Mr. SPECTER. The preceding Tuesday----

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. The preceding Tuesday before the 22d; yes, sir.

Mr. SPECTER. Now, outline in a general way Vice President Johnson's

activities on the morning of November 22d, before he arrived in Dallas,

if you would, please.

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. Well, our day began at the hotel in Fort Worth, where

we had stayed overnight. And that morning we went down to a mezzanine

floor where we met with President Kennedy and a group of White House

people. We went across from this hotel to a parking lot across the

street, and they had a speaker stand there, and they addressed an

assembled gathering.

Then they returned to the hotel, and there was a breakfast meeting in

the hotel. They attended that. And, after that, we formed a motorcade

and went to the field nearby in Fort Worth and boarded Air Force 2, and

flew into Dallas.

Mr. SPECTER. Approximately what time did the Vice Presidential plane

arrive in Dallas?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. About 11:35.

Mr. SPECTER. Now, will you tell the Commission in general terms what

Vice President Johnson did upon arrival at the Love Field?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. All right, sir.

This plane, Air Force 2, had on board the Vice President and Mrs.

Johnson and other officials. And we disembarked from the plane and were

met by a welcoming committee composed of local dignitaries. And then we

moved from that area where we disembarked over to the area of the ramp,

which would be pushed out when Air Force 1, the President's plane,

arrived. And when his plane did arrive, which was just a few minutes

after ours, roughly 10 minutes, we went out to the foot of the ramp and

Vice President Johnson and Mrs. Johnson headed the reception committee

to greet the people who came off of Air Force 1.

Mr. SPECTER. Approximately how long did the activities in greeting the

crowd and the general reception last at Love Field on that morning?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. Do you mean from the time we arrived on Air Force 2

until we left?

Mr. SPECTER. Yes.

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. I think it was about 15 minutes.

Mr. SPECTER. Now, in what position in the motorcade was Vice President

Johnson's automobile?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. We were following the Presidential followup car, and

the motorcade up to our point--there was a lead car, the President's

car, the Presidential followup car, and then our car.

Mr. SPECTER. Was there, to your knowledge, in advance of the lead car a

car known as the pilot car?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. Yes, sir; in all probability. This is a normal police

arrangement.

Mr. SPECTER. And would you identify the occupants of Vice President

Johnson's car, indicating the positions in the car of each individual?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. All right, sir. The driver of this car was Hurchel

Jacks, and he is with the State Highway Patrol. And behind him was

Senator Ralph Yarborough, from Texas. And in the middle back seat was

Mrs. Johnson. And on the right-hand side of the back seat, behind me,

was the Vice President. And I was in the front seat on the right-hand

side.

Mr. SPECTER. And what kind of an automobile was it?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. This was a Lincoln convertible, a four-door convertible.

Mr. SPECTER. Is this a specially constructed automobile, or was it

obtained locally for use during this trip?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. It was obtained locally for use during the trip.

Mr. SPECTER. And what car immediately followed the Vice President's

automobile?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. The Vice Presidential detail had a followup car which

followed our car.

Mr. SPECTER. What kind of an automobile was that?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. It was either a Lincoln or a Mercury, I don't know the

exact make. It was a Ford product, and it was a four-door car. But it

was closed.

Mr. SPECTER. Can you identify the occupants of that car, stating where

each sat?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. The front seat, the driver, I think his name is Rich.

He is always on the Texas Highway Patrol. In the front seat in the

middle is Cliff Carter. He is an assistant to the Vice President's

staff.

(At this point, Representative Boggs withdrew from the hearing room.)

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. On the right-front side was Jerry Kivett. He is one

of the agents on the Vice Presidential detail. And in the back seat,

behind the driver, was Warren Taylor, and in the back seat on the other

side was my agent, Lem Johns.

Mr. SPECTER. Do you know how many cars there were in the balance of the

motorcade?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. No, sir; I don't.

Mr. SPECTER. What was the maximum speed at which the motorcade

proceeded from Love Field down to the downtown area of Dallas?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. I doubt if the motorcade ever exceeded 20 miles or 25

miles an hour, and most of the time it was going slower than that.

Mr. SPECTER. What was the minimum speed, would you estimate, during

that time?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. We actually came to stops during this time.

Mr. SPECTER. How many stops?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. More than one. Two or more.

Mr. SPECTER. What occurred during the course of those stops, or what

prompted them?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. Well, these stops were made by the Presidential car

to greet well-wishers, students on one particular occasion, and other

groups of well-wishers, that were assembled along the streets.

Mr. SPECTER. Did Vice President Johnson greet anyone at those stops?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. He did greet them, but he didn't leave the car, I

think. He remained in the car. I got out of the car and stood by the

side of it on more than one occasion. He waved at people, and some did

run over, and I think he did touch some. But he didn't leave the car.

Mr. SPECTER. How far behind the President's followup car did the Vice

President's followup car drive?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. The Vice President's followup car?

Mr. SPECTER. Pardon me--the Vice President's automobile.

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. We usually stayed on motorcades like this about two or

three car lengths behind.

Mr. SPECTER. And did your distance on this occasion conform to your

customary practice of being that distance behind?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. Yes, sir.

Mr. SPECTER. And what is the reason, if any, for staying that distance

behind the President's followup car?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. Well, mainly so the crowd can see the Vice President,

and he can see them. If you are too close behind the Presidential

group, the crowd will be watching the President and will watch him

as he goes by, and then they will miss the next man. So it gives the

people a chance to recover and look back and see him, and they to see

each other.

Mr. SPECTER. I show you a photograph which has been marked as

Commission Exhibit No. 354, and ask you if you are able to identify

what that is a picture of.

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. Yes, sir.

Mr. SPECTER. And what does that depict?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. Well, it is a picture showing the main street, Houston

Street and Elm Street, and the assassination occurred on Elm Street.

Mr. SPECTER. Are you familiar at this time with the identities of Main,

Houston, and Elm?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. Yes, sir; when I have a map such as this ahead of me.

Mr. SPECTER. All right. How far behind the President's automobile was

the Vice President's automobile in which you were riding when the Vice

President's automobile turned right off of Main Street onto Houston?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. You ask again how far were we behind the President's

car? Did you mean, sir, how far were we behind the Presidential

followup car?

Mr. SPECTER. No; I meant the President's car on that occasion.

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. Well, we were a distance of about two car lengths

behind the followup car, and they were probably one car length behind

the Presidential car. But this would be a guess on my part.

Mr. SPECTER. What was the situation with respect to the crowd which was

lined up on Houston and Elm as you approached that intersection?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. On Houston Street, on the side where the tall building

is, the crowd was still somewhat continuous. On the side which is the

park side, the crowd was smaller. They did have some people there, but

it wasn't continuous in the same way it was on the building side.

Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate of the speed of the Vice

President's car as you proceeded down Houston Street toward Elm Street?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. Well, our speed, of course, was governed by the

vehicles in front of us, but I would say we had just made one turn, and

it was only a block there before we would make another turn. It was

approximately 10 miles an hour, between 10 and 15.

Mr. SPECTER. I show you a photograph which has been marked as

Commission Exhibit No. 348, and I ask you if you are now able to

identify what that building is?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. Yes, sir; I am now able to identify it.

Mr. SPECTER. What is that building, sir?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. That is the School Book Depository Building.

Mr. SPECTER. Where, as best you can recollect, was the Vice President's

car at the time the first shots were heard? And would you take

Commission Exhibit No. 354 and take the red pencil and mark as closely

as you can the exact position on Commission Exhibit 354 of the Vice

President's car with the capital letter "A" there?

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. At the time of the first shot, did you say?

Mr. SPECTER. Yes, sir.

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. It will be in this area here, I should think.

Mr. SPECTER. I want the Vice President's car at this time.

Mr. YOUNGBLOOD. Well, this is what I am attempting to locate. It would

be in the vicinity of this "X" right here, I do believe.

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