Mr. BALL. And when you gave this transfer near Poydras and Elm----

Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. Did you pull out a transfer that had already been set for 1

o'clock time?

Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, sir. In other words, I just reached up on my cutter

and just tore off one which is already punched.

Mr. BALL. Then did you punch it again or was it already punched?

Mr. McWATTERS. It was already punched.

Mr. BALL. And you had punched it at the end of the line?

Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. So all you had to do is pull the transfer off of the pile of

transfers and hand it to the man?

Mr. McWATTERS. That is correct.

Mr. BALL. And you had anticipated at the end of the line that when

you got to about this point it would be a 1 o'clock transfer, is that

correct?

Mr. McWATTERS. Well, that is right.

In other words, there is enough time on it, just like I say, within a

quarter of an hour, but----

Mr. BALL. When you got to the police station that day did they show you

a transfer?

Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. What did you tell them about the transfer?

Mr. McWATTERS. Well, I recognized the transfer as being the transfer

that I had issued.

Mr. BALL. How did you recognize it?

Mr. McWATTERS. By my punch mark on it.

Mr. BALL. And what about the line?

Mr. McWATTERS. The line?

Mr. BALL. Lakewood.

Mr. McWATTERS. The Lakewood punch on it, and where it was punched and

Lakewood with my punch mark on it.

Mr. BALL. Were you able to identify it any further as a particular

transfer you had given to any particular passenger?

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