Mr. GREGORY. Yes. She called me----

Mr. LIEBELER. Tell us about it?

Mr. GREGORY. Sunday morning, November 24, about 7 o'clock in the

morning, from Dallas.

Representative FORD. This is the mother called?

Mr. GREGORY. The mother. Sunday morning about 7 o'clock in the morning,

and she said, I still remember, she said, "Mr. Gregory, I need your

help. The reporters, the news media were badgering me." I think that is

the word she used. She said, "I wonder if some of your friends or you

could provide a place for me to hide from them." And it sounded like

she was crying on the telephone, although I think that woman is not

taken to crying.

So I told her--she did not want to identify herself when she called

me first. I asked her, I said, "Who are you?" And she said, "I would

rather not tell you who I am but I shall identify myself by saying I am

one of the students in the Russian class in the library." Of course, I

knew it was Mrs. Oswald. In fact, I guessed who she was before she even

tried to identify herself. So I told her, I said, "Now, I will tell you

what I will do, Mrs. Oswald, you stay where you are and I will promise

to you that I will come to see you sometime today." Of course, I knew

where she was because the Secret Service told me where they had her

before.

Mr. LIEBELER. The Secret Service contacted you the day before?

Mr. GREGORY. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. On Saturday?

Mr. GREGORY. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. Isn't it a fact they had asked you to come and translate

an interview with Marina Oswald?

Mr. GREGORY. That is correct.

Mr. LIEBELER. But you didn't do it because you didn't need to do it

that day?

Mr. GREGORY. No, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see Lee Oswald that day?

Mr. GREGORY. No, I did not see him.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you later on Sunday go to see Mrs. Marguerite Oswald?

Mr. GREGORY. Yes. As soon as I hung up the phone, I was talking to

Marguerite Oswald, I called the U.S. Secret Service and reported this

call, of course, and an agent, I called Agent Howard, who lives just

north of Fort Worth, and he said, "Well, that is fine, we will find a

hiding place for her, for Marguerite and Marina Oswald and the babies,"

and he suggested he come by my house in a matter of 45 minutes or an

hour and we will go to Dallas and then proceed from there. And that is

what we did then. We went to Dallas.

Mr. LIEBELER. You went to the Executive Inn where Marina and Mrs.

Oswald were staying at that time, is that right?

Mr. GREGORY. Yes, sir; we went to the Executive Inn, and on the way

we stopped en route on the turnpike, where the agents arranged a

rendezvous with Robert Oswald and other agents, and we went to the

Executive Inn in Dallas by the airport, and Robert and I went in and

we told the women to pack up, that we were going to take them to,

Robert told them we were going to take them to, the farm of his wife's

parents, north of Fort Worth.

Mr. LIEBELER. But Mrs. Oswald objected to that?

Mr. GREGORY. Yes, she objected, she said she didn't want to go there.

But I told her that she bothered me to come, to call me at the house to

provide a place for her and here I am, and if she doesn't like it then

I am just through with her.

Mr. LIEBELER. You told her that?

Mr. GREGORY. So she packed up and we got with the agents in two or

three cars, two cars, and we started toward that farm of Robert

Oswald's parents. But en route we detoured because Marguerite Oswald

mentioned the fact that the two little babies were all wet, and that

there were no diaper change for them, that Marina and she had no change

of dresses, and so forth, and she insisted that we go by Irving where

Marina lived with Ruth Paine.

Mr. LIEBELER. Then you went and obtained some materials for the babies

there?

Mr. GREGORY. Well, we didn't go to the house because we got the report

that Lee Oswald was shot. You see, that all happened Sunday morning, it

was 11 o'clock in the morning, we were driving from Dallas to Irving

and we got this report that Lee was shot, and the police advised us not

to go to the house because there was a mob, so we went to the Chief of

Police of Irving, to his residence. Marina telephoned Ruth Paine from

there to gather these things for the babies and a change of dress for

her and some money and so forth.

Mr. LIEBELER. You went from there, then, to Parkland Hospital where

some events occurred and then you came back to the Inn of the Six Flags?

Mr. GREGORY. That is correct.

Mr. LIEBELER. I want to ask you about something that might have

happened or happened at the Inn of the Six Flags.

There has been a newspaper report, and Mrs. Marguerite Oswald has said

that on Saturday night an FBI agent came to the Executive Inn and

showed her a picture of a man who she claims to be Jack Ruby. Have you

seen newspaper reports to that effect?

Mr. GREGORY. Yes, I have seen reports to that effect.

Mr. LIEBELER. Now, Mrs. Oswald says, also, that while at the Inn of the

Six Flags she observed a newspaper that had Jack Ruby's picture in it

and exclaimed in the presence of other people that that was the same

picture as the FBI had showed her, that is what she says. Did you ever

hear her say anything like that?

Mr. GREGORY. No, sir; not to my recollection.

Mr. LIEBELER. She never did anything like that in your presence?

Mr. GREGORY. No, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. After you met Mrs. Oswald, Marguerite Oswald, and had a

chance to observe her, did that further your judgment of Lee Harvey

Oswald in any way?

Mr. GREGORY. Yes, sir. I felt that a lot of his, many of his,

peculiarities, possibly were brought on by the influence of his mother.

To me, she impressed me as being not necessarily rational. She is

quite clever, but she certainly is most peculiar. She demands public

attention, she wants to be the center of attention. As, for example,

standing there in the middle of the room at the motel of that Six

Flags, standing in the middle of the room saying "I want to make a

statement," and she made those statements throughout the frequent

intervals and always she would precede the statement by saying, "I want

to make a statement. I feel that my son can't be buried anywhere but at

the Arlington National Cemetery."

Mr. LIEBELER. And you detected similarities between Mrs. Oswald and Lee?

Mr. GREGORY. Yes; I felt they both craved public recognition or to be

craving attention or publicity or whatever you wish to call it.

Mr. LIEBELER. In our conversation last evening about your testimony, I

asked you about Mrs. Ruth Paine, and you told me that Mrs. Ruth Paine

had come to visit you at a time subsequent to the assassination.

Mr. GREGORY. No, sir; she never did. Ruth Paine?

Mr. LIEBELER. Yes.

Mr. GREGORY. No. She called me on the phone once.

Mr. LIEBELER. Called on the telephone?

Mr. GREGORY. Yes. But I have never met her.

Mr. LIEBELER. What was the conversation between you and her?

Mr. GREGORY. She asked me if I would tutor her in writing letters in

Russian. If I remember, she mentioned that she either was going to

write to the Soviet Embassy or Soviet Union, something like that, but

I told her I was just too busy, I have no time for that. In fact, I

didn't want to have anything to do with that sort of--I didn't want to

write letters to the Soviet Union or to the Embassy or anybody else.

Representative FORD. How long have you taught Russian, Mr. Gregory?

Mr. GREGORY. In the library?

Representative FORD. Yes.

Mr. GREGORY. For approximately 3 or 4 years from 10 to 20 weeks a year.

Representative FORD. Have you taught Russian in any other area or

capacity?

Mr. GREGORY. Yes, sir; I taught Russian a couple of years ago, not more

than 2 years ago, at Carswell Air Force Base at Fort Worth, where I had

a class of officers and men in the Russian language. With the result

that two out of my class passed the Russian examination, and the rest

flunked.

Representative FORD. How long would you estimate it would normally

take for a person of average intelligence to learn to speak and write

Russian as fluently as Oswald did?

Mr. GREGORY. If he lived in this country or in that country? That would

make a lot of difference.

Representative FORD. Well, let's take this country first.

Mr. GREGORY. This country. That would depend again on the effort put

out by the particular individual. If he were in earnest I would think

he could do it in about 4 years.

Representative FORD. That is an ordinary person living in the United

States?

Mr. GREGORY. Living in the United States.

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