Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Chief Justice, may I ask one or two other questions?
The CHAIRMAN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. I have just noted that we have the report of the FBI which
bears Bureau file No. 105-S, as it appears here somewhat indistinct,
S-2555, "Report of Special Agent Robert P. Gemberling, dated December
10, 1963," and this refers, Mr. Greer, to an interview of you by
Special Agents Francis X. O'Neill, Jr., and James W. Sibert. There is
a report here of an interview of you and of Special Agent Kellerman,
and the date here is listed as November 22, 1963, and there is this
reference made in the report, and I will quote it verbatim:
"Greer stated that he first heard what he thought was possibly a
motorcycle backfire, and glanced around and noticed that the President
had evidently been hit. He thereafter got on the radio and communicated
with the other vehicles stating that they desired to get the President
to the hospital immediately."
Mr. GREER. I didn't go on the radio. It was Mr. Kellerman who done the
radio talking. I didn't. It is a misquote if I done it. I didn't get on
the radio. Mr. Kellerman did.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you ever make this statement, Mr. Greer, to Special
Agent O'Neill or Sibert?
Mr. GREER. Those two agents were in during the autopsy; those two
agents were in the autopsy room, with Mr. Kellerman and I, all night.
Mr. Sibert and O'Neill were both in the autopsy room with us during
that time, and the only time that any of us, either Mr. Kellerman or I,
we never left the room, one or the other. We went and got some coffee
and came right back, something like that, and the FBI did the same
thing. One of them left; the other stayed.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you now recollect whether or not you ever said to them
that you were the one who communicated on the radio with the other
vehicles?
Mr. GREER. No, sir; I know I never remember saying that to them because
I know I didn't do it. So that is how I know that I didn't say it,
because I know I didn't do it. Mr. Kellerman did.
Mr. SPECTER. And the first part refers to your noticing that the
President evidently had been hit. Did you ever----
Mr. GREER. I have no recollection of ever telling the agents that I
said that; no, sir. If I said it, I don't remember saying it. The
Governor was the person that I knew was--when we were first in trouble,
when I see the Governor.
Mr. SPECTER. To the best of your current recollection, did you notice
that the President had been hit?
Mr. GREER. No, sir; I didn't know how badly he was injured or anything
other than that. I didn't know.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you know at all, from the glance which you have
described that he had been hit or injured in any way?
Mr. GREER. I knew he was injured in some way, but I didn't know how bad
or what.
Mr. SPECTER. How did you know that?
Mr. GREER. If I remember now, I just don't remember how I knew, but
I knew we were in trouble. I knew that he was injured, but I can't
remember, recollect, just how I knew there were injuries in there. I
didn't know who all was hurt, even.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you able to recollect whether you saw the President
after the shots as you were proceeding toward Parkland Hospital?
Mr. GREER. No; I don't remember ever seeing him any more until I got to
the hospital, and he was lying across the seat, you know, and that is
the first I had seen of him.
Mr. SPECTER. Your best recollection is, then, that you had the
impression he was injured but you couldn't ascertain the source of that
information?
Mr. GREER. Right. I couldn't ascertain the source.
Representative FORD. Did you hear the President say anything after the
first shot?
Mr. GREER. No, sir; I never heard him say anything; never at any time
did I ever hear him say anything.
Representative BOGGS. Did Mrs. Kennedy say anything to you while you
were driving to the hospital?
Mr. GREER. No, sir; she didn't.
Representative BOGGS. Did Mrs. Connally say anything to you?
Mr. GREER. No. Mrs. Connally didn't say anything, either. There is
quite a little distance between the front and the back seat of that
car. As you know, it is 21 feet long, and you are quite a little bit
away, and there was the sirens were all going. The following car had a
siren wide--the big one on the fender was wide open. There wasn't much
chance for me to hear anything, and I was really occupied with getting
there just as fast as I could and not seeing that anything happened,
avoid an accident or anything like that.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you have a siren on your car?
Mr. GREER. I didn't have mine going. There is a siren on that car, but
I didn't even reach down to work it.
Representative BOGGS. There was another agent in the car with you?
Mr. GREER. Mr. Kellerman; yes, sir.
Representative BOGGS. And after the first shot, did he say to speed up
or what?
Mr. GREER. I believe it was at the second that he and I both
simultaneously--he said, "Get out of here fast," and I speeded up as
fast as I could then and as fast as the car would go.
The CHAIRMAN. If there are no further questions, thank you very much,
Mr. Greer.
Mr. GREER. Thank you, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. You may be excused.
Mr. GREER. Thank you, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. We will take a short recess.
(Short recess.)
The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Hill, come right in, sir. Would you raise your right
hand, please, and be sworn? Do you solemnly swear that the testimony
you give before this Commission will be the truth, the whole truth, and
nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Mr. HILL. I do.
The CHAIRMAN. Would you be seated, please, Mr. Hill?
Mr. HILL. Thank you, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Specter.