Mr. BALL. I was using my hand.
Mr. FRAZIER. I know you were, but there are some different means to
measure it. I will say it varies, if you use a yardstick. You can go
and measure something with a tape measure, with a yardstick and come
up with a different measurement altogether, maybe a quarter of an inch
shorter or longer.
Mr. BALL. I was asked, there was some uncertainty in your testimony as
to the direction from which you heard the shots fired. Let's see if we
can illustrate it.
You heard the shots fired and you expressed an opinion that it came
from a certain direction. I would like to clear that up, if I could, on
this map.
Here is the Texas School Book Depository Building, and you were
standing right here, you said, weren't you? Can you tell me?
Mr. FRAZIER. You know the entrance there is not quite at that corner.
Mr. BALL. That close.
Now, you say you heard these three sounds which you later thought were
probably shots, you thought it came from a certain direction.
Can you tell us from what direction as illustrated on the map?
Mr. FRAZIER. Right. Now I say, you know where it is the straight curve
that goes under the underpass.
Mr. BALL. That is the parkway?
Mr. FRAZIER. Right. I say it runs over this parkway, you don't have it
on here--anyway, I say these railroad tracks there is a series of them
that come up over this, up over this overpass there, and from where I
was standing, I say, it is my true opinion, that is what I thought, it
sounded like it came from over there, in the railroad tracks.
Mr. BALL. That would be east and south?
Mr. FRAZIER. No; that would be west and south.
Mr. BALL. West and south?
Mr. FRAZIER. No; it would be north.
Mr. BALL. No; it wouldn't be north.
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes; it wouldn't be south because that is in that
direction.
Mr. BALL. This is north, and you say it, I believe, it came from north?
Mr. FRAZIER. It would be more or less west and north were these tracks
from this overpass.
Mr. BALL. Your direction was west and north as the source of the sound.
Well, take a look at the map that does show the overpass and you will
put a mark on that.
Did any other people who were standing there with you express any
opinion as to where they thought the sounds came from?
Mr. FRAZIER. Well, I say, after we found out it was shots I see some of
the other people around there said when they were staying there, said
that is what it was, downward right back from us, like where we were
standing. If we had been standing somewhere else you might have gotten
a different opinion, but from where we were standing on the steps there
it sounded like back down to the right.
Mr. BALL. Here is a Commission Exhibit, No. 347. It is an aerial
photograph, and it shows the Texas School Book Depository Building.
Mr. FRAZIER. Here is the Depository Building here.
Mr. BALL. That is right, sir. Here is the parkway.
Mr. FRAZIER. Right.
Mr. BALL. Here are the overpasses here.
Can you show us on that map where you think--will that map--can you
on that map indicate the general direction from which you thought the
sounds came from?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; because we were standing right here.
Mr. BALL. Don't mark it up right now.
Mr. FRAZIER. Right. But what I am trying to say is we were standing
down there, and back over here, this over here is more or less a
knoll, and you can look over there and see this. You see this furthest
left line that curved around here is the ones we take to come out on
Stemmons Expressway, and this is a high knoll up here which runs where
the tracks are, from standing there it sounded like it came from this
general area over here.
Mr. BALL. Just mark on that if you can, if you can mark a source.
Mr. FRAZIER. This is where it is.
Mr. BALL. Mark a circle.
Mr. FRAZIER. I would say just like over in here.
Mr. BALL. Let's make it a little heavier. In that general direction?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir. That was just part of the knoll.
Mr. BALL. The circle marked on No. 347, we will identify it with an
"F," the circle marked "F" represents the direction, general direction,
of a source of sound as you--as occurred to you as you stood on the
front steps of the Texas Book Depository Building, is that right?
Mr. FRAZIER. Right.
Mr. BALL. I have no further questions.
The CHAIRMAN. Anything from you, Senator?
Well, that will be all. Thank you very much for coming and testifying
before the Commission.
Mr. FRAZIER. Thank you, Mr. Warren.
The CHAIRMAN. All right, bring in the next witness.
The Commission will be in order.
Mrs. Randle, I will just read you a brief statement of the purpose of
our meeting today.
The purpose of today's hearing is to hear the testimony of Buell Wesley
Frazier and Linnie Mae Randle. The Commission has been advised that
these two witnesses have stated that they saw Lee Harvey Oswald on the
morning of November 22, 1963. The Commission proposes to ask these
witnesses questions concerning their knowledge of the assassination of
President Kennedy.
You have a copy of that, do you not?
Very well, Mr. Ball will conduct the examination.
Will you rise and be sworn, please?
Do you solemnly swear the testimony you give before this Commission
will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help
you God?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. Please be seated.
Mr. Ball?