71. “It is evident,” he replied, “how not?”

“Of these, then,” he said, “are not they the most happy, and do they not

go to the best place, who have practised that social and civilized

virtue, which they call temperance and justice, and which is produced

from habit and exercise, without philosophy and reflection?”

“In what respect are these the most happy?”

“Because it is probable that these should again migrate into a

corresponding civilized and peaceable kind of animals, such as bees

perhaps, or wasps, or ants, or even into the same human species again,

and from these become moderate men.”

“It is probable.”

“But it is not lawful for any one, who has not studied philosophy and

departed this life perfectly pure, to pass into the rank of gods, but

only for the true lover of wisdom. And on this account, my friends

Simmias and Cebes, those who philosophize rightly abstain from all

bodily desires, and persevere in doing so, and do not give themselves up

to them, not fearing the loss of property and poverty, as the generality

of men and the lovers of wealth; nor again dreading disgrace and

ignominy like those who are lovers of power and honour, do they then

abstain from them.”

“For it would not become them to do so, Socrates,” says Cebes.

72. “It would not, by Jupiter,” he rejoined. “Wherefore, Cebes, they who

care at all for their soul, and do not spend their lives in the culture

of their bodies, despising all these, proceed not in the same way with

them, as being ignorant whither they are going, but being convinced that

they ought not to act contrary to philosophy, but in accordance with the

freedom and purification she affords, they give themselves up to her

direction, following her wherever she leads.”

“How, Socrates?”

“I will tell you,” he replied. “The lovers of wisdom know, that

philosophy receiving their soul plainly bound and glued to the body, and

compelled to view things through this, as through a prison, and not

directly by herself, and sunk in utter ignorance, and perceiving too the

strength of the prison, that it arises from desire, so that he that is

bound as much as possible assists in binding himself. 73. I say, then,

the lovers of wisdom know that philosophy, receiving their soul in this

state, gently exhorts it, and endeavours to free it, by shewing that the

view of things by means of the eyes is full of deception, as also is

that through the ears and the other senses, persuading an abandonment of

these so far as it is not absolutely necessary to use them, and advising

the soul to be collected and concentrated within itself, and to believe

nothing else but herself, with respect to what she herself understands

of things that have a real subsistence, and to consider nothing true

which she views through the medium of others, and which differ under

different aspects[33]; for that a thing of this kind is sensible and

visible, but that what she herself perceives is intelligible and

invisible. The soul of the true philosopher, therefore, thinking that

she ought not to oppose this deliverance, accordingly abstains as much

as possible from pleasures and desires, griefs and fears, considering

that when any one is exceedingly delighted or alarmed, grieved or

influenced by desire, he does not merely suffer such evil from these

things as one might suppose, such as either being sick or wasting his

property, through indulging his desires; but that which is the greatest

evil, and the worst of all, this he suffers and is not conscious of it.”

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Footnote 33:

By this I understand him to mean that the soul alone can perceive the

truth, but the senses, as they are different, receive and convey

different impressions of the same thing; thus the eye receives one

impression of an object, the ear a totally different one.

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“But what is this evil, Socrates?” said Cebes.

74. “That the soul of every man is compelled to be either vehemently

delighted or grieved about some particular thing, and at the same time

to consider that the thing about which it is thus strongly affected is

most real and most true, though it is not so. But these are chiefly

visible objects; are they not?”

“Certainly.”

“In this state of affection, then, is not the soul especially shackled

by the body?”

“How so?”

“Because each pleasure and pain, having a nail as it were, nails the

soul to the body, and fastens it to it, and causes it to become

corporeal, deeming those things to be true whatever the body asserts to

be so. For, in consequence of its forming the same opinions with the

body, and delighting in the same things, it is compelled, I think, to

possess similar manners, and to be similarly nourished, so that it can

never pass into Hades in a pure state, but must ever depart polluted by

the body, and so quickly falls again into another body, and grows up as

if it were sown, and consequently is deprived of all association with

that which is divine, and pure, and uniform.”

“You speak most truly, Socrates,” said Cebes.

75. “For these reasons, therefore, Cebes, those who are truly lovers of

wisdom are moderate and resolute, and not for the reasons that most

people say. Do you think as they do?”

“Assuredly not.”

“No, truly. But the soul of a philosopher would reason thus, and would

not think that philosophy ought to set it free, and that when it is

freed it should give itself up again to pleasures and pains, to bind it

down again, and make her work void, weaving a kind of Penelope’s web the

reverse way. On the contrary, effecting a calm of the passions, and

following the guidance of reason, and being always intent on this,

contemplating that which is true and divine, and not subject to opinion,

and being nourished by it, it thinks that it ought to live in this

manner as long as it does live, and that when it dies it shall go to a

kindred essence, and one like itself, and shall be freed from human

evils. From such a regimen as this the soul has no occasion to fear,

Simmias and Cebes, while it strictly attends to these things, lest being

torn to pieces at its departure from the body it should be blown about

and dissipated by the winds, and no longer have an existence any where.”

76. When Socrates had thus spoken, a long silence ensued; and Socrates

himself was pondering upon what had been said, as he appeared, and so

did most of us: but Cebes and Simmias were conversing a little while

with each other. At length Socrates perceiving them, said, “What think

you of what has been said? does it appear to you to have been proved

sufficiently? for many doubts and objections still remain if any one

will examine them thoroughly. If, then, you are considering some other

subject, I have nothing to say; but if you are doubting about this, do

not hesitate both yourselves to speak and express your opinion, if it

appears to you in any respect that it might have been argued better, and

to call me in again to your assistance, if you think you can be at all

benefited by my help.”

Upon this Simmias said, “Indeed, Socrates, I will tell you the truth:

for some time each of us, being in doubt, has been urging and exhorting

the other to question you, from a desire to hear our doubts solved, but

we were afraid of giving you trouble, lest it should be disagreeable to

you in your present circumstances.”

77. But he, upon hearing this, gently smiled, and said, “Bless me,

Simmias; with difficulty indeed, could I persuade other men that I do

not consider my present condition a calamity, since I am not able to

persuade even you; but you are afraid lest I should be more morose now

than during the former part of my life. And, as it seems, I appear to

you to be inferior to swans with respect to divination, who, when they

perceive that they must needs die, though they have been used to sing

before, sing then more than ever, rejoicing that they are about to

depart to that deity whose servants they are. But men, through their own

fear of death, belie the swans too, and say that, they lamenting their

death, sing their last song through grief, and they do not consider that

no bird sings when it is hungry or cold, or is afflicted with any other

pain, not even the nightingale, or swallow, or the hoopoes, which they

say sing lamenting through grief. But neither do these birds appear to

me to sing through sorrow, nor yet do swans; but in my opinion,

belonging to Apollo, they are prophetic, and foreseeing the blessings of

Hades, they sing and rejoice on that day more excellently than at any

preceding time. 78. But I too consider myself to be a fellow-servant of

the swans, and sacred to the same god, and that I have received the

power of divination from our common master no less than they, and that I

do not depart from this life with less spirits than they. On this

account, therefore, it is right that you should both speak and ask

whatever you please, as long as the Athenian Eleven permit.”

“You say well,” said Simmias, “and both I will tell you what are my

doubts, and he in turn how far he does not assent to what has been said.

For it appears to me, Socrates, probably as it does to you with respect

to these matters, that to know them clearly in the present life is

either impossible, or very difficult: on the other hand, however, not to

test what has been said of them in every possible way, so as not to

desist until on examining them in every point of view, one has exhausted

every effort, is the part of a very weak man. For we ought with respect

to these things, either to learn from others how they stand, or to

discover them for one’s-self, or, if both these are impossible, then,

taking the best of human reasonings and that which is the most difficult

to be confuted, and embarking on this, as one who risks himself on a

raft, so to sail through life, unless one could be carried more safely,

and with less risk, on a surer conveyance or some divine reason. 79. I,

therefore, shall not now be ashamed to question you, since you bid me do

so, nor shall I blame myself hereafter, for not having now told you what

I think; for to me, Socrates, when I consider the matter, both with

myself and with Cebes, what has been said does not appear to have been

sufficiently proved.”

Then said Socrates, “Perhaps, my friend, you have the truth on your

side; but tell me in what respect it was not sufficiently proved.”

“In this,” he answered, “because any one might use the same argument

with respect to harmony, and a lyre, and its chords, that harmony is

something invisible and incorporeal, very beautiful and divine, in a

well-modulated lyre: but the lyre and its chords are bodies, and of

corporeal form, compounded and earthly, and akin to that which is

mortal. When any one, then, has either broken the lyre, or cut or burst

the chords, he might maintain from the same reasoning as yours, that it

is necessary the harmony should still exist and not be destroyed; for

there could be no possibility that the lyre should subsist any longer

when the chords are burst, and that the chords which are of a mortal

nature should subsist, but that the harmony, which is of the same nature

and akin to that which is divine and immortal, should become extinct,

and perish before that which is mortal; but he might say that the

harmony must needs subsist somewhere, and that the wood and chords must

decay, before it can undergo any change. 80. For I think, Socrates, that

you yourself have arrived at this conclusion, that we consider the soul

to be pretty much of this kind, namely, that our body being compacted

and held together by heat and cold, dryness and moisture, and other such

qualities, our soul is the fusion and harmony of these, when they are

well and duly combined with each other. If then, the soul is a kind of

harmony, it is evident that when our body is unduly relaxed or strained

through diseases and other maladies, the soul must of necessity

immediately perish, although it is most divine, just as other harmonies

which subsist in sounds or in the various works of artizans, but that

the remains of the body of each person last for a long time, till they

are either burnt or decayed. Consider then what we shall say to this

reasoning, if any one should maintain that the soul being a fusion of

the several qualities in the body, perishes first in that which is

called death.”

81. Socrates, therefore, looking stedfastly at us, as he was generally

accustomed to do, and smiling, said, “Simmias indeed speaks justly. If

then, any one of you is more prompt than I am, why does he not answer?

for he seems to have handled my argument not badly. It appears to me,

however, that before we make our reply we should first hear from Cebes,

what he too objects to our argument, in order that, some time

intervening, we may consider what we shall say, and then when we have

heard them, we may give up to them, if they appear to speak agreeably to

truth, or if not, we may then uphold our own argument. Come then,

Cebes,” he continued, “say what it is that disturbs you, so as to cause

your unbelief.”

“I will tell you,” said Cebes; “the argument seems to me to rest where

it was, and to be liable to the same objection that we mentioned before.

For, that our soul existed even before it came into this present form, I

do not deny has been very elegantly, and, if it is not too much to say

so, very fully demonstrated: but that it still exists any where when we

are dead, does not appear to me to have been clearly proved; nor do I

give in to the objection of Simmias, that the soul is not stronger and

more durable than the body, for it appears to me to excel very far all

things of this kind. 82. ‘Why then,’ reason might say, ‘do you still

disbelieve? for, since you see that when a man dies his weaker part

still exists, does it not appear to you to be necessary that the more

durable part should still be preserved during this period?’ Consider

then, whether I say any thing to the purpose in reply to this. For I

too, as well as Simmias, as it seems, stand in need of an illustration:

for the argument appears to me to have been put thus, as if any one

should advance this argument about an aged weaver who had died, that the

man has not yet perished, but perhaps still exists somewhere; and as a

proof, should exhibit the garment which he wore and had woven himself,

that it is entire and has not perished; and if any one should disbelieve

him he would ask, whether of the two is the more durable, the species of

a man or of a garment, that is constantly in use and being worn; then

should any one answer, that the species of man is much more durable, he

would think it demonstrated, that beyond all question the man is

preserved, since that which is less durable has not perished. 83. But I

do not think, Simmias, that this is the case, and do you consider what I

say, for every one must think that he who argues thus argues foolishly.

For this weaver, having worn and woven many such garments, perished

after almost all of them, but before the last I suppose, and yet it does

not on this account follow any the more that a man is inferior to or

weaker than a garment. And I think the soul might admit this same

illustration with respect to the body, and he who should say the same

things concerning them would appear to me to speak correctly, that the

soul is more durable, but the body weaker and less durable; for he would

say that each soul wears out many bodies, especially if it lives many

years; for, if the body wastes and is dissolved while the man still

lives, but the soul continually weaves anew what is worn out, it must

necessarily follow that when the soul is dissolved it must then have on

its last garment, and perish before this alone; but when the soul has

perished the body would shew the weakness of its nature, and quickly rot

and vanish. 84. So that it is not by any means right to place implicit

reliance on this argument, and to believe that when we die our soul

still exists somewhere. For, if any one should concede to him who admits

even more than you do, and should grant to him that not only did our

soul exist before we were born, but that even when we die nothing

hinders the souls of some of us from still existing, and continuing to

exist hereafter, and from being often born, and dying again; for so

strong is it by nature, that it can hold out against repeated births; if

he granted this, he would not yet concede that it does not exhaust

itself in its many births, and at length perish altogether in some one

of the deaths. But he would say that no one knows this death and

dissolution of the body, which brings destruction to the soul; for it is

impossible for any one of us to perceive it. If however, this be the

case, it follows that every one who is confident at the approach of

death is foolishly confident, unless he is able to prove that the soul

is absolutely immortal and imperishable: otherwise it necessarily

follows that he who is about to die must be alarmed for his soul, lest

in its present disunion from the body it should entirely perish.”

85. Upon this, all of us who had heard them speaking were disagreeably

affected, as we afterwards mentioned to each other; because, after we

had been fully persuaded by the former arguments, they seemed to disturb

us anew, and to cast us into a distrust, not only of the arguments

already adduced, but of such as might afterwards be urged, for fear lest

we should not be fit judges of any thing, or lest the things themselves

should be incredible.

_Echec._ By the gods, Phædo, I can readily excuse you: for, while I am

now hearing you, it occurs to me to ask myself some such question as

this, What arguments can we any longer believe? since the argument which

Socrates advanced, and which was exceedingly credible, has now fallen

into discredit. For this argument, that our soul is a kind of harmony,

produces a wonderful impression on me, both now and always, and in being

mentioned, it has reminded me, as it were, that I too was formerly of

the same opinion: so that I stand in need again, as if from the very

beginning, of some other argument which may persuade me that the soul of

one who dies does not die with the body. Tell me therefore, by Jupiter,

how Socrates followed up the argument; and whether he too, as you

confess was the case with yourselves, seemed disconcerted at all, or

not, but calmly maintained his position; and maintained it sufficiently,

or defectively. Relate every thing to me as accurately as you can.

_Phæd._ Indeed, Echecrates, though I have often admired Socrates, I was

never more delighted than at being with him on that occasion. That he

should be able to say something is perhaps not at all surprising; but I

especially admired this in him, first of all that he listened to the

argument of the young men so sweetly, affably, and approvingly; in the

next place, that he so quickly perceived how we were affected by their

arguments; and lastly, that he cured us so well and recalled us, when we

were put to flight as it were and vanquished, and encouraged us to

accompany him, and consider the argument with him.

_Echec._ How was that?

_Phæd._ I will tell you: I happened to be sitting at his right hand,

near the bed, upon a low seat, but he himself sat much higher than I.

Stroking my head, then, and laying hold of the hair that hung on my

neck, for he used, often, to play with my hairs, “To-morrow,” he said,

“perhaps, Phædo, you will cut off these beautiful locks?”

“It seems likely, Socrates,” said I.

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