Mr. JENNER. Between the 8th and 10th through the 20th.
Mrs. PAINE. I guess not; between the 11th or so and the 20th.
Mr. JENNER. Is that your best recollection?
Mrs. PAINE. So far as I know, no.
Mr. JENNER. How did you communicate with her about the picnic?
Mrs. PAINE. Probably by letter.
Mr. JENNER. By a letter. Do you have that letter?
Mrs. PAINE. I have--I don't know if I have it. I have a letter that
closes "October 20th" in my hand, a scratch note.
Mr. JENNER. Could I look at that correspondence this evening?
Mrs. PAINE. At the same time.
Mr. JENNER. Thank you.
Then the next occasion was when you had the picnic on the 20th, is that
right?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. I notice in that entry what looks to me like "Miss Mary
7:15." What is the significance of that?
Mrs. PAINE. That is probably going out in the evening. It had no
relationship with the picnic at all. It has a relationship with a
dinner group which is at the time, you see the line "dinner group--7:15
Miss Mary," who is a babysitter.
Mr. JENNER. That entry has nothing to do with the Oswalds?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. Without elaborating, please, Mrs. Paine, what would the
subjects of discussion between you and Marina and Mr. Oswald have been
at the picnic?
Mrs. PAINE. At the picnic?
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mrs. PAINE. He spent most of his time fishing. We saw almost nothing
of him and heard virtually nothing from him. I was impressed with his
unwillingness to be sociable really in this situation. He came to eat
when it was time to, and complained about the food.
Mr. JENNER. Did he complain about the food?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Was your husband present at this picnic?
Mrs. PAINE. No; he was not.
Mr. DULLES. Did you supply the food?
Mrs. PAINE. No; Marina had cooked it. He complained about it. He caught
a fish, as I recall, and took it home to be cleaned. I hardly know who
would clean it.
Representative FORD. Who did clean it?
Mrs. PAINE. I don't know. I left about that time.
Mr. JENNER. What discussion occurred between you and Lee Oswald, if
any, with respect to his life in Russia on that occasion?
Mrs. PAINE. None.
Mr. JENNER. Did you have any conversation with him other than some
pleasantries?
Mrs. PAINE. I don't believe so. I can't even think of the pleasantry.
Mr. DULLES. As I understand it, as you were sitting there, the picnic
took place in the park----
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. DULLES. What was he doing?
Mrs. PAINE. He was way over at the lake fishing.
Mr. DULLES. He was over fishing at the lake?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Did any further discussion occur between you and Marina on
that occasion, or on any interim occasion, of Mr. Oswald's desire to
have her return to Russia or the fact that she did not wish the Russian
emigré group to know she was pregnant and was about to have a child?
Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall specifically. I did feel that it wasn't a
particularly happy occasion. I don't recall it with lightness.
Mr. JENNER. Was he out of work at that time or not?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes; he was out of work. I knew at that time he was out of
work. Whether I found out that morning or the previous time I had seen
her I don't recall. I only recall when she said he was out of work she
also said he had been out of work for a week or a few days before he
told her.
Mr. JENNER. I would like to have you draw on your recollection as
closely as you can. Did you learn of his being out of work from him or
from Marina?
Mrs. PAINE. From her.
Mr. JENNER. What did she say on that subject as to whether he was
discharged or whether he had left his employment, or did she say
anything in that area?
Mrs. PAINE. I judged he had been discharged.
Mr. JENNER. Give me your best recollection of what she said.
Mrs. PAINE. Do you want something else?
Mr. JENNER. Give me your best recollection of what she said, Mrs. Paine.
Mrs. PAINE. I can't recall it that closely.
Mr. JENNER. You next have an entry on April 24 reading "Lee and
Marina." Do you find it?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Was that a meeting with Lee Harvey Oswald and his wife,
Marina?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Where was that held?
Mrs. PAINE. That was to be a visit at the apartment on Neely Street.
Mr. JENNER. At their apartment?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Did it take place?
Mrs. PAINE. I arrived and found that he was packed to go to New Orleans.
Mr. JENNER. Was this a surprise to you?
Mrs. PAINE. This was a distinct surprise.
Mr. JENNER. Had there been some communication between you and the
Oswalds about your visiting them on the 24th of April?
Mrs. PAINE. It had been arranged that I would come over to visit as
much as these other visits had been arranged, just with Marina to talk.
Mr. JENNER. Had you had any visit with Marina between the 20th of April
and the 24th?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. None whatsoever?
Mrs. PAINE. None.
Mr. JENNER. Had you arranged on the 20th to visit on the 24th?
Mrs. PAINE. Probably.
Mr. JENNER. That is your best recollection?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. What time of day did you arrive, or night?
Mrs. PAINE. Mid-morning, perhaps around 10.
Mr. JENNER. And then you found him packed or packing to leave?
Mrs. PAINE. He was fully packed. I was evidently expected. I and my
car, because he asked if I could take these bags and duffel bags,
suitcases, to the bus station for him.
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mrs. PAINE. Where he would buy a ticket to go to New Orleans, and he
said he had not been able to----
Mr. JENNER. What he said to you is what I am interested in.