Mr. JUAN VALERA, Delegate of Spain. My only intention in making these

remarks was to verify a fact. I know very well that we have not to

discuss that question. Besides, the Government which I represent

expresses only a hope, and I know we do not insert any hopes in our

protocols; but I thought it my duty to make this declaration.

Mr. LEFAIVRE, Delegate of France. I desire to make some remarks on the

question when it is put to a vote; for the time being I shall only say

a few words on the remarks of my honorable colleague, the Delegate of

Spain, Mr. Valera. I believe that though the question of weights and

measures is not before the Conference, it is allowable for a member to

state, in the name of his Government, the conditions to which his vote

has been subordinated. Even though the question is not under

discussion, it may appear from such an explanation that the vote is

conditional, instead of being a simple affirmation. If my honorable

colleague has received from his Government instructions to subordinate

his vote to such or such a condition, even when the question to which

it is subordinated is not submitted to the Conference, it follows from

it, according to me, and everybody will admit it, that the

consequences of that vote are at least conditional.

Mr. VALERA, Delegate of Spain. My Government has charged me to express

here its hopes and desires, but the vote which I have given is not, in

my opinion, conditional; for I have received instructions to pronounce

in favor of the Greenwich meridian to measure the degrees of

longitude. However, it was necessary for me to say at the same time

that it was with the hope that England and the United States would

adopt the French weights and measure.

General STRACHEY, Delegate of Great Britain. While I entirely agree

with the view which the Chair has taken of the question whether the

adoption of metrical weights and measures is before this

Conference--namely, that it is beyond our competence to discuss

it--yet I am glad to have the opportunity of saying that I am

authorized to state that Great Britain, after considering the opinions

which were expressed at Rome, has desired that it may be allowed to

join the Convention du mètre. The arrangements for that purpose, when

I left my country, were either completed, or were in course of

completion, so that, as a matter of fact, Great Britain henceforth

will be, as regards its system of weights and measures, exactly in the

same position as the United States.

In Great Britain the use of metrical weights and measures is

authorized by law. Contracts can be made in which they are used, and

the department which regulates the weights and measures of Great

Britain is charged, consequently, with the duty of providing properly

authenticated standard metric weights and measures for purposes of

verification. It is quite true that the Government of England does not

hold out any expectation that she will adopt the compulsory use of the

metric system, either at the present time, or, so far as that goes, at

any future time; but it is a well known fact--and in saying this I

shall be supported, I have no doubt, by the views of the eminent

scientific men of my own country who are here present--that there is a

strong feeling on the part of scientific men of England that, sooner

or later, she will be likely to join in the use of that system, which,

no doubt, is an extremely good one, and which, so far as purely

scientific purposes are concerned, is largely in use at the present

time.

Mr. VALERA, Delegate of Spain. I desire to thank the honorable

Delegate of England, General Strachey, for the friendly words which he

has just pronounced, and to felicitate myself for having manifested

the desire and hope of my Government that England should accept the

weights and measures which have been accepted in Spain and in other

parts of the European continent.

Mr. LEFAIVRE, Delegate of France. Mr. Chairman, I cannot pretend to

make any suggestion of any technical value on the question now before

us. I only rise to add a few words to the views which have been so

authoritatively expounded to you by Prof. JANSSEN, in order to explain

clearly the situation of the French Government in this important

discussion.

It is henceforth evident, after the instructive debate at which we

have just assisted, that the meridian of Greenwich is not a scientific

one, and that its adoption implies no progress for astronomy, geodesy,

or navigation; that is to say, for all the branches and pursuits of

human activity interested in the unification at which we aim.

Thus, science is absolutely disinterested in the selection which we

are now discussing and that fact I wish to emphasize particularly, as

we are about to take a vote which we can easily anticipate by the one

we had a few minutes ago, in order that the opponents of the

resolution may not be accused of obstructing progress and the great

aims of science for private interests.

If, on the contrary, any conclusion is to be drawn from the

instructive debate at which we have assisted, it is that the

principal, I will say more, the only merit of the Greenwich

meridian--and our colleague from Great Britain just now reminded us of

it by enumerating with complacency the tonnage of British and American

shipping--is that there are grouped around it, interests to be

respected, I will acknowledge it willingly, by their magnitude, their

energy, and their power of increasing, but entirely devoid of any

claim on the impartial solicitude of science. To strengthen my

assertion, gentlemen, I fall back upon the arguments brought forward

by Mr. Hirsch in his remarkable report to the Geodetic Conference at

Rome, arguments that evidently carried the vote of that assembly.

The Greenwich meridian, says that report, corresponds to an empire

that embraces twenty million square kilometres and a population of two

hundred and fifty millions. Her merchant marine, which counts 40,000

ships of a tonnage from six to nine million tons, and crews of

370,000 men, surpasses in importance all the other marines put

together. Other States, equally important by their merchant marine,

especially the United States, make use of the Greenwich meridian.

Well, gentlemen, if we weigh these reasons--the only ones that have

been set forth, the only ones that at present militate for the

Greenwich meridian--is it not evident that these are material

superiorities, commercial preponderances that are going to influence

your choice? Science appears here only as the humble vassal of the

powers of the day to consecrate and crown their success. But,

gentlemen, nothing is so transitory and fugitive as power and riches.

All the great empires of the world, all financial, industrial, and

commercial prosperities of the world, have given us a proof of it,

each in turn.

So long as there are not in polities or commerce any scientific means

by which to fix, to enchain fortune, I see no reason to fix, to

enchain, to subordinate, so to say, science to their fate.

The character of the proposed determination of the initial meridian is

so evident, that the reporter of the Conference at Rome, Mr. Hirsch,

admits it implicitly, for recognizing that the adoption of the

meridian of Greenwich is a sacrifice for France, he asks that England

should respond by a similar concession, by favoring the definitive

adoption of the metric system, and by acceding to the Convention of

the metre which furnishes to all States metric standards rigorously

compared. Thus, Mr. Hirsch, in a spirit of justice, wished to make for

each a balance of profit and loss--evident proof that the question was

of a commercial, and of no scientific advantage. I am not aware, and

my mission is not to discover, whether the bargain might have been

accepted by France. However, it is with great pleasure that I heard

our colleague from England declare that his Government was ready to

join the international metric convention, but I notice, with sorrow,

that our situation in this Congress is not as favorable as that of

Rome, since the total abandonment of our meridian is proposed without

any compensation.

At Rome the adoption of the metric system of weights and measures, of

which France had the glorious initiative, was held out to us, but here

we are simply invited to sacrifice traditions dear to our navy, to

national science, by adding to that immolation pecuniary sacrifices.

We are assuredly very much flattered that there should be attributed

to us sufficient abnegation to elevate us to that double heroism. We

wish that we were able to justify such a flattering opinion, and

especially we should like to be encouraged by examples. There are at

this very moment magnificent transformations to be realized for

the progress of science, and of the friendly relations of

nations--unification of weights and measures, adoption of a common

standard of moneys, and many other innovations of a well recognized

utility, infinitely more pressing and more practical than that of

meridians. When the discussion of these great questions is begun, let

each nation come and bring its share of sacrifices for this

international progress. France, according to her usage, I may say so

without vain glory as without false modesty, France will not remain

behind. For the present we decline the honor of immolating ourselves

alone for progress of a problematic, and eminently secondary order;

and it is with perfect tranquillity of conscience that we declare that

we do not concur in the adoption of the meridian of Greenwich,

persuaded as we are that France does not incur the reproach of

retarding and of obstructing the march of science by abstaining from

participating in this decision.

The PRESIDENT. Unless some other Delegate desires to speak, the

question will be put upon the amendment of the Delegate of Great

Britain, Mr. FLEMING.

The question was then put, and the amendment was lost.

The PRESIDENT. The Chair sees upon the floor to-day, as the guest of

this Conference, one of the most distinguished scientists, who was

invited to be present at our meetings, Sir WILLIAM THOMSON, whose name

is known the world over in connection with subjects kindred to this we

are now discussing. If it be the pleasure of the Conference to ask Sir

WILLIAM THOMSON briefly to express his views, the Chair would be very

happy to make the invitation.

The Chair, hearing no dissent, takes pleasure in introducing Sir

WILLIAM THOMSON.

Sir WILLIAM THOMSON. Mr. President and Gentlemen, I thank you for

permitting me to be present on this occasion, and I thank you also for

giving me the opportunity of expressing myself in reference to the

subject under discussion. I only wish that the permission which you

have so kindly given me may conduce to the objects of this Conference

more than I can hope any words of mine can do.

The question immediately under discussion is, I understand, the

proposal that the meridian passing through the centre of the

instrument at the Observatory of Greenwich shall be adopted as the

initial meridian of longitude, and it does seem to me that this is a

practical question; that this resolution expresses a practical

conclusion that it is expected by the world the present Conference may

reach. It is expected that the resolutions adopted will be for the

general convenience, and not for the decision of a scientific

question. It is the settlement of a question which is a matter of

business arrangement. The question is, what will be most convenient,

on the whole, for the whole world.

It cannot be said that one meridian is more scientific than another,

but it can be said that one meridian is more convenient for practical

purposes than another, and I think that this may be said pre-eminently

of the meridian of Greenwich.

I do most sincerely and fervently hope that the Delegates from France

and from the other nations who voted for the preceding resolution will

see their way to adopt the resolution that is now before the

Conference. It does seem to me that it is a question of sacrifice, and

I do trust that the honorable Delegate from France who spoke last, Mr.

LEFAIVRE, will see that France is not being asked to make any

sacrifice that it was not prepared to make.

In the admirable and interesting addresses which Mr. JANSSEN has given

to this Conference, (which I had not the pleasure or satisfaction of

hearing, but which I have read with great interest,) the readiness of

France to make a much greater sacrifice than that which is now

proposed was announced. The amount of sacrifice involved in making

any change from an existing usage must always be more or less great,

because it cannot be said that it is a matter of no trouble to make

such a change; but what I may be allowed to suggest is that the

sacrifice which France was ready to make would be very much greater

than that which would be made by adopting the resolution now pending.

If the resolution for a neutral meridian had been adopted, all nations

would have to make the sacrifice necessary for a change to a meridian

not actually determined, and the relations of which could not be so

convenient with those meridians already adopted as are the relations

between the meridians now in use with that of Greenwich. It does seem

to me that if the Delegates of France could see their way to adopt

this resolution, they would have no occasion whatever to regret it.

I sympathize deeply with what has been said in regard to a common

metrical system. I have a very strong opinion upon this subject, which

I will not express, however, if it meets any objection from the Chair;

but it seems to me that England is making a sacrifice in not adopting

the metrical system. The question, however, cannot be put in that way.

We are not here to consider whether England would gain or lose by

adopting the metrical system. That is not the way to view this

question at all, because whether England should adopt the metrical

system is a matter for its own convenience and use, and whether it

adopts it or not, other nations are not affected by its course. It

would not at all be for the benefit or the reverse of other nations.

The PRESIDENT. The Chair would be very glad to hear Sir WM. THOMSON'S

views on this subject if it were before the Conference for discussion,

but it is not.

Sir WILLIAM THOMSON. I beg pardon for having mentioned it.

I would repeat that the adoption of the meridian of Greenwich is one

of convenience. The difference of other meridians from it is readily

ascertained, and therefore it seems to me that the minimum of trouble

will be entailed on the world by the general adoption of the meridian

of Greenwich. This would require the minimum of change, and,

furthermore, the changes which would be necessary are already wholly

ascertained.

I would inquire of the Chair whether it would be in order for me to

allude to the resolutions number 2 and 3, which have been read?

The PRESIDENT. I think that we must confine ourselves to the subject

immediately under discussion--the adoption of a prime meridian.

Sir WILLIAM THOMSON. Then I have only to thank you and the Delegates

for allowing me to speak, and to express my very strong approbation of

the resolution that has been proposed.

Sir F. J. O. EVANS, Delegate of Great Britain, then made the following

remarks:

In view of the interesting information furnished to the Congress by M.

JANSSEN on the hydrographic labors of France, past and present, and of

the results as represented by the number of Government charts; it has

appeared to myself--as having held the office of hydrographer to the

Admiralty of Great Britain for many years--in which opinion I am

supported by my colleagues, that I should place at the disposal of the

Congress certain statistical facts bearing on the great interests of

navigation and commerce, as illustrated by the number of marine

charts, of sailing directions, and of nautical almanacs annually

produced under the authority of the British Government, and of their

distribution.

I would wish to disclaim any comparison in this respect with the

labors of other countries. From personal knowledge I am aware that all

nations--with only one or two exceptions--are, and especially so in

the last few years, diligent in the development of hydrography, and

that a cordial interchange of the results unfettered by any conditions

is steadily being pursued.

With this preface I would lay before you the following statements,

observing that the shores of the whole navigable parts of the globe

are embraced in the series of Admiralty charts referred to:

The number of copper chart plates in constant use is between 2,850 and

2,900. This number keeps up steadily. About 60 new plates are added

every year.

Average number of copper plates annually receiving correction amount

to 2,700.

Total number of charts annually printed for the daily use of the ships

of Her Majesty's fleet in commission, and for sale to the general

public, has for some years ranged between 180,000 and 230,000.

The sale of Admiralty charts to the public through an authorized

agent, both in London and at other commercial ports in the kingdom,

has been for the last seven years as follows:

1877................................104,562

1878................................109,881

1879................................103,943

1880................................114,430

1881................................118,542

1882................................131,801

1883................................157,325

Of these numbers, about one-fifth have been purchased by the

governments or agents of Austria, France, Germany, Italy, Russia,

Turkey, and the United States. The appended list, which was furnished

to me by the Admiralty Chart agent during the present year, gives the

more precise particulars.

+-------+-------+------+-------+------+-------+-------+--------+-------+

| | |Ger- |United | | | | | |

|Years. |France.|many. |States.|Italy.|Russia.|Turkey.|Austria.|Total. |

+-------+-------+------+-------+------+-------+-------+--------+-------+

|1877 ..| 2,039 | 5,184| 2,067 | 1,518| 11,763| | | 22,561|

|1878 ..| 5,741 | 3,381| 2,641 | 2,645| 5,651| | 600 | 20,529|

|1879 ..| 3,340 | 6,425| 5,185 | 802| 9,354| | 641 | 25,747|

|1880 ..| 5,793 | 5,280| 1,879 | 797| 10,145| 519 | 376 | 24,788|

|1881 ..| 4,418 | 3,640| 1,273 | 2,694| 3,406| 1,160 | 996 | 17,587|

|1882 ..| 7,454 | 5,656| 1,716 | 2,569| 4,245| 115 | 1,197 | 22,952|

|1888 ..| 5,592 | 7,882| 6,174 | 2,607| 6,280| 2,368 | 2,158 | 32,961|

|1884 | | | | | | | | |

|(1st | | | | | | | | |

|quar.) | 1,367 | 2,261| 2,942 | 908| 2,186| 429 | 677 | 10,670|

| +-------+------+-------+------+-------+-------+--------+-------+

| |35,741 |39,679|23,867 |14,440| 52,930| 4,591 | 6,544 |177,795|

+-------+-------+------+-------+------+-------+-------+--------+-------+

But the chart resources of the British Admiralty, great as they are,

do not suffice to meet the requirements of the smaller class ships of

the mercantile marine of Great Britain. There are three commercial

firms in London who publish special charts, based, however, on

admiralty documents, to satisfy this demand. On inquiry I found that

these firms publish 640 charts, which, from their large size, require

about 930 copper plates. I am not able to furnish the number of charts

sold by these firms, but it is large.

Supplementary to the Admiralty Charts, there are 51 volumes of Sailing

Directions. Several of these volumes exceed 500 pages, and have passed

through several editions. Private commercial firms also, in addition

to their charts, publish directions for many parts of the globe. These

include regions with which the Admiralty have not yet, notwithstanding

great diligence, been able to deal.

The annual sales of nautical almanacs for the past seven years have

been:

1877................................18,439

1878................................16,408

1879................................16,290

1880................................14,561

1881................................15,870

1882................................15,071

1883................................15,535

I think, sir, that these are salient points, which will assist the

Conference in coming to a clearer view of the great interest which

navigation and commerce have in the charts of a particular country.

The question was then put on the adoption of the resolution offered by

the Delegate of the United States, Mr. RUTHERFURD, as follows:

"That the Conference proposes to the Governments here

represented the adoption of the meridian passing through the

transit instrument at the Observatory of Greenwich as the

initial meridian for longitude."

The roll was called, and the different States voted as follows:

In the affirmative--

Austria, Mexico,

Chili, Netherlands,

Costa Rica, Paraguay,

Columbia, Russia,

Germany, Spain,

Great Britain, Sweden,

Guatemala, Switzerland,

Hawaii, Turkey,

Italy, Venezuela,

Japan, United States.

Liberia,

In the negative--

San Domingo.

Abstaining from voting--

Brazil, France.

The result was then announced, as follows:

Ayes, 21; noes, 1; abstaining from voting, 2.

The PRESIDENT then announced that the resolution was passed.

Mr. DE STRUVE, Delegate of Russia. In the name of the Delegates for

Russia I have now, at this point of the discussion, to say a few

words.

If we had to consider the scientific side alone of the questions,

which have already been discussed and resolved by the prominent

scientists of the different countries at the General Conference of the

International Geodetical Association at Rome, in 1883, we might as

well simply adhere to the resolutions of the Roman Conference, and

limit our work to the shaping of these resolutions into the form of a

draft of an international convention, to be submitted for approbation

to our respective Governments. But, as we have, besides, to consider

the application of the intended reform to practical life, we beg to

submit the following suggestions to the kind attention of the

Conference.

It is important to find for the more densely populated countries the

simplest mode possible of transition from local to universal time, and

_vice versa_; and we believe, therefore, that it would be convenient

for the practical purposes of the question to adopt for the beginning

of the universal day the midnight of Greenwich, and not the noon, as

was deemed advisable by the Conference of Rome.

This modification would offer for the whole of Europe and for the

greatest part of America the advantage of avoiding the double date in

local and universal time during the principal business hours of the

day, and would afford great facilities in the transition from local

time to universal.

In adopting the universal time for the astronomical almanacs and for

astronomical ephemerides, and in counting the beginning of the day

from the midnight of Greenwich, there would be, it is true, a

modification of the astronomical chronology, as heretofore used; but

we think it easier for the astronomers to change the starting point,

and to make allowance for these 12 hours of difference in their

calculations, than it would be for the public and for the business

men, if the date for the universal time began at noon, and not at

midnight.

The Conference at Rome proposes to count the longitudes from O° to

360° in the direction from west to east. It seems to us that this

system can lead to misunderstanding in the local and universal

chronology for the countries beyond the 180° east of Greenwich.

We believe that a more practical result of the reform could be easily

obtained by modifying the clause IV of the resolutions of the Roman

Conference, and by maintaining the system already in use for a long

time, which is to count the longitudes from 0° to 180° to east and

west, adopting the sign + for eastern longitudes, and the sign - for

western longitudes Thus the transition from universal to local time

could be exactly expressed by the formula:

Universal time = Local time - Longitude.

The adoption of this modification would necessitate that the change of

the day of the week, historically established on or about the

anti-meridian of Greenwich, should henceforth take place exactly on

that meridian.

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