6. _Phæ._ Do you see that lofty plane-tree?

_Socr._ How should I not.

_Phæ._ There, there is both shade and a gentle breeze, and grass to sit

down upon, or, if we prefer it, to lie down on.

_Socr._ Lead on, then.

_Phæ._ But tell me, Socrates, is not Boreas reported to have carried off

Orithya from somewhere about this part of the Ilissus?

_Socr._ So it is said.

_Phæ._ Must it not have been from this spot? for the water hereabouts

appears beautiful, clear and transparent, and well suited for damsels to

sport about.

_Socr._ No, but lower down, as much as two or three stadia, where we

cross over to the temple of the Huntress, and where there is, on the

very spot, a kind of altar sacred to Boreas.

_Phæ._ I never noticed it. But tell me, by Jupiter, Socrates, do you

believe that this fabulous account is true?

7. _Socr._ If I disbelieved it, as the wise do, I should not be guilty

of any absurdity: then having recourse to subtleties, I should say that

a blast of Boreas threw her down from the neighbouring cliffs, as she

was sporting with Pharmacea, and that having thus met her death she was

said to have been carried off by Boreas, or from Mars’ hill; for there

is also another report that she was carried off from thence and not from

this spot. But I, for my part, Phædrus, consider such things as pretty

enough, but as the province of a very curious, painstaking, and not very

happy man, and for no other reason than this, that after this he must

set us right as to the form of the Hippocentaurs, and then as to that of

the Chimæra; besides there pours in upon him a crowd of similar

monsters, Gorgons and Pegasuses, and other monstrous creatures,

incredible in number and absurdity, which if any one were to disbelieve

and endeavour to reconcile each with probability, employing for this

purpose a kind of vulgar cleverness, he will stand in need of abundant

leisure. 8. But I have not leisure at all for such matters; and the

cause of it, my friend, is this; I am not yet able, according to the

Delphic precept, to know myself. But it appears to me to be ridiculous,

while I am still ignorant of this to busy myself about matters that do

not concern me. Wherefore dismissing these matters, and receiving the

popular opinion respecting them, as I just now said, I do not enquire

about them, but about myself, whether I happen to be a beast, with more

folds and more furious than Typhon, or whether I am a more mild and

simple animal, naturally partaking of a certain divine and modest

condition. But, my friend, to interrupt our conversation, is not this

the tree to which you were leading me?

_Phæ._ This is the very one.

9. _Socr._ By Juno, a beautiful retreat. For this plane-tree is very

wide-spreading and lofty, and the height and shadiness of this agnus

castus are very beautiful, and as it is now at the perfection of its

flowering, it makes the spot as fragrant as possible. Moreover, a most

agreeable fountain flows under the plane-tree, of very cold water, to

judge from its effect on the foot. It appears from these images and

statues to be sacred to certain nymphs, and to Achelous. Observe again

the freshness of the spot how charming and very delightful it is, and

how summer-like and shrill it sounds from the choir of grasshoppers. But

the most delightful of all is the grass, which with its gentle slope is

naturally adapted to give an easy support to the head, as one reclines.

So that, my dear Phædrus, you make an admirable stranger’s guide.

10. _Phæ._ And you, my wonderful friend, appear to be a most surprising

being: for as you say, you are just like a stranger who is being shewn

the sights, and not a native of the place. This comes from your never

quitting the city, or going beyond the boundaries, nor do you seem to me

ever to go outside the walls.

_Socr._ Pardon me, my excellent friend; for I am a lover of learning:

now the fields and trees will not teach me any thing, but men in the

city do. You, however, appear to me to have discovered a charm to entice

me out. For as those, who, by shaking leaves or some fruit before them,

lead their hungry flocks, so do you, by holding out written speeches

before me, seem as if you could lead me about all Attica, and wherever

else you please. But now, for the present, since I am come here, I am

resolved to lay me down, and do you in whatever posture you think you

can read most conveniently, take this and read.

_Phæ._ Listen then. 11. “You are well acquainted with the state of my

affairs, and I think you have heard that it would be for our advantage

if this took place. And I claim, not for this reason to fail in my

request, because I do not happen to be one of your lovers: for they

repent of the benefits they have conferred, as soon as their desires

cease; but the others have no time at which it is convenient for them to

repent; since not from necessity, but voluntarily, they confer benefits

according to their ability, so as but to consult their own interests.

Besides, lovers consider what of their affairs they have managed badly

by reason of their love, and what benefits they have conferred, and

adding thereto what labour they have undergone, they think that they

have long since conferred sufficient favours on the objects of their

love. But those who do not love have no pretence to make of the neglect

of their own affairs on this score, nor can they take into account the

labours they have undergone, nor make differences with their friends a

pretext: so that, all such evils being removed, nothing remains for them

but to do cheerfully whatever they think they will gratify them by

doing. 12. Besides, if for this reason it is right to make much of those

who love, because they say they are most devotedly attached to those

whom they love, and are always ready, both in words and deeds, to incur

the enmity of others, so that they can but gratify the objects of their

love, it is easy to discover whether they speak the truth, because those

whom they afterwards fall in love with they will prize more highly than

the former, and it is evident that if the latter require it, they will

behave ill to the former. And how is it reasonable to lavish such a

treasure[117] on one afflicted with such a calamity, as no experienced

person would ever attempt to avert? for they themselves confess that

they are rather diseased than in their right minds, and that they know

that they are out of their senses, but are unable to control themselves.

How therefore, when they recover their senses, can they think that those

things were right about which they were so anxious when in that state of

mind? 13. Moreover, if you should choose the best from among your

lovers, your choice must be made from a few; but if from among all

others the one most suited to you, from many: so that there is much more

hope that among the many there is one worthy of your affection. If,

therefore, you respect the established usages of mankind, and are afraid

lest, when men discover it, it should be a disgrace to you, it is

probable that lovers, thinking that they are envied by others in the

same way that they envy each other, should be so elated as to talk, and,

out of ambition, publish to the world that they have not bestowed their

labour in vain; but that such as are not in love, having a control over

themselves, should prefer what is best to celebrity amongst men. 14.

Besides, it must needs happen that many should hear of and see lovers

following the objects of their affection, and doing this sedulously, so

that when they are seen conversing with one another men think that they

are together on account of desire already indulged or about to be so:

but they do not attempt to blame those who do not love, on account of

their familiarity, being aware that it is necessary to converse with

some one, either on account of friendship or some other pleasure. 15.

Moreover, if you have experienced uneasiness from the consideration that

it is difficult for friendship to last, but that when a difference takes

place under other circumstances a common calamity happens to both; but

that when you have lavished what you prize most highly great injury

would befal you, you would with good reason be more afraid of those who

love. For there are many things that grieve them, and they think that

every thing is done to their detriment. Wherefore they prohibit the

objects of their love from associating with others, fearing those who

possess wealth, lest they should get the better of them by means of

their riches, and the well-educated, lest they should surpass them in

intelligence; and they are apprehensive of the influence of every one

who possesses any other advantage. By persuading you, then, to keep

aloof from such as these, they cause you to be destitute of friends. If,

therefore, regarding your own interest, you pursue a wiser course than

they recommend, you are sure to quarrel with them. 16. But such as are

not in love, but have obtained the accomplishment of their wishes

through merit, will not envy your associating with others, but will

rather hate those who will not associate with you, thinking that you are

despised by them, and are benefited by those who associate with you. So

that there is much more reason to hope that friendship will be produced

between these by this means, than enmity. Moreover, most lovers conceive

a desire for the person before they know their habits or are acquainted

with their own qualities, so that it is uncertain whether they will

still wish to be their friends when their desire has ceased; but with

those who are not in love, and who have done this, having been friends

with each other before, it is not probable that acts of kindness will

make their friendship less, but that they will be left as monuments of

future services. 17. Besides, it will tend to your improvement if you

are persuaded by me rather than by a lover. For they, contrary to your

best interests, praise all that you say and do, partly fearing lest they

should offend you, partly being themselves depraved in their judgment,

through desire, for love shews itself in such things: it makes the

unsuccessful consider as distressing things which occasion no pain to

others, and compels the successful to praise things which are not worthy

the name of pleasures; so that it is much more proper to pity than envy

those that are loved. 18. But if you will be persuaded by me, first of

all I will associate with you, not attending to present pleasure, but

future advantage, not overcome by love, but controlling myself, not

conceiving violent enmities for trifling offences, but slowly indulging

slight anger for great offences, pardoning involuntary faults, and

endeavouring to divert you from such as are voluntary; for these are the

marks of a friendship that will endure for along time. If, however, it

has occurred to you that it is not possible for affection to be strong

unless one is in love, you should consider that in that case we should

not be very fond of our children or our fathers and mothers, nor acquire

faithful friends, who have become such not from desire of this kind, but

from other useful qualities. 19. Moreover, if it is right to gratify

those most who most need it, it is right also with respect to others to

benefit, not the best men, but the most needy; for, being delivered from

the greatest evils, they will feel the deepest gratitude towards us. And

besides this, in private entertainments it will not be proper to invite

our friends, but mendicants and those who are in need of a hearty meal;

for these will greet and follow us, and will come to our doors, and be

highly delighted, and feel the utmost gratitude, and pray for many

blessings upon us. 20. But surely it is right to gratify those not who

are exceedingly needy, but who are best able to repay a kindness, nor

those who love only, but those who deserve this favour; nor such as will

enjoy the bloom of your youth, but who, when you are old, will share

their own fortune with you; nor those who, when they have effected their

object, will boast of it to others, but who, out of modesty, will be

silent towards all men; nor those who are devoted to you for a short

time, but who will be greatly attached to you throughout life; nor who,

when their desire has ceased, will seek a pretext for quarrelling, but

who, when your bloom is gone, will then exhibit their own excellence.

21. Do you, then, remember what I have said, and consider this, that

friends admonish lovers that their course of life is a bad one, but no

one ever yet found fault with those who are not in love, as if, on that

account, they consulted ill for their own interests. Perhaps, however,

you may ask me whether I advise you to gratify all who are not in love.

But I think that not even a lover would exhort you to be thus affected

towards all your lovers: for neither if one considers the matter

reasonably is such a course deserving of equal gratitude, nor if you

wished it, is it equally possible to keep it secret from others; but it

is requisite that no harm should result from the business; on the

contrary, advantage to both. I, for my part, think that enough has been

said, but if you require any thing more, under the impression that it

has been omitted, question me.”

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Footnote 117:

Youth.

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22. What do you think of the speech, Socrates? Does it not appear to you

to be wonderfully composed in other respects, and especially as to the

language?

_Socr._ Divinely indeed, my friend, so much so that I am amazed. And I

had this feeling through you, Phædrus, by looking at you, for you

appeared to me to be enraptured with the speech while you were reading

it. For supposing you to understand such matters better than I do, I

followed you, and, in following you, I felt the same enthusiasm with

you, my inspired friend.

_Phæ._ Well; do you think proper to jest in this manner?

_Socr._ Do I appear to you to jest, and not to be in earnest?

_Phæ._ Don’t, Socrates! But tell me truly, by Jupiter the god of

friendship, do you think that any other man in Greece could speak more

ably and fully than this on the same subject?

23. _Socr._ But what? ought the speech to be praised by you and me for

this reason, that its composer has said what he ought, and not only

because every word is clear, and rounded, and accurately polished off?

For, if it ought, it may be granted for your sake, since it escaped me

by reason of my nothingness: for I attended only to its rhetoric, but

this I did not think that even Lysias himself would think sufficient.

And to me, indeed, it seemed, Phædrus, unless you say otherwise, that he

has repeated the same things twice and thrice, as if he had not the

faculty of saying much on the same subject, or perhaps he did not care

about this. Moreover he appeared to me to make a wanton display of his

ability to express these things in different ways, and both ways most

elegantly.

24. _Phæ._ You say nothing to the purpose, Socrates: for the speech has

this very merit in the highest degree. For he has omitted nothing

belonging to his subject, which was worthy to be mentioned: so that,

beyond what has been said by him, no one could ever say more things or

of greater weight.

_Socr._ On this point I am no longer able to agree with you; for the

ancient and wise, both men and women, who have spoken and written on

this subject, would confute me, if I were to admit this out of

compliment to you.

_Phæ._ Who are they? and where have you heard better things than these?

_Socr._ I am unable to say on the moment; but I am sure that I have

heard them from some one or other, either from the beautiful Sappho, or

the wise Anacreon, or some other writer. Whence do I form this

conjecture? some how or other, my divine friend, my breast is full, and

I feel that I could say other things in addition to those and not

inferior to them. That I understand none of them of myself, I am well

aware, being conscious of my ignorance. It remains then, I think, that I

must have filled myself, like a vessel, by means of hearing, from some

foreign source; but owing to my stupidity I have forgotten even this,

both how and from whom I heard it.

25. _Phæ._ You have told me excellent news, my noble friend. For though

you cannot tell me from whom and how you heard it, even if I bid you,

yet do the very thing that you say; promise that you will say other

things better and not less in quality than those contained in the book,

without making use of any thing in it. And I promise you, after the

manner of the nine Archons, that I will dedicate at Delphi, a golden

statue as large as life, not only of myself, but also of you.

_Socr._ You are very kind, Phædrus, and really worth your weight in

gold, if you suppose I mean that Lysias was entirely wrong, and that it

is possible to say something altogether different from what he has said;

for I do not think that this could happen even to the poorest writer.

26. For instance with respect to the subject in hand; do you think that

any one who was maintaining that favours ought to be shewn to one who is

not in love rather than to one who is, if he neglected to extol the

prudence of the former and to blame the folly of the latter, these being

obvious points, could have any thing else to say? But I think that such

points are to be allowed and granted to a speaker, and that of such

things not the invention but the method of handling is to be praised,

but of things which are obvious, and which are not difficult to

discover, the invention as well as the method of handling.

_Phæ._ I grant what you say; for you appear to me to have spoken fairly.

I will therefore do thus; I will allow you to suppose that one who is in

love is more diseased than one who is not, but for the rest if you say

other things more fully and of greater weight than Lysias, you shall

stand in Olympia, of solid gold, near the offering of the Cypselidæ.

27. _Socr._ You are quite serious, Phædrus, because in teasing you I

have attacked your favourite, and you think that I shall really attempt

to say something more skilfully wrought than his wisdom has produced.

_Phæ._ For that matter, my friend, you have given me as good a hold on

you; for you must speak, at all events, as well as you are able. And

take care that we are not compelled to have recourse to that troublesome

method of comedians, of retorting upon one another, and do not compel me

to say[118], “If I, Socrates! know not Socrates, I have also forgotten

myself,” and, “he longed to speak, but affected shyness.” But make up

your mind that we shall not leave this spot before you have given

utterance to what you said you have in your breast. For we two are by

ourselves, in a lonely place, and I am both stronger and younger; from

all this understand what I mean, and on no account prefer speaking by

compulsion rather than willingly.

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Footnote 118:

See before, § 3 and 4.

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28. _Socr._ But, my excellent Phædrus, it would be ridiculous in me, who

am but a novice in comparison with an experienced author, to attempt to

speak extempore on the same subject.

_Phæ._ Do you know how the case stands? Let me have no more of your

airs; for I have that to say which will force you to speak.

_Socr._ On no account say it then.

_Phæ._ Nay, but I will say it. And what I have to say is an oath. For I

swear to you, by whom, by what god? shall it be by this plane-tree? that

unless you make a speech to me before this very tree, I will never again

either shew or repeat to you another speech by any one whomsoever.

_Socr._ Ah, wicked one! how well have you found out how to compel a

lover of speeches to do whatever you bid him.

_Phæ._ Why then do you hesitate?

_Socr._ I shall not any longer, since you have sworn this oath. For how

should I ever be able to debar myself of such a feast?

_Phæ._ Begin then.

_Socr._ Do you know then, what I mean to do?

_Phæ._ About what?

_Socr._ I shall speak with my face covered, that I may run through my

speech as quickly as possible, and that I may not, by looking at you, be

put out through shame.

_Phæ._ Do but speak; and as to the rest, do as you please.

29. _Socr._ Come then, ye Muses, whether from the character of your

song, ye are called tuneful[119], or whether ye derive this appellation

from the musical race of the Ligyans, assist me in the tale which this

best of men compels me to relate, that so his friend, who heretofore

appeared to him to be wise, may now appear still more so.

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Footnote 119:

There is here a play on the words λίγειαι “tuneful,” and Λιγύων

“Ligyans,” which cannot be retained in an English version.

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There was once a boy, or rather a youth, of exceeding beauty; and he had

very many lovers. One of them was a cunning fellow; who though he was no

less in love than the rest, persuaded the boy that he was not in love.

And once, as he was courting him, he endeavoured to persuade him that

favour ought to be shewn to one who was not in love, in preference to

one who was. And he spoke as follows.

On every subject, my boy, there is one method of beginning, for those

who mean to deliberate well; they must know what the thing is about

which the deliberation is to be, or else of necessity go altogether

astray. But it has escaped the notice of most men that they do not know

the essence of each several thing. As if they did know, then, they do

not agree with each other at the outset of the enquiry, and as they

proceed they pay the probable penalty, for they agree neither with

themselves nor with each other. Let not you and I, then, fall into the

error which we condemn in others, but since the question proposed to us

is, whether we ought rather to enter into a friendship with one who is

in love or not, having by mutual agreement settled on a definition of

love, what it is, and what power it has, and looking back and referring

to this, let us prosecute our enquiry whether it occasions advantage or

detriment. 30. That love, then, is a kind of desire, is clear to every

one; and we know that they who are not in love, desire beautiful things.

How then shall we distinguish a lover from one who is not in love? Here

it is necessary to observe, that in each of us there are two ruling and

leading principles, which we follow wherever they lead, one being an

innate desire of pleasures, the other an acquired opinion, which aims at

what is most excellent. These sometimes agree in us, and sometimes are

at variance; and sometimes one gets the upper hand, at other times the

other. When opinion therefore with the aid of reason leads to that which

is best, and gets the upper hand, we give the name of temperance to this

power; but when desire drags us irrationally to pleasures and rules

within us, this ruling power takes the name of excess. But excess has

many names; for it has many limbs and many forms. 31. And of these

principles whichever happens to get the predominance gives its own

designation to the person who possesses it, and that neither honourable

nor worth acquiring. For instance with respect to food, desire that gets

the better of the highest reason, and of the other desires, will be

called gluttony, and will cause the person who possesses it to be called

by the same name; again with respect to drinking, when it has usurped

dominion, by leading its possessor in this direction, it is clear what

designation it will acquire: and with respect to other things akin to

these, and the names of kindred desires, it is manifest how they ought

to be called, according as each for the time being happens to be

dominant. Why all this has been said is already pretty evident, but

every thing becomes in a manner more clear by being mentioned than if

not mentioned. 32. For desire without reason having got the upper hand

of opinion that tends to what is right, and being driven towards the

pleasure derived from beauty, and being strongly impelled by its kindred

desires to corporeal beauty, receives its name from this very strength

and is called love[120]. But, my dear Phædrus, do I appear to you, as I

do to myself, to be moved by some divine influence?

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Footnote 120:

I have followed Stallbaum in omitting the words ἐῤῥωμένως and

νικήσασα, but still fear that I have failed to convey the full meaning

of this difficult and corrupt passage.

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_Phæ._ Assuredly, Socrates, an unusual fluency has got possession of

you.

_Socr._ Listen to me then in silence. For in truth the place appears to

be divine. If, therefore, in the progress of my speech I should be

frequently entranced by the genius of the spot, you must not be

surprized. For what I utter now is not very far removed from

dithyrambics.

_Phæ._ You say most truly.

33. _Socr._ Of this, however, you are the cause. But hear the rest; for

perhaps the attack of the trance may be averted: though this will be the

care of the deity, but let us again direct our discourse to the boy.

Well then, my excellent boy, what that is, about which we are to

deliberate, has been declared and defined. Keeping this in view, then,

let us proceed to consider what advantage or detriment will probably

accrue from one who is in love and one who is not, to him that shews

favour to them.

He that is ruled by desire and is a slave to pleasure, must necessarily,

I think, endeavour to make the object of his love as agreeable to

himself as possible. But to one diseased every thing is pleasant that

does not oppose his wishes; but that which is superior and equal is

hateful to him. A lover therefore will never willingly allow his

favourite to be either superior to or on an equality with himself, but

is always endeavouring to make him inferior and more deficient. An

ignorant person is inferior to a wise one, a coward to a brave one, one

who is unable to speak to a rhetorician, a dull to a clever one. 34.

Since so many evils, and even more than these, are engendered or

naturally exist in the mind of the beloved object, the lover must of

necessity rejoice at the existence of the one sort and endeavour to

introduce the others, or be deprived of immediate pleasure. He must

therefore needs be envious, and by debarring his favourite from much

other and that profitable society, whence he might become most manly, he

is the occasion of great harm, and of the greatest by debarring him of

that by means of which he would become most wise; and this is divine

philosophy, from which a lover must needs keep his favourite at a

distance, through the fear of being despised; and must so manage every

thing else, that he may be ignorant of every thing, and look to the

lover for every thing, thus being most agreeable to him, but most

detrimental to himself. As concerns the mind, then, a man that is in

love is in no respect a profitable guardian and companion.

But as to the habit and care of the body, what it will be and how he

will attend to it, of which a man has become the lord, who is compelled

to pursue the pleasant in preference to the good, is next to be

considered. 35. He will be seen pursuing some delicate and not hardy

youth, not reared in the open air but under the shade of mingled trees,

a stranger to manly toil, and dry sweats, but no stranger to a delicate

and effeminate mode of life, adorned with foreign colours and ornaments,

through want of such as are natural, and studious of all such other

things as accompany these: what they are, is clear, and it is not worth

while to enter into further detail; but having summed them up under one

head, we will proceed to another part of our subject. Such a body both

in battle and other great emergencies, enemies will look upon with

confidence, but friends and lovers themselves will fear for. This,

however, as sufficiently evident, may be dismissed. 36. In the next

place we must declare what advantage or what detriment, with respect to

our possessions, the society and guardianship of one in love will

occasion. But this indeed is manifest to every one, and especially to a

lover, that he would desire above all things that the object of his love

should be bereft of his dearest, fondest, and holiest treasures: for he

would have him gladly deprived of father and mother, kindred and

friends, thinking that they are an hindrance to, and blamers of the

sweetest intercourse with him. Moreover if he has abundance of gold, or

any other property, he will think that he cannot be so easily caught,

nor when caught easily managed. Wherefore it must of necessity happen

that a lover should grudge his favourite possession of abundance, and

should rejoice at its loss. Further still, a lover will wish his

favourite to continue as long as possible without a wife, without child,

and without home, from a desire to enjoy his own delights for as long a

time as possible. 37. There are, indeed, other evils besides these, but

some deity has mingled present pleasure with most of them: with a

flatterer, for instance, a dreadful beast and great bane, nature has

nevertheless mingled a kind of pleasure that is by no means inelegant.

And some one perhaps may blame a mistress as detrimental, and many other

similar creatures and pursuits, which for the day, however, afford the

greatest enjoyment; but to a favourite, a lover besides being

detrimental, is the most disagreeable of all for daily intercourse. For

the ancient proverb says, that equal delights in equal; I suppose,

because an equality of age leading to equal pleasures produces

friendship by similarity of tastes. But still the intercourse even of

these brings satiety: and moreover, necessity is said to be irksome to

every one in every thing; and this in addition to their dissimilarity is

especially the case with a lover towards his favourite. 38. For an old

man who associates with a young one, does not willingly leave him,

either by day or night, but is driven on by necessity and frenzy, which

leads him on by constantly giving him pleasure, through seeing, hearing,

touching, and by every sense feeling the presence of the beloved object,

so that he would with pleasure cling constantly to him: but by giving

what solace or what pleasures to the object of his love, can he prevent

him during an intercourse of equal duration, from feeling the utmost

disgust, while he sees a face old and no longer in its bloom, with the

other things that accompany it, which are unpleasant even to hear spoken

of, much more so to have actually to do with from an ever-pressing

necessity; when he has too to keep a suspicious watch over himself at

all times and in all company, and has to listen to unreasonable and

extravagant praises, and reproaches as well, which when the lover is

sober are intolerable, and when he is drunk, are not only intolerable

but disgraceful from the loathsome and undisguised freedom of his

language. 39. Thus he that is in love is detrimental and disgusting, but

when he ceases to love, he is thenceforth unfaithful towards him who by

many promises and with many oaths and entreaties he could hardly prevail

on at that time to endure his troublesome familiarity in the hope of

advantage. But now, when payment ought to be made, having received

within himself another ruler and master, reason and prudence, instead of

love and madness, he has become another man unknown to his favourite. He

then demands a return for former favours, reminding him of what was done

and said, as if he was talking to the same person; but the other through

shame, dares neither say that he has become another man, nor is he able

to adhere to the oaths and promises of the former insensate reign, now

that he has got possession of his senses and has become prudent, fearing

lest, by doing the same things as before, he should become like what he

was, and the same thing again. 40. Hence he becomes a runaway, and of

necessity a defrauder, who was before a lover, and the shell being

turned[121], he changes from pursuit to flight; but the other is forced

to pursue him with indignation and curses, having been ignorant from the

very beginning that he ought never to have granted favours to one that

is in love and of necessity out of his senses, but much rather to one

who is not in love, and in his right mind; otherwise he must necessarily

give himself up to one that is unfaithful, morose, envious, disgusting,

detrimental to his property, detrimental to his bodily habit, but far

more detrimental to the cultivation of his soul, than which in truth

there neither is nor ever will be any thing more precious in the sight

of gods and men. It is right, therefore, my boy, to reflect on these

things, and to know that the attachment of a lover is not united with

good will, but like food for the sake of repletion, “as wolves love a

lamb, so lovers love a boy.”

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Footnote 121:

In allusion to a game among children, in which a shell, white on one

side and black on the other, was thrown up into the air, and according

as either side fell uppermost, one set of playmates ran off and the

other pursued, or vice versa.

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This is it, Phædrus; you must not expect to hear me say another word,

but must let my speech end here.

41. _Phæ._ But I thought it was only in the middle, and that it would

say as much about one who is not in love, that he ought rather to be

favoured, mentioning in turn what advantages he has. Why then, Socrates,

do you stop short now?

_Socr._ Did you not observe, my excellent friend, that I was now

uttering epics, and no longer dithyrambics, and this while giving

expression to blame? If then I should begin to praise the other, what do

you think would become of me? Do you not know that I shall be thrown

into an exstacy by the Nymphs, to whom you have purposely exposed me? I

say then, in one word, that whatever vices I have attributed to the one,

to the other the contrary advantages belong. What need then is there for

a long speech? for enough has been said about both. Thus the story will

be treated as it ought to be treated: I will, therefore, cross over the

river and go home, before I am compelled by you to do something more

difficult.

42. _Phæ._ Not yet, Socrates, before the heat has passed away. Do you

not see that it is now nearly high-noon, as it is called? Let us, then,

remain here, and converse together about what has been said, and as soon

as it grows cool, we will go home.

_Socr._ You are a strange man for speeches, Phædrus, and really

wonderful. For I think that of all the speeches made during your

life-time no one has been the occasion of more being made than yourself,

whether by speaking them yourself, or in some way or other compelling

others. I except Simmias of Thebes; but you far surpass all the rest.

And now again you appear to me to be the occasion of another speech

being made.

_Phæ._ You do not announce war indeed. But how and what speech is this?

43. _Socr._ When I was about to cross the river, my good friend, the

divine and wonted signal was given me, (it always deters me from what I

am about to do,) and I seemed to hear a voice from this very spot, which

would not suffer me to depart before I had purified myself, as if I had

committed some offence against the deity. Now I am a prophet, though not

a very good one, but like bad writers, am good enough for my own

purposes. Accordingly, I clearly perceive my offence: for, my friend,

the soul is in some measure prophetic; and mine troubled me some time

since as I was delivering the speech, and some how I was cast down, as

Ibycus says, for fear I should offend the gods, and gain honour from men

in exchange. But now I perceive my offence.

_Phæ._ What do you say it is?

_Socr._ A dreadful, dreadful speech, Phædrus, you both brought here

yourself, and compelled me to utter.

_Phæ._ How so?

_Socr._ Foolish, and in some sort impious: and can any thing be more

dreadful than this?

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