A REPLY TO THE REV. DR. PLUMB.

* Boston, 1898.

_Question_. Last Sunday the Rev. Dr. Plumb paid some attention to the

lecture which you delivered here on the 23rd of October. Have you read a

report of it, and what have you to say?

_Answer._ Dr. Plumb attacks not only myself, but the Rev. Mr. Mills. I

do not know the position that Mr. Mills takes, but from what Dr.

Plumb says, I suppose that he has mingled a little philosophy with his

religion and some science with his superstition. Dr. Plumb appears to

have successfully avoided both. His manners do not appear to me to be of

the best. Why should he call an opponent coarse and blasphemous, simply

because he does not happen to believe as he does? Is it blasphemous to

say that this "poor" world never was visited by a Redeemer from Heaven,

a majestic being--unique--peculiar--who "trod the sea and hushed the

storm and raised the dead"? Why does Dr. Plumb call this world a "poor"

world? According to his creed, it was created by infinite wisdom,

infinite goodness and infinite power. How dare he call the work of such

a being "poor"?

Is it not blasphemous for a Boston minister to denounce the work of the

Infinite and say to God that he made a "poor" world? If I believed

this world had been made by an infinitely wise and good Being, I should

certainly insist that this is not a poor world, but, on the contrary,

a perfect world. I would insist that everything that happens is for the

best. Whether it looks wise or foolish to us, I would insist that the

fault we thought we saw, lies in us and not in the infinitely wise and

benevolent Creator.

Dr. Plumb may love God, but he certainly regards him as a poor mechanic

and a failure as a manufacturer. There Dr. Plumb, like all religious

preachers, takes several things for granted; things that have not been

established by evidence, and things which in their nature cannot be

established.

He tells us that this poor world was visited by a mighty Redeemer from

Heaven. How does he know? Does he know where heaven is? Does he know

that any such place exists? Is he perfectly sure that an infinite God

would be foolish enough to make people who needed a redeemer?

He also says that this Being "trod the sea, hushed the storm and raised

the dead." Is there any evidence that this Being trod the sea? Any more

evidence than that Venus rose from the foam of the ocean? Any evidence

that he hushed the storm any more than there is that the storm comes

from the cave of AEolus? Is there any evidence that he raised the dead?

How would it be possible to prove that the dead were raised? How

could we prove such a thing if it happened now? Who would believe

the evidence? As a matter of fact, the witnesses themselves would

not believe and could not believe until raising of the dead became so

general as to be regarded as natural.

Dr. Plumb knows, if he knows anything, that gospel gossip is the only

evidence he has, or anybody has, that Christ trod the sea, hushed the

storm and raised the dead. He also knows, if he knows anything, that

these stories were not written until Christ himself had been dead for at

least four generations. He knows also that these accounts were written

at a time when the belief in miracles was almost universal, and

when everything that actually happened was regarded of no particular

importance, and only the things that did not happen were carefully

written out with all the details.

So Dr. Plumb says that this man who hushed the storm "spake as never man

spake." Did the Doctor ever read Zeno? Zeno, who denounced human slavery

many years before Christ was born? Did he ever read Epicurus, one of the

greatest of the Greeks? Has he read anything from Buddha? Has he read

the dialogues between Arjuna and Krishna? If he has, he knows that every

great and splendid utterance of Christ was uttered centuries before he

lived. Did he ever read Lao-tsze? If he did--and this man lived many

centuries before the coming of our Lord--he knows that Lao-tsze said "we

should render benefits for injuries. We should love our enemies, and

we should not resist evil." So it will hardly do now to say that Christ

spake as never man spake, because he repeated the very things that other

men had said.

So he says that I am endeavoring to carry people back to a dimly groping

Socrates or a vague Confucius. Did Dr. Plumb ever read Confucius? Only a

little while ago a book was published by Mr. For-long showing the origin

of the principal religion and the creeds that have been taught. In this

book you will find the cream of Buddha, of Christ, of Zoroaster, and you

will also find a few pages devoted to the philosophy of Confucius; and

after you have read the others, then read what Confucius says, and you

will find that his philosophy rises like a monolith touching the clouds,

while the creeds and sayings of the others appear like heaps of stone or

piles of rubbish. The reason of this is that Confucius was not simply

a sentimentalist. He was not controlled entirely by feeling, but he had

intelligence--a great brain in which burned the torch of reason. Read

Confucius, and you will think that he must have known the sciences of

to-day; that is to say, the conclusions that have been reached by modern

thinkers. It could have been easily said of Confucius in his day that he

spake as never man had spoken, and it may be that after you read him

you will change your mind just a little as to the wisdom and the

intelligence contained in many of the sayings of our Lord.

Dr. Plumb charges that Mr. Mills is trying to reconstruct theology.

Whether he is right in this charge I do not know, but I do know that I

am not trying to reconstruct theology. I am endeavoring to destroy it.

I have no more confidence in theology than I have in astrology or in

the black art. Theology is a science that exists wholly independent of

facts, and that reaches conclusions without the assistance of evidence.

It also scorns experience and does what little it can to do away with

thought.

I make a very great distinction between theology and real religion. I

can conceive of no religion except usefulness. Now, here we are, men

and women in this world, and we have certain faculties, certain senses.

There are things that we can ascertain, and by developing our brain we

can avoid mistakes, keep a few thorns out of our feet, a few thistles

out of our hands, a few diseases from our flesh. In my judgment, we

should use all our senses, gathering information from every possible

quarter, and this information should be only used for the purpose of

ascertaining the facts, for finding out the conditions of well-being, to

the end that we may add to the happiness of ourselves and fellows.

In other words, I believe in intellectual veracity and also in mental

hospitality. To me reason is the final arbiter, and when I say reason,

I mean my reason. It may be a very poor light, the flame small and

flickering, but, after all, it is the only light I have, and never with

my consent shall any preacher blow it out.

Now, Dr. Plumb thinks that I am trying to despoil my fellow-men of their

greatest inheritance; that is to say, divine Christ. Why do you call

Christ good? Is it because he was merciful? Then why do you put him

above mercy? Why do you call Christ good? Is it because he was just? Why

do you put him before justice? Suppose it should turn out that no such

person as Christ ever lived. What harm would that do justice or mercy?

Wouldn't the tear of pity be as pure as now, and wouldn't justice,

holding aloft her scales, from which she blows even the dust of

prejudice, be as noble, as admirable as now? Is it not better to love,

justice and mercy than to love a name, and when you put a name above

justice, above mercy, are you sure that you are benefiting your

fellow-men?

If Dr. Plumb wanted to answer me, why did he not take my argument

instead of my motive? Why did he not point out my weakness instead

of telling the consequences that would follow from my action? We have

nothing to do with the consequences. I said that to believe without

evidence, or in spite of evidence, was superstition. If that definition

is correct, Dr. Plumb is a superstitious man, because he believes at

least without evidence. What evidence has he that Christ was God? In

the nature of things, how could he have evidence? The only evidence

he pretends to have is the dream of Joseph, and he does not know that

Joseph ever dreamed the dream, because Joseph did not write an account

of his dream, so that Dr. Plumb has only hearsay for the dream, and the

dream is the foundation of his creed.

Now, when I say that that is superstition, Dr. Plumb charges me with

being a burglar--a coarse, blasphemous burglar--who wishes to rob

somebody of some great blessing. Dr. Plumb would not hesitate to tell a

Mohammedan that Mohammed was an impostor. He would tell a Mormon in

Utah that Joseph Smith was a vulgar liar and that Brigham Young was

no better. In other words, if in Turkey, he would be a coarse and

blasphemous burglar, and he would follow the same profession in Utah. So

probably he would tell the Chinese that Confucius was an ignorant

wretch and that their religion was idiotic, and the Chinese priest would

denounce Dr. Plumb as a very coarse and blasphemous burglar, and Dr.

Plumb would be perfectly astonished that a priest could be so low, so

impudent and malicious.

Of course my wonder is not excited. I have become used to it.

If Dr. Plumb would think, if he would exercise his imagination a

little and put himself in the place of others, he would think, in all

probability, better things of his opponents. I do not know Dr. Plumb,

and yet I have no doubt that he is a good and sincere man; a little

superstitious, superficial, and possibly, mingled with his many virtues,

there may be a little righteous malice.

The Rev. Mr. Mills used to believe as Dr. Plumb does now, and I suppose

he has changed for reasons that were sufficient for him. So I believe

him to be an honest, conscientious man, and so far as I am concerned, I

have no objection to Mr. Mills doing what little he can to get all the

churches to act together. He may never succeed, but I am not responsible

for that.

So I have no objection to Dr. Plumb preaching what he believes to be the

gospel. I admit that he is honest when he says that an infinitely good

God made a poor world; that he made man and woman and put them in the

Garden of Eden, and that this same God before that time had manufactured

a devil, and that when he manufactured this devil, he knew that he would

corrupt the man and woman that he had determined to make; that he could

have defeated the devil, but that for a wise purpose, he allowed his

Satanic Majesty to succeed; that at the time he allowed him to succeed,

he knew that in consequence of his success that he (God) in about

fifteen or sixteen hundred years would be compelled to drown the whole

world with the exception of eight people. These eight people he kept for

seed. At the time he kept them for seed, he knew that they were totally

depraved, that they were saturated with the sin of Adam and Eve, and

that their children would be their natural heirs. He also knew at the

time he allowed the devil to succeed, that he (God), some four thousand

years afterward, would be compelled to be born in Palestine as a babe,

to learn the carpenter's trade, and to go about the country for three

years preaching to the people and discussing with the rabbis of his

chosen people, and he also knew that these chosen people--these people

who had been governed and educated by him, to whom he had sent a

multitude of prophets, would at that time be so savage that they would

crucify him, although he would be at that time the only sinless being

who had ever stood upon the earth. This he knew would be the effect of

his government, of his education of his chosen people. He also knew at

the time he allowed the devil to succeed, that in consequence of that

success a vast majority of the human race would become eternal convicts

in the prison of hell.

All this he knew, and yet Dr. Plumb insists that he was and is

infinitely wise, infinitely powerful and infinitely good. What would

this God have done if he had lacked wisdom, or power, or goodness?

Of all the religions that man has produced, of all the creeds of

savagery, there is none more perfectly absurd than Christianity.

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