary?

_Phæ._ Just so.

97. _Socr._ And do we not know that the Eleatic Palamedes[130] spoke by

art in such a manner that the same things appeared to his hearers

similar and dissimilar, one and many, at rest and in motion?

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Footnote 130:

By Palamedes, as the Scholiast observes, he means Zeno of Elea, the

friend of Parmenides.

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_Phæ._ Assuredly.

_Socr._ The art, then, of arguing on both sides has not only to do with

courts of justice and popular assemblies, but as it seems, it must be

one and the same art, if it is an art, with respect to all subjects of

discourse, by which a man is able to make all things appear similar to

each other so far as they are capable of being made appear so, and to

drag them to light, when another attempts to make them appear similar

and conceals his attempt.

_Phæ._ What mean you by this?

_Socr._ I think it will be evident if we enquire as follows: Does

deception more frequently occur in things that differ much or little?

_Phæ._ In things that differ little.

_Socr._ But by changing your position gradually, you will more easily

escape detection in going to the opposite side, than by doing so

rapidly.

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