Mr. SPECTER. So how many times did you notice him altogether?
Mr. ROWLAND. Several. I think I looked back about two, maybe three
times a minute, an average. I was, you know, trying to find the man
with the rifle to point him out to my wife. I noticed the colored man
in that window. I looked at practically every window in the building
but I didn't look at anything with the detail to see what I was looking
for.
Mr. SPECTER. Over how long a time span did you observe the Negro man to
be in the window marked "A"?
Mr. ROWLAND. He was there before I noticed the man with the rifle and
approximately 12:30 or when the motorcade was at Main and Ervay he was
gone when I looked back and I had looked up there about 30 seconds
before or a minute before.
Mr. SPECTER. How long after you heard the motorcade was at Main and
Ervay did the motorcade pass by where you were?
Mr. ROWLAND. Another 5 minutes.
Mr. SPECTER. So that you observed this colored man on the window you
have marked "A" within 5 minutes prior to the time the motorcade passed
in front of you?
Mr. ROWLAND. Approximately 5 minutes prior to the time the motorcade
came, he wasn't there. About 30 seconds or a minute prior to that time
he was there.
Mr. SPECTER. A few moments ago in your testimony you stated that in
observing policemen in the area you had observed some officers on the
overpass?
Mr. ROWLAND. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. Approximately how far were you from the overpass at that
time?
Mr. ROWLAND. 125 yards approximately.
Mr. SPECTER. Were you able to observe with clarity the individuals who
were standing on the overpass?
Mr. ROWLAND. Not with detailed distinction. I do remember there were
three women there, two or three men, a couple of boys, and two officers
on the overpass itself.
Mr. SPECTER. How did you identify the officers as being policemen?
Mr. ROWLAND. They were uniformed officers.
Mr. SPECTER. What kind of uniforms were they wearing?
Mr. ROWLAND. Blue; I think trimmed in gold, uniforms.
Mr. SPECTER. Are those the regular uniforms worn by the Dallas police?
Mr. ROWLAND. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. Where were you standing at the time you observed the
people on the overpass whom you have just described?