Mr. ROWLAND. The colored man was that----

Mr. SPECTER. So how many times did you notice him altogether?

Mr. ROWLAND. Several. I think I looked back about two, maybe three

times a minute, an average. I was, you know, trying to find the man

with the rifle to point him out to my wife. I noticed the colored man

in that window. I looked at practically every window in the building

but I didn't look at anything with the detail to see what I was looking

for.

Mr. SPECTER. Over how long a time span did you observe the Negro man to

be in the window marked "A"?

Mr. ROWLAND. He was there before I noticed the man with the rifle and

approximately 12:30 or when the motorcade was at Main and Ervay he was

gone when I looked back and I had looked up there about 30 seconds

before or a minute before.

Mr. SPECTER. How long after you heard the motorcade was at Main and

Ervay did the motorcade pass by where you were?

Mr. ROWLAND. Another 5 minutes.

Mr. SPECTER. So that you observed this colored man on the window you

have marked "A" within 5 minutes prior to the time the motorcade passed

in front of you?

Mr. ROWLAND. Approximately 5 minutes prior to the time the motorcade

came, he wasn't there. About 30 seconds or a minute prior to that time

he was there.

Mr. SPECTER. A few moments ago in your testimony you stated that in

observing policemen in the area you had observed some officers on the

overpass?

Mr. ROWLAND. Yes.

Mr. SPECTER. Approximately how far were you from the overpass at that

time?

Mr. ROWLAND. 125 yards approximately.

Mr. SPECTER. Were you able to observe with clarity the individuals who

were standing on the overpass?

Mr. ROWLAND. Not with detailed distinction. I do remember there were

three women there, two or three men, a couple of boys, and two officers

on the overpass itself.

Mr. SPECTER. How did you identify the officers as being policemen?

Mr. ROWLAND. They were uniformed officers.

Mr. SPECTER. What kind of uniforms were they wearing?

Mr. ROWLAND. Blue; I think trimmed in gold, uniforms.

Mr. SPECTER. Are those the regular uniforms worn by the Dallas police?

Mr. ROWLAND. Yes.

Mr. SPECTER. Where were you standing at the time you observed the

people on the overpass whom you have just described?

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