Mr. JENNER. What was the occasion----

Mrs. PAINE. And she quoted this proverb.

Mr. JENNER. Can you remember the circumstance in which she made that

utterance?

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Mr. JENNER. Anything that provoked it or brought it about?

Mrs. PAINE. I think she was probably recalling something of their life

in Russia.

Mr. JENNER. In a discussion between you and Marina as to their life in

Russia?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Any other occasion in which a discussion occurred between

you and either of them or in their presence while you were present on

the subject of a firearm prior to November 22?

Mrs. PAINE. On one occasion around the middle of November I said to

Marina that----

Mr. JENNER. Was Lee Harvey Oswald present?

Mrs. PAINE. He was not present.

Mr. JENNER. Just Marina and you?

Mrs. PAINE. Just Marina and I.

Mr. JENNER. Was it in your home?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes. I said to her that I did not want to buy toy guns for

my children, and that this view of things was shared with a German

friend of mine who had been a young girl at the time of the last World

War in Germany, and she didn't wish to buy guns for her children to

play with, and I said too few people think about this. She said nothing

in reply.

Mr. JENNER. She didn't say anything at all in response to that. Does

that exhaust your recollection of all discussion of firearms?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; it does.

Mr. JENNER. That occurred in your presence?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Up to November 22, 1963?

Mrs. PAINE. Up to, that is right.

Mr. McCLOY. There was no suggestion of Lee's using a firearm for

hunting purposes in the United States?

Mrs. PAINE. None; nor that he might have had any gun.

Mr. McCLOY. Nor that he might have had any gun.

Mr. JENNER. After Marina's things and the baby's things had been placed

in your home then what occurred in the evening, was this late in the

day of the 24th?

Mrs. PAINE. It was close to supper. I am sure we then ate and put our

children to bed, possibly talked a short time. I no doubt explained

to her quite soon that I was to go away for the weekend. Indeed, this

invitation was made quite on the spur of the moment. You don't normally

invite someone to come and stay with you when you are about to go away,

but I was to go to a folk-dance camp with Michael that weekend, and you

see on the calendar "FDC" which stands for folk-dance camp, arrow San

Antonio. That is the 26th, 27th and 28th.

Mr. JENNER. Yes; I noticed that.

Mrs. PAINE. And I left her in the house with the telephone number of

my Russian tutor to call, and I believe they talked, in fact, before I

left.

Mr. JENNER. Would you tell us the name of your Russian tutor.

Mr. DULLES. Could I ask one question that we passed by?

Mr. JENNER. Yes.

Mr. DULLES. When you unloaded Marina's things and the baby's things,

did this subtract one suitcase from this number you have indicated? Was

one of the suitcases delegated to her things or were they just loose in

the car?

Mrs. PAINE. Insofar as I remember, I believe they were loose.

Mr. DULLES. They were loose. So that the number of suitcases you have

indicated were those that were eventually checked and taken by Lee

Harvey Oswald to New Orleans.

Mrs. PAINE. Well, that is the way I remember it. It does not seem

reasonable that he would go off without leaving her a suitcase to put

her things in, so I would guess there was something for her in the

nature, perhaps, of a small bag.

Mr. DULLES. So that one of these bags may have been unloaded at your

house?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. McCLOY. You testified, I believe, you started to testify, that

there was also a radio that had been presumably purchased in Russia.

Did he take that with him?

Mrs. PAINE. He took that.

Mr. McCLOY. He took that with him. He didn't return that to her.

Mr. JENNER. Mrs. Paine, I don't want to speculate, but I thought you

had testified in response to my questions that the two or three pieces

of luggage, that is, the suitcases, plus the two duffel bags, plus the

zipper bag, plus the radio, had been checked into the bus station.

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; that is right.

Mr. JENNER. All of those pieces of luggage were actually checked in,

and when you left the bus station none of the pieces of luggage or the

radio or the duffel bags had been placed back in your car.

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