Mr. BALL. What did they ask you?
Mr. McWATTERS. Well, they stopped me; it was, I would say around 6:15
or somewhere around 6:15 or 6:20 that afternoon.
Mr. BALL. You were still on duty, were you?
Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Still on your bus?
Mr. McWATTERS. I was on duty but I was on a different line and a
different bus.
Mr. BALL. What did they ask you when they came out?
Mr. McWATTERS. Well, they stopped me right by the city hall there when
I come by there and they wanted me to come in, they wanted to ask me
some questions. And I don't know what it was about or anything until I
got in there and they told me what happened.
Mr. BALL. What did they tell you?
Mr. McWATTERS. Well, they told me that they had a transfer that I had
issued that was cut for Lamar Street at 1 o'clock, and they wanted to
know if I knew anything about it. And I, after I looked at the transfer
and my punch, I said yes, that is the transfer I issued because it had
my punch mark on it.
Mr. BALL. Did your punch mark have a distinctive mark?
Mr. McWATTERS. It had a distinctive mark and it is registered, in other
words, all the drivers, every driver has a different punch mark.
Mr. BALL. What makes it different?
Mr. McWATTERS. Well, it is, it would be, the symbol of it or angle, in
other words, every one; it is different, in other words.
Mr. BALL. You have a punch there?
Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, sir; I have the punch right here.
Mr. BALL. Is that the punch that you used?
Mr. McWATTERS. That is the punch I used.
Mr. BALL. Will you punch a piece of paper and show us?
Mr. McWATTERS. In other words, that is the type of punch that this one
makes right here, in other words.
Mr. BALL. That is a different type of punch than any other driver has?
Mr. McWATTERS. Any driver, in other words.
Mr. BALL. On any bus in Dallas?
Mr. McWATTERS. In other words, the superintendent has a list, in other
words, it would be just like this and every man has a punch and he has
his name, and everything. In other words, if anyone calls in about
a transfer or anything, I mean brings one in he can look right down
the list by the punch mark and tell whose punch it is, and who it is
registered to.
Mr. BALL. Now, the sample of your punch there has been on a piece of
paper and we would like to have it marked as 372 at this time.
(The paper referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 372 and
received in evidence.)
Mr. BALL. If you punched, made a punch mark, on a transfer, did you
designate the time of the punch or the place of the punch?
Mr. McWATTERS. Yes, sir; I designate the time of the--we have one
general transfer point. In other words, Lamar Street is what we call
our general transfer point in which all transfers are cut within the
quarter of the hour in which you are supposed to be there.
In other words, if you was to arrive there at, say, 12:50 or in that
vicinity, you always give the passenger the 15 minutes, in other words,
within the hour of the transfer. In other words, is the way they have
you to cut your transfers across your cutter.
In other words, it is just a little thing that you raise up and down
and you can adjust them, and right here is a book of them in which you
can see the time. It is one, in other words, 2:15, 3:30, and 4:45, and
we set them in other words, if you wanted at 1:15, 1 o'clock would be
across this direction. If you wanted it 1:15 you would cut across this
direction or if you wanted it 1:45 you would cut it in this direction.
In other words, 1:15, -:30 and -:45. In other words, the 15 minutes is
always given at the time, at the general transfer point.
Representative FORD. It is 10:25 now. How would you cut it right now?
Mr. McWATTERS. At 10:25.
Representative FORD. Why don't you cut one?
Mr. McWATTERS. I have a regular cutter, you see; let's see if he can
get something that would--in other words, 10:25, I will just cut it, in
other words, cut across there, and cut it, in other words, at 10:30,
in other words, it would show at 10:30.
(At this point, Senator Cooper entered the hearing room.)
Representative FORD. Where do you put your own identification?
Mr. McWATTERS. On here. Well, if it is in the morning or in the
afternoon, here is your a.m., or your p.m. In other words, it is before
12:45, in other words, we consider up to 12:45 a.m., in other words,
that is the way they are.
In other words, I would punch it in the a.m. side of it, and if it
was in the afternoon, in other words, after that, it would be a p.m.
transfer, and whatever line that you are working has the name on it
right here.
In other words, at that time that transfer I had punched was punched a
p.m. Lakewood, in other words, because I was coming from the Lakewood
addition is the way that was punched on the transfer.
Mr. BALL. Well now, do you punch the transfer when the passenger asks
for it?
Mr. McWATTERS. No. No, sir; in other words, when you leave this, you
are inbound when you are going into town or when you are going, in
other words, out of town, in other words.
I was coming in, in other words, when I got in Lakewood Addition I set
my transfers for downtown.
Mr. BALL. For downtown and you set them for what time?
Mr. McWATTERS. I set them for 1 o'clock.
Mr. BALL. You set them for 1 o'clock?
Mr. McWATTERS. 1 o'clock.
Mr. BALL. When you reached your end of the run in northeast Dallas then
you set your transfers for 1 o'clock, did you?
Mr. McWATTERS. That is right, when I was coming back in.