SWARAJ IN NINE MONTHS

Asked by the _Times_ representative as to his impressions formed as a

result of his activities during the last three months, Mr. Gandhi

said:--"My own impression of these three months' extensive experience is

that this movement of non-co-operation has come to stay, and it is most

decidedly a purifying movement, in spite of isolated instances of

rowdyism, as for instance at Mrs. Besant's meeting in Bombay, at some

places in Delhi, Bengal, and even in Gujarat. The people are

assimilating day after day the spirit of non-violence, not necessarily

as a creed, but as an inevitable policy. I expect most startling

results, more startling than, say, the discoveries of Sir J.C. Bose, or

the acceptance by the people of non-violence. If the Government could be

assured beyond any possibility of doubt that no violence would ever be

offered by us the Government would from that moment alter its character,

unconsciously and involuntarily, but nonetheless surely on that

account."

"Alter its character,--in what, direction?" asked the _Times_

representative.

"Certainly in the direction which we ask it should move--that being in

the direction of Government becoming responsive to every call of

the nation."

"Will you kindly explain further?" asked the representative.

"By that I mean," said Mr. Gandhi, "people will be able by asserting

themselves through fixed determination and self-sacrifice to gain the

redress of the Khilafat wrong, the Punjab wrong, and attain the Swaraj

of their choice."

"But what is your Swaraj, and where does the Government come in

there--the Government which, you say will alter its character

unconsciously?"

"My Swaraj," said Mr. Gandhi, "is the Parliamentary Government of India

in the modern sense of the term for the time being, and that Government

would be secured to us either through the friendly offices of the

British people or without them."

"What do you mean by the phrase, 'without them!'" questioned the

interviewer.

"This movement," continued Mr. Gandhi, "is an endeavour to purge the

present Government of selfishness and greed which determine almost every

one of their activities. Suppose that we have made it impossible by

disassociation from them to feed their greed. They might not wish to

remain in India, as happened in the case of Somaliland, where the moment

its administration ceased to be a paying proposition they evacuated it."

"How do you think," queried the representative, "in practice this will

work out?"

"What I have sketched before you," said Mr. Gandhi, "is the final

possibility. What I expect is that nothing of that kind will happen. In

so far as I understand the British people I will recognise the force of

public opinion when it has become real and patent. Then, and only then,

will they realise the hideous injustice which in their name the Imperial

ministers and their representatives in India have perpetrated. They will

therefore remedy the two wrongs in accordance with the wishes of the

people, and they will also offer a constitution exactly in accordance

with the wishes of the people of India, as represented by their

chosen leaders.

"Supposing that the British Government wish to retire because India is

not a paying concern, what do you think will then be the position

of India?"

Mr. Gandhi answered: "At that stage surely it is easy to understand that

India will then have evolved either outstanding spiritual height or the

ability to offer violence, against violence. She will have evolved an

organising ability of a high order, and will therefore be in every way

able to cope with any emergency that might arise." "In other words,"

observed the _Times_ representative, "you expect the moment of the

British evacuation, if such a contingency arises, will coincide with the

moment of India's preparedness and ability and conditions favourable for

India to take over the Indian administration as a going concern and work

it for the benefit and advancement of the Nation?"

Mr. Gandhi answered the question with an emphatic affirmative. "My

experience during the last months fills me with the hope," continued Mr.

Gandhi, "that within the nine months that remain of the year in which I

have expected Swaraj for India we shall redress the two wrongs and we

shall see Swaraj established in accordance with the wishes of the people

of India."

"Where will the present Government be at the end of the nine months?"

Asked the _Times_ representative.

Mr. Gandhi, with a significant smile, said: "The lion will then lie with

the lamb."

_Young India, December, 1920._

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