Mr. SPECTER. Do you recollect who it was who said "Where?"

Mr. JACKSON. Somebody in the car, I don't recall who.

Mr. SPECTER. Did anybody else in the car say anything else at that time?

Mr. JACKSON. Nothing that I could remember. I am sure they were all

talking.

Mr. SPECTER. Did you say anything else at about that time?

Mr. JACKSON. If I did, I don't remember.

Mr. SPECTER. Did anyone in the automobile state that he, too, had seen

the rifle from the window?

Mr. JACKSON. No, sir.

Mr. SPECTER. Did you have a conversation with all of the men in the car

immediately after the incident?

Mr. JACKSON. No, sir; because as, I guess after the third shot, I do

recall the driver speeding up, and we hesitated at the corner before

turning left, and three of the occupants of the car got out, jumped out.

Mr. SPECTER. Who were those three?

Mr. JACKSON. That was Underwood, Jim Underwood, Tom Dillard and one of

the TV cameramen. The WHAA channel 8 cameraman and I were left in the

back seat. We couldn't make up our minds.

Mr. SPECTER. Was there an individual in the car by the name of Mr.

Couch, to your knowledge?

Mr. JACKSON. Couch?

Mr. SPECTER. Yes, sir.

Mr. JACKSON. I don't know him.

Mr. SPECTER. Malcolm Couch?

Mr. JACKSON. The name is familiar. I might state what I did see as we

did hesitate there, at the corner, I don't recall whether this was

before the other three fellows got out of the car or not, I believe we

were still all in the car, as we observed these other things, but in

a fleeting glance as I saw the cars go under the underpass, I did see

people running. I saw a motorcycle policeman jump off his motorcycle,

in fact, he just hit the curb and just let it fall, and he went down on

his knees on the grass, on the lawn of that parkway.

I did see a family covering up their child, and I just saw a state of

confusion, people running, and that is about all I saw at that point of

the scene.

Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Jackson, at the time you heard the first shot, did you

have any reaction or impression from the sound itself as to the source

of the shot, point of origin?

Mr. JACKSON. No, sir; I didn't. It did sound like it came from ahead of

us or from that general vicinity but I could not tell whether it was

high up or on the ground.

Mr. SPECTER. When you say that general vicinity, what vicinity did you

mean?

Mr. JACKSON. We were sure it came from ahead of us which would be in a

northerly direction, northwesterly direction. It did sound as though it

came from somewhere around the head of the motorcade.

Mr. SPECTER. From the second shot, did you have any reaction or

impression as to the source of this shot?

Mr. JACKSON. No, sir. Through all three shots, I could just tell that

it was ahead of me and not behind me, that is it.

Mr. SPECTER. And the same impression then prevailed through the third

shot as well.

Mr. JACKSON. Yes, sir. To me it never sounded like it was high or low.

Mr. SPECTER. Have you had occasion since this incident to relate the

factual sequences, your observations and what you heard? Have you had

occasion to tell anybody about what you saw and heard as you have

described it to us?

Mr. JACKSON. Yes, sir.

Mr. SPECTER. Has there been any variation in your recollection or

impressions about your observations on these occasions?

Mr. JACKSON. Not to my knowledge. The other times were not as thorough

as this.

Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Chief Justice, those are all of the questions which I

have, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Congressman Ford, any questions you would like to ask Mr.

Jackson?

Representative FORD. Mr. Jackson, when and by whom were you questioned

or interrogated subsequent to the event? I was thinking of the FBI, the

Secret Service, or any investigative organization.

Mr. JACKSON. You say when, how soon afterwards?

Representative FORD. Right.

Mr. JACKSON. I would say within 2 days afterwards, let's see, the next

day was the first day.

Representative FORD. Saturday November 23?

Mr. JACKSON. Yes, sir; I believe it was the first time.

Representative FORD. Who, by name, if you can, but if not by what

organization?

Mr. JACKSON. The FBI called me, I believe it was Friday evening, and I

believe I did give some information on the phone Friday night.

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